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Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - Tiger1983 - 11-14-2025 02:13 PM
The heavy burden of a 39% tariff severely harming the Swiss economy caused the Swiss government to reconsider their unfair trade practice with America.
In exchange for lowering the tariff to 15%, the “deal includes Swiss companies’ relocating manufacturing to the U.S., including in the pharmaceutical, gold smelting and other sectors. Companies would invest some $200 billion in the U.S. by the end of 2028, the Swiss government said. Switzerland will also lower import duties on a range of U.S. products, including industrial goods, fish and some agricultural imports.”
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/u-s-agrees-to-cut-switzerland-tariffs-to-15-in-trade-deal-8fbe15c2?mod=mhp
I admit I was highly skeptical of the way Trump employed tariffs, but it is working. Eventually the benefits will flow to the average American.
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA - stinkfist - 11-14-2025 02:15 PM
yo', SCOTUS ... are youse listenin'?! ...
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - stinkfist - 11-14-2025 02:19 PM
(11-14-2025 02:13 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: The heavy burden of a 39% tariff severely harming the Swiss economy caused the Swiss government to reconsider their unfair trade practice with America.
In exchange for lowering the tariff to 15%, the “deal includes Swiss companies’ relocating manufacturing to the U.S., including in the pharmaceutical, gold smelting and other sectors. Companies would invest some $200 billion in the U.S. by the end of 2028, the Swiss government said. Switzerland will also lower import duties on a range of U.S. products, including industrial goods, fish and some agricultural imports.”
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/u-s-agrees-to-cut-switzerland-tariffs-to-15-in-trade-deal-8fbe15c2?mod=mhp
I admit I was highly skeptical of the way Trump employed tariffs, but it is working. Eventually the benefits will flow to the average American.
when the USD is 'it's a glorious sword' (not be confused with an ol' sex partner in the moment), it would be foolish to give away an empire like the brits, Ja?!
it's a tactical tool to achieve best method in trade ... nothing more, nothing less...
the semantics being thrust upon the masses are nothing more than ECON-psycho-babble bs...
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - DaSaintFan - 11-14-2025 02:41 PM
Quote:I admit I was highly skeptical of the way Trump employed tariffs, but it is working. Eventually the benefits will flow to the average American.
PErsonally i had faith it was going to work, I just didn't think they'd work as quickly as they have.
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - Roxie - 11-14-2025 02:43 PM
(11-14-2025 02:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote: yo', SCOTUS ... are youse listenin'?! ...
They don't care. Was illegal for him to issue the tariffs.
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - stinkfist - 11-14-2025 02:48 PM
(11-14-2025 02:43 PM)Roxie Wrote:(11-14-2025 02:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote: yo', SCOTUS ... are youse listenin'?! ...
They don't care. Was illegal for him to issue the tariffs.
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - ballantyneapp - 11-14-2025 03:20 PM
(11-14-2025 02:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote: yo', SCOTUS ... are youse listenin'?! ...
We don’t, or shouldn’t give presidents power they aren’t given in the constitution because we perceive they can or might do something good with it.
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - Roxie - 11-14-2025 03:22 PM
(11-14-2025 03:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:(11-14-2025 02:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote: yo', SCOTUS ... are youse listenin'?! ...
We don’t, or shouldn’t give presidents power they aren’t given in the constitution because we perceive they can or might do something good with it.
Bingo, good luck trying to convince the numb nuts here.
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - GeminiCoog - 11-14-2025 03:23 PM
(11-14-2025 02:48 PM)stinkfist Wrote:(11-14-2025 02:43 PM)Roxie Wrote:(11-14-2025 02:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote: yo', SCOTUS ... are youse listenin'?! ...
They don't care. Was illegal for him to issue the tariffs.
lol Yep. Also, Congress ceded the presidency that power over two hundred years ago. it ain't illegal if Congress gave him that power.
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - Tiger1983 - 11-14-2025 03:49 PM
The Dem’s new found respect for separation of powers, states rights,, and the Constitution in general is one of the most hilarious and hypocritical reversals I have seen lately.
They are upset, for once, the tactics they have used for generations to run roughshod over objections to their policies have been turned against them.
I use to tend toward libertarian philosophy, but the COVID era convinced me Dem’s must be politically fought tooth and nail with unrelenting vigor using the same tools and weapons they train on conservatives.
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - DaSaintFan - 11-14-2025 04:01 PM
(11-14-2025 03:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:(11-14-2025 02:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote: yo', SCOTUS ... are youse listenin'?! ...
We don’t, or shouldn’t give presidents power they aren’t given in the constitution because we perceive they can or might do something good with it.
Again, Congress gave the Executive branch the ability to adjust tariffs while under FDR and later under JFK.
I hate using wikipedia, but i know this pointed me to the right site when I dug deeper:
Quote:The Act served as an institutional reform intended to authorize the president to negotiate with foreign nations to reduce tariffs in return for reciprocal reductions in tariffs in the United States up to 50%.[2]
Quote:The power to cut down expired in 1961, but in November, President Kennedy advocated a new tariff reduction negotiations, which would be called Kennedy Round, and in response, the new tariff reduction, the Trade Expansion Act of 1962,[18] was enacted, and the President was granted the power to reduce tariffs by June 30, 1967.
From then on, rounds and free trade area negotiations in GATT (later WTO) included the negotiating powers of non-tariff measures in the respective legislation, such as the Trade Act of 1974, was granted to the President, but the power to reduce tariffs was generally similar to the RTAA.
.. and Congress CAN step in to turn off a tariff if they choose to do so...
Quote:Another key feature of the RTAA was that if Congress wanted to repeal a tariff reduction, it would take a two-thirds supermajority. That means that the tariff would have to be especially onerous, and the Congress would have to be especially protectionist. Once enacted, tariff reductions tended to stick.[4]
The one argument you MIGHT make against the Tariffs is that Congress was expecting Tariffs to be reduced, not raised to 100% (as Trump has done), but the way the law is written, it does not say "reduce' but rather "adjust" tariffs. (i'd have to find the exact language again, but the tariffs could be changed up or down depending on how you read it).
The part where I thought Trump might have overstepped was going for 100% at times instead of the 50% (per the writings I read), my guess is Trump would say that the SC would say "if you give him the ability, you give him the full ability, not a hand-cuffed 50%".
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - ballantyneapp - 11-14-2025 04:07 PM
(11-14-2025 03:49 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: The Dem’s new found respect for separation of powers, states rights,, and the Constitution in general is one of the most hilarious and hypocritical reversals I have seen lately.
They are upset, for once, the tactics they have used for generations to run roughshod over objections to their policies have been turned against them.
I use to tend toward libertarian philosophy, but the COVID era convinced me Dem’s must be politically fought tooth and nail with unrelenting vigor using the same tools and weapons they train on conservatives.
so you never had the principle to begin with? Back in the before times, before 2016 when there was some level of common decency and ability to work together, we understood that the president can't actually do anything he wants and has separation of powers.
Here's what President Obama had to say vis a vis separation of powers:
Quote:One heckler complained of families being separated by existing immigration law, shouting "You have a power to stop all deportations”.
"Actually, I don't," Obama shot back. "That's why we're here. If in fact I could solve all these problems without passing laws in Congress, I would do so. But we are also a nation of laws. The easy way out is to yell and pretend like I can do something by violating our laws ... What I am proposing is the harder way ... to use our democratic process and lobbying to getting it done.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/25/obama-hecklers-confront-immigraiton-speech
of course obama was the only one to have common sense immigration reform. Not the gestapo or open borders or bowing to corporate interest.
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - stinkfist - 11-14-2025 04:24 PM
(11-14-2025 03:49 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: The Dem’s new found respect for separation of powers, states rights,, and the Constitution in general is one of the most hilarious and hypocritical reversals I have seen lately.
They are upset, for once, the tactics they have used for generations to run roughshod over objections to their policies have been turned against them.
I use to tend toward libertarian philosophy, but the COVID era convinced me Dem’s must be politically fought tooth and nail with unrelenting vigor using the same tools and weapons they train on conservatives.
I always knew you had it in ya (have accused you of pacifism in the past) ... we live in exponential times where circular logic has developed jagged edges and corners ... I hate it more than you do ... regardless, they beg for adapt or else ... in my world of 'care', that's all that should matter...
nuts loves a fight when req'd ... the ewes are gonna have to try take muh out bloodied ... it's that simple in my world...
@neverStartAlwaysFinish
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - stinkfist - 11-14-2025 04:33 PM
(11-14-2025 04:07 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote: of course obama was the only one to have common sense immigration reform.
bwahahahahahahaha...
the "deporter in chief", aka as dumbo ears or Zero, deported more than any other...
yo, cato, or should I say Kato Khan, chew on this, muh turbo luverrrrrrrrr...
https://www.cato.org/blog/deportation-rates-historical-perspective?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22458109145&gbraid=0AAAAADusmuc-oKhf2z_UKG5mv84H4kh-Z&gclid=CjwKCAiAw9vIBhBBEiwAraSATufOhYDRvbcHDI7ADrBK7p9V79fahqrTvKYD8AGrB41NHrVNIpnHkxoCw-wQAvD_BwE
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - Tiger1983 - 11-14-2025 04:48 PM
(11-14-2025 04:24 PM)stinkfist Wrote:(11-14-2025 03:49 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: The Dem’s new found respect for separation of powers, states rights,, and the Constitution in general is one of the most hilarious and hypocritical reversals I have seen lately.
They are upset, for once, the tactics they have used for generations to run roughshod over objections to their policies have been turned against them.
I use to tend toward libertarian philosophy, but the COVID era convinced me Dem’s must be politically fought tooth and nail with unrelenting vigor using the same tools and weapons they train on conservatives.
I always knew you had it in ya (have accused you of pacifism in the past) ... we live in exponential times where circular logic has developed jagged edges and corners ... I hate it more than you do ... regardless, they beg for adapt or else ... in my world of 'care', that's all that should matter...
nuts loves a fight when req'd ... the ewes are gonna have to try take muh out bloodied ... it's that simple in my world...
@neverStartAlwaysFinish
The final straw for me was during the Covid era banning outdoor group activities unless it was for a favored cause (eg BLM protests and riots). Either CV-19 is an existential threat to all population or all outside gatherings should have been allowe. Instead, the Dems played politics.
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - TigerBlue4Ever - 11-14-2025 07:19 PM
(11-14-2025 03:49 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: The Dem’s new found respect for separation of powers, states rights,, and the Constitution in general is one of the most hilarious and hypocritical reversals I have seen lately.
They are upset, for once, the tactics they have used for generations to run roughshod over objections to their policies have been turned against them.
I use to tend toward libertarian philosophy, but the COVID era convinced me Dem’s must be politically fought tooth and nail with unrelenting vigor using the same tools and weapons they train on conservatives.
RE: Swiss buckle under tariff - agree to invest in USA and lower barriers - TigerBlue4Ever - 11-14-2025 07:22 PM
These two are an example of the effects of years of educational propaganda slanted severely to the left. They have no original thoughts and can only spout talking points. They aren't worth engaging.