(11-08-2013 06:03 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:37 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  The ACC is looking like a bunch of asses to me. Sorry, but if a member does not want to be in your conference and you are not going to lose money or fall apart if they go, then let them leave already. If you are not going to lose money then an exit fee of $52 million is punitive. And if the conference could fall apart if you let members leave then you are just delaying the inevitable with punitive measures.

What university with options will want to join such a conference in the future if they think they could be treated the same way if later they want to leave?

Contrast that to the SEC where everyone wants to stay, is treated equally and is allowed to leave if they were to be so foolish.

The ACC is a loser conference.

Just my opinion.

I can think of 2 off the top of my head. Their initials are Notre Dame and the University of Louisville.

Cincinnati
UCONN
UCF
USF
Temple
Houston
SMU
WVU
ECU
Tulane
Memphis
Amongst countless others

(11-08-2013 05:47 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:07 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 02:51 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Oh, and if Maryland is by some chance not joining the B1G in 2014, then neither is Rutgers.

Hold up there Cowboy. RU is in regardless what happens with Maryland. That being said, Maryland is coming as well. The ACC can wave around a piece of paper, but it can't physically stop a school from leaving. At best the law suit continues, but the moves are all done deals.

Friggin auto correct.

I don't remember the exact math, but scheduling for 13 is supposedly a mess. I know equitable scheduling for 15 is damn near impossible, because that's why Louisville wasn't in the ACC this season. Basically, Rutgers' move to the B1G could definitely be in jeopardy without Maryland. Maybe UConn goes to the B1G instead?

Lastly, I think the implication here is that Maryland may be the one trying to stay. It wouldn't be the ACC trying to make them stay. Think about the leverage. The ACC says "you owe us money for leaving." Then Maryland says "well, maybe we'll just say." Then they ACC might be in the position of having to say "but we really want you to go." Then Maryland says "then why do we owe you damages for leaving?"

Maryland noticed an exit, the ACC took the notice. UL signed a legal agreement to join. All of that is OVER - there is nothing interesting going on - just a poorly informed reporter in Louisville

No disagreement here. I'm just offering a thought or two on the poker game aspects of the lawsuit. I know the actual moves are foregone legal conclusions. It's just a matter of calculating Maryland's price tag.

(11-09-2013 11:05 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:47 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:07 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 02:51 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Oh, and if Maryland is by some chance not joining the B1G in 2014, then neither is Rutgers.

Hold up there Cowboy. RU is in regardless what happens with Maryland. That being said, Maryland is coming as well. The ACC can wave around a piece of paper, but it can't physically stop a school from leaving. At best the law suit continues, but the moves are all done deals.

Friggin auto correct.

I don't remember the exact math, but scheduling for 13 is supposedly a mess. I know equitable scheduling for 15 is damn near impossible, because that's why Louisville wasn't in the ACC this season. Basically, Rutgers' move to the B1G could definitely be in jeopardy without Maryland. Maybe UConn goes to the B1G instead?

Lastly, I think the implication here is that Maryland may be the one trying to stay. It wouldn't be the ACC trying to make them stay. Think about the leverage. The ACC says "you owe us money for leaving." Then Maryland says "well, maybe we'll just say." Then they ACC might be in the position of having to say "but we really want you to go." Then Maryland says "then why do we owe you damages for leaving?"

Maryland noticed an exit, the ACC took the notice. UL signed a legal agreement to join. All of that is OVER - there is nothing interesting going on - just a poorly informed reporter in Louisville

No disagreement here. I'm just offering a thought or two on the poker game aspects of the lawsuit. I know the actual moves are foregone legal conclusions. It's just a matter of calculating Maryland's price tag.

Maryland's 10 NCAA units also stay with the ACC:

http://winthropintelligence.com/2013/04/...uts-after/

They are only worth about $2.4 million or so. The ACC will have about $31 million in withheld money from UM and the future 2.4 in NCAA units - say $33 million total.

The ACC has no legal authority to hold Maryland in the conference after June 30th, 2014, so no legal authority to hold their money. The ACC will not break the contract. However I commend to y'all to read the Winthrop article so that you can understand the nature of NCAA shares and why the ACC's exit is so constructed.

Duke and UNC are due about 65 shares each over the next 6 years or $16,200,000 or so million from the NCAA tournament. That means that the existence of a Duke can be expected to cost the ACC $2.7 million a year - forever given Duke's basketball record since the late 1930's (Duke was good before Coach K, good before UNC, good before NC State).

Basketball revenues are very important to the ACC, more so than to any other B-5 conference.

In the last expansion, the B10 schools will be losing NCAA basketball money on a per team basis as Rutgers and UM are averaging less than half a total unit per year this means that Rutgers and UM will be riding on Ohio State and Wisconsin earnings.

Syracuse, Louisville, ND, and Pitt are averaging almost 30 units a year meaning they will be adding $500,000 a year to each ACC school while Rutgers and UM will be taking about $300K or so from each B10 school.

Once you factor basketball into the financial equations, you can more readily see that while the ACC's exit formula might seem ill-fitting to Maryland or Wake Forest, it's really designed to cover the loss of a big NET-money generator - UNC, Duke, and FSU.

(11-09-2013 10:46 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 06:03 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:37 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  The ACC is looking like a bunch of asses to me. Sorry, but if a member does not want to be in your conference and you are not going to lose money or fall apart if they go, then let them leave already. If you are not going to lose money then an exit fee of $52 million is punitive. And if the conference could fall apart if you let members leave then you are just delaying the inevitable with punitive measures.

What university with options will want to join such a conference in the future if they think they could be treated the same way if later they want to leave?

Contrast that to the SEC where everyone wants to stay, is treated equally and is allowed to leave if they were to be so foolish.

The ACC is a loser conference.

Just my opinion.

I can think of 2 off the top of my head. Their initials are Notre Dame and the University of Louisville.

Cincinnati
UCONN
UCF
USF
Temple
Houston
SMU
WVU
ECU
Tulane
Memphis
Amongst countless others

None of those schools have other options...Read my words again.

(11-09-2013 01:18 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:46 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 06:03 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:37 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  The ACC is looking like a bunch of asses to me. Sorry, but if a member does not want to be in your conference and you are not going to lose money or fall apart if they go, then let them leave already. If you are not going to lose money then an exit fee of $52 million is punitive. And if the conference could fall apart if you let members leave then you are just delaying the inevitable with punitive measures.

What university with options will want to join such a conference in the future if they think they could be treated the same way if later they want to leave?

Contrast that to the SEC where everyone wants to stay, is treated equally and is allowed to leave if they were to be so foolish.

The ACC is a loser conference.

Just my opinion.

I can think of 2 off the top of my head. Their initials are Notre Dame and the University of Louisville.

Cincinnati
UCONN
UCF
USF
Temple
Houston
SMU
WVU
ECU
Tulane
Memphis
Amongst countless others

None of those schools have other options...Read my words again.

Notre Dame had options. Notre Dame also wanted the exit fee.

I guess we don't know until the ACC targets Michigan State. Maybe the ACC ought to target Michigan State - they are a good ND rival, they don't like Michigan. They have a good basketball program. Hmm. Lake Michigan and Lake Huron do drain into the Atlantic? Another stab into the heart of the B10?

Now, what B-5 universities have "OPTIONS"?

That statement seem funny to me.

As if the ACC, or SEC would add Minnesota or Purdue.

Would the SEC add Michigan or Wisconsin? Would the ACC add Iowa or Nebraska? Would the P12 add Alabama?

The ACC has 12 votes to admit Penn State, Michigan State, Indiana, Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas. The SEC probably has 11 votes to admit UNC, Duke, UVa, VT, NCSU, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Penn State, (you do know that central PA is just Alabama between Philly and Pittsburgh) and Kansas, and perhaps, perhaps Texas. The B10 has 11 votes to admit UNC, UVa, Kansas, and probably GT and perhaps Duke.

In that overlap you find the folks with "options". UNC and Texas and perhaps Penn State and UVa, are the only ones with a full set of so-called "options".

Let's look at this another way - which schools have severed their cultural ties to join another conference - not switched conferences, but severed cultural ties to switch? Let's go back to 1989.

1. Penn State - from independent to B10 - can an independent severe such ties - perhaps somewhat?
2. FSU - from independent to ACC - no ( in the footprint of the mother conference - the SOCon.
3. SC - from independent to SEC - no (SOCon footprint)
4. Arkansas - from SWC to SEC - yes from Texas world to the Southeast

5. Miami - from Big East to ACC - no (SOCon footprint - FSU partner)
6. VT - from Big East to ACC - no (SOCon footprint - original ACC/SoCon partner)
7. BC - from Big East - yes the second school to really make a cultural change from the Northeast to the Southeast

8. Nebraska - from B12 to B10 - yes the third school to make a cultural change.
9. Colorado - from B12- to P12 - yes the fourth school to make a cultural change.
10. Utah - from MW to P12 - yes fifth school to make such a cultural change
11. TAMU - from B12- to SEC - yes the fifth school to make a cultural change.
12. Mizzou - from B12 to SEC - yes

12. Pitt - from BE to ACC - yes
13. Syracuse from BE to ACC - yes
15. WVA from BE to B12 - yes

16. ND from Midwest independent to ACC - yes

17. MD from ACC to B10 - yes 10th such change.
18. Rutgers from BE to B10 - no, no choice.

19. Louisville from BE to ACC - no (inside SoCon footprint) and no choice

The four waves of realignment are:

1. Independents picking a conference home,
2. The ACC expanding into it's old Southern Conference footprint
3. Schools fleeing Texas
4. The ACC, B12 and B10 mopping up the remains of the Big East

I think if you look at all the moves, most moves are for positive reasons. There are moves for negative reasons and these are the ones that lead to the biggest cultural changes:

1. BC's move to the ACC was a big cultural move, but we know they wanted away from UConn and still despise UConn.
2. Nebraska, Colorado, TAMU, and Mizzou all wanted to move away from Texas.
3. WVa wanted desperately to get out of the Big East.
4. ND wanted desperately to be away from the BE and the B10.
5. Maryland wanted to leave the ACC.

Even if you go back into the 1950's when conferences were somewhat unstable, many moves were to leave others not join something. GT wanted to leave Alabama. South Carolina wanted away from UNC, NC State, and Duke. MD and Duke formed the ACC to get away from VT and West Va. The precursor to the P12 was in pure turmoil for most of the 50's and early 60's.

Anyway, the notion of "options" are mostly illusions except for a few geographically well placed and rich schools.

(11-09-2013 01:30 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:18 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:46 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 06:03 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:37 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  The ACC is looking like a bunch of asses to me. Sorry, but if a member does not want to be in your conference and you are not going to lose money or fall apart if they go, then let them leave already. If you are not going to lose money then an exit fee of $52 million is punitive. And if the conference could fall apart if you let members leave then you are just delaying the inevitable with punitive measures.

What university with options will want to join such a conference in the future if they think they could be treated the same way if later they want to leave?

Contrast that to the SEC where everyone wants to stay, is treated equally and is allowed to leave if they were to be so foolish.

The ACC is a loser conference.

Just my opinion.

I can think of 2 off the top of my head. Their initials are Notre Dame and the University of Louisville.

Cincinnati
UCONN
UCF
USF
Temple
Houston
SMU
WVU
ECU
Tulane
Memphis
Amongst countless others

None of those schools have other options...Read my words again.

Notre Dame had options. Notre Dame also wanted the exit fee.

I guess we don't know until the ACC targets Michigan State. Maybe the ACC ought to target Michigan State - they are a good ND rival, they don't like Michigan. They have a good basketball program. Hmm. Lake Michigan and Lake Huron do drain into the Atlantic? Another stab into the heart of the B10?

When was the first stab? No B1G has ever left.

(11-09-2013 08:31 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Sigh. Reading this thread as a lawyer is giving me the same feeling that I imagine doctors have when they see Jenny McCarthy claiming that she knows more about vaccines than the entire medical profession. There is ZERO chance that the schools don't move next year. ZERO. NOT EVEN A CONSIDERATION. COMPLETELY BASELESS.

Ramsey is just reflecting the legal posturing by the ACC. It will get settled in the end - it's simply that the parties won't ever give an inch publicly (which they shouldn't) until it's completed. Completely alarmist thread here. As someone else noted, a lawsuit didn't stop West Virginia leaving. Maryland might ultimately be forced to pay someone money to the ACC (likely less than the $52 million), but they're never playing another ACC game after this season.

Frank, in my post above (#73) I state that the Louisville President cannot really believe Maryland is not going to move to the B1G as scheduled, but that he still seemed awfully pessimistic in a public statement, which I deem unusual for a university president to say shortly before his university's athletic program finally reaches the mountain top.

Could there be another reason for his consternation?

(11-09-2013 02:09 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 08:31 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Sigh. Reading this thread as a lawyer is giving me the same feeling that I imagine doctors have when they see Jenny McCarthy claiming that she knows more about vaccines than the entire medical profession. There is ZERO chance that the schools don't move next year. ZERO. NOT EVEN A CONSIDERATION. COMPLETELY BASELESS.

Ramsey is just reflecting the legal posturing by the ACC. It will get settled in the end - it's simply that the parties won't ever give an inch publicly (which they shouldn't) until it's completed. Completely alarmist thread here. As someone else noted, a lawsuit didn't stop West Virginia leaving. Maryland might ultimately be forced to pay someone money to the ACC (likely less than the $52 million), but they're never playing another ACC game after this season.

Frank, in my post above (#73) I state that the Louisville President cannot really believe Maryland is not going to move to the B1G as scheduled, but that he still seemed awfully pessimistic in a public statement, which I deem unusual for a university president to say shortly before his university's athletic program finally reaches the mountain top.

Could there be another reason for his consternation?

His reason for playing dumb is that he wants to stay out of the litigation - the mark of a smart man with wise counsel.

Frank is totally correct, and the litigation and feelings are very, very bitter, because of how Loh handled things. As I have said before, it did not have to be this way.

What I am waiting to see is the first mention of Penn State.

(11-09-2013 02:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:30 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:18 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:46 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 06:03 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I can think of 2 off the top of my head. Their initials are Notre Dame and the University of Louisville.

Cincinnati
UCONN
UCF
USF
Temple
Houston
SMU
WVU
ECU
Tulane
Memphis
Amongst countless others

None of those schools have other options...Read my words again.

Notre Dame had options. Notre Dame also wanted the exit fee.

I guess we don't know until the ACC targets Michigan State. Maybe the ACC ought to target Michigan State - they are a good ND rival, they don't like Michigan. They have a good basketball program. Hmm. Lake Michigan and Lake Huron do drain into the Atlantic? Another stab into the heart of the B10?

When was the first stab? No B1G has ever left.

The B10 thought they had ND locked up, if not in the conference, bound to several of their schools. ND and Penn State are the reason the B10 went after UM and attempted to lure UVa and UNC. I'm big enough to admit we went after them first with ND.

What no one in the ACC expected was for UM's Loh to be a B10 mole.

The ACC's end game would have been something as follows:

Northern Division

Pod #1

ND
Penn State
Pitt
BC

Pod #2

Syracuse
MD
VT
UVa

Southern Division

Pod #3

UNC
NCSU
Duke
Wake

Pod #4

Clemson
FSU
GT
Miami

The football schedule would be 3, 2, 2, 1 - you play your pod mates, you split the other side of your division, then you rotate through the other division. Maryland really didn't want ND in the ACC and Maryland historically has opposed most expansions. They view themselves as the organizer of the ACC - and they were. There were decades of hard feelings. The prospect of being third wheel in the ACC north would have been anathema to Loh and so why help the ACC hurt his beloved B10.

Now, would the ACC have successfully turned PSU? We will never know. But you will have ND play for an ACC title if you can arrange the right core of games and limit the conference games to 8. (Anti-ND folks don't over-react)

(11-09-2013 02:17 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 02:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:30 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:18 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:46 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Cincinnati
UCONN
UCF
USF
Temple
Houston
SMU
WVU
ECU
Tulane
Memphis
Amongst countless others

None of those schools have other options...Read my words again.

Notre Dame had options. Notre Dame also wanted the exit fee.

I guess we don't know until the ACC targets Michigan State. Maybe the ACC ought to target Michigan State - they are a good ND rival, they don't like Michigan. They have a good basketball program. Hmm. Lake Michigan and Lake Huron do drain into the Atlantic? Another stab into the heart of the B10?

When was the first stab? No B1G has ever left.

The B10 thought they had ND locked up, if not in the conference, bound to several of their schools. ND and Penn State are the reason the B10 went after UM and attempted to lure UVa and UNC. I'm big enough to admit we went after them first with ND.

What no one in the ACC expected was for UM's Loh to be a B10 mole.

While the B1G would have liked ND, I don't know anyone that expected them to come.

(11-09-2013 02:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 02:17 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 02:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:30 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:18 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  None of those schools have other options...Read my words again.

Notre Dame had options. Notre Dame also wanted the exit fee.

I guess we don't know until the ACC targets Michigan State. Maybe the ACC ought to target Michigan State - they are a good ND rival, they don't like Michigan. They have a good basketball program. Hmm. Lake Michigan and Lake Huron do drain into the Atlantic? Another stab into the heart of the B10?

When was the first stab? No B1G has ever left.

The B10 thought they had ND locked up, if not in the conference, bound to several of their schools. ND and Penn State are the reason the B10 went after UM and attempted to lure UVa and UNC. I'm big enough to admit we went after them first with ND.

What no one in the ACC expected was for UM's Loh to be a B10 mole.

While the B1G would have liked ND, I don't know anyone that expected them to come.

The B10 has lost two football games a year with ND. Prior to joining the ACC you had three games a year with them, usually at a minimum. Any combination of MSU, Purdue, NW, Michigan, etc. The game was very, very important for Purdue. The ACC has effectively stolen this exposure - Maryland was the B10's natural retaliatory strike, especially if you assume the ACC is sniffing around PSU and you know PSU is unhappy.

Never forget, Delany and Swofford are both old UNC ballplayers - both live to get even.

(11-09-2013 02:17 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 02:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:30 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:18 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:46 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Cincinnati
UCONN
UCF
USF
Temple
Houston
SMU
WVU
ECU
Tulane
Memphis
Amongst countless others

None of those schools have other options...Read my words again.

Notre Dame had options. Notre Dame also wanted the exit fee.

I guess we don't know until the ACC targets Michigan State. Maybe the ACC ought to target Michigan State - they are a good ND rival, they don't like Michigan. They have a good basketball program. Hmm. Lake Michigan and Lake Huron do drain into the Atlantic? Another stab into the heart of the B10?

When was the first stab? No B1G has ever left.

The B10 thought they had ND locked up, if not in the conference, bound to several of their schools. ND and Penn State are the reason the B10 went after UM and attempted to lure UVa and UNC. I'm big enough to admit we went after them first with ND.

What no one in the ACC expected was for UM's Loh to be a B10 mole.

The ACC's end game would have been something as follows:

Northern Division

Pod #1

ND
Penn State
Pitt
BC

Pod #2

Syracuse
MD
VT
UVa

Southern Division

Pod #3

UNC
NCSU
Duke
Wake

Pod #4

Clemson
FSU
GT
Miami

The football schedule would be 3, 2, 2, 1 - you play your pod mates, you split the other side of your division, then you rotate through the other division. Maryland really didn't want ND in the ACC and Maryland historically has opposed most expansions. They view themselves as the organizer of the ACC - and they were. There were decades of hard feelings. The prospect of being third wheel in the ACC north would have been anathema to Loh and so why help the ACC hurt his beloved B10.

Now, would the ACC have successfully turned PSU? We will never know. But you will have ND play for an ACC title if you can arrange the right core of games and limit the conference games to 8. (Anti-ND folks don't over-react)

I'm still not seeing anything stabby here? Keeping the cultists from joining a league they were never going to join isn't, you know, a wound anything like one league stealing a founding member of another league. And of course giving the domers their preferred parasite status is self-inflicted stabby.

(11-09-2013 02:37 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Never forget, Delany and Swofford are both old UNC ballplayers - both live to get even.

Get.....even? The ACC steals from and Irsays another league FOR A DECADE and the tiniest bit of karma comes for the loathsome John Swofford and you are acting like he is the aggrieved party? GET EVEN?

Justin - in case you have forgotten, Maryland sports are essentially bankrupt and irrelevant.

(11-09-2013 03:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Justin - in case you have forgotten, Maryland sports are essentially bankrupt and irrelevant.

I agree? But I'm not sure how that fact addresses either of my posts.

(11-09-2013 02:35 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 02:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 02:17 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 02:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:30 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Notre Dame had options. Notre Dame also wanted the exit fee.

I guess we don't know until the ACC targets Michigan State. Maybe the ACC ought to target Michigan State - they are a good ND rival, they don't like Michigan. They have a good basketball program. Hmm. Lake Michigan and Lake Huron do drain into the Atlantic? Another stab into the heart of the B10?

When was the first stab? No B1G has ever left.

The B10 thought they had ND locked up, if not in the conference, bound to several of their schools. ND and Penn State are the reason the B10 went after UM and attempted to lure UVa and UNC. I'm big enough to admit we went after them first with ND.

What no one in the ACC expected was for UM's Loh to be a B10 mole.

While the B1G would have liked ND, I don't know anyone that expected them to come.

The B10 has lost two football games a year with ND. Prior to joining the ACC you had three games a year with them, usually at a minimum. Any combination of MSU, Purdue, NW, Michigan, etc. The game was very, very important for Purdue. The ACC has effectively stolen this exposure - Maryland was the B10's natural retaliatory strike, especially if you assume the ACC is sniffing around PSU and you know PSU is unhappy.

Yeaaahhhhh the B1G did not decide to lock up the NYC-DC corridor because they were mad about losing games with the cult.

Have Purdue and the cult even officially ended their series?

(11-09-2013 02:35 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 02:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 02:17 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 02:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:30 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Notre Dame had options. Notre Dame also wanted the exit fee.

I guess we don't know until the ACC targets Michigan State. Maybe the ACC ought to target Michigan State - they are a good ND rival, they don't like Michigan. They have a good basketball program. Hmm. Lake Michigan and Lake Huron do drain into the Atlantic? Another stab into the heart of the B10?

When was the first stab? No B1G has ever left.

The B10 thought they had ND locked up, if not in the conference, bound to several of their schools. ND and Penn State are the reason the B10 went after UM and attempted to lure UVa and UNC. I'm big enough to admit we went after them first with ND.

What no one in the ACC expected was for UM's Loh to be a B10 mole.

While the B1G would have liked ND, I don't know anyone that expected them to come.

The B10 has lost two football games a year with ND. Prior to joining the ACC you had three games a year with them, usually at a minimum. Any combination of MSU, Purdue, NW, Michigan, etc. The game was very, very important for Purdue. The ACC has effectively stolen this exposure - Maryland was the B10's natural retaliatory strike, especially if you assume the ACC is sniffing around PSU and you know PSU is unhappy.

Why would PSU leave now? After the B1G has dragged in Maryland and Rutgers pretty much just to make PSU happy?

(11-08-2013 05:10 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:07 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 02:51 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Oh, and if Maryland is by some chance not joining the B1G in 2014, then neither is Rutgers.

Hold up there Cowboy. RU is in regardless what happens with Maryland. That being said, Maryland is coming as well. The ACC can wave around a piece of paper, but it can't physically stop a school from leaving. At best the law suit continues, but the moves are all done deals.

Friggin auto correct.

I don't remember the exact math, but scheduling for 13 is supposedly a mess. I know equitable scheduling for 15 is damn near impossible, because that's why Louisville wasn't in the ACC this season. Basically, Rutgers' move to the B1G could definitely be in jeopardy without Maryland.

You can't have an odd number of teams in football and have a championship game.

Really? The MAC has been doing it for years.

(11-10-2013 01:12 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:10 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:07 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 05:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 02:51 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Oh, and if Maryland is by some chance not joining the B1G in 2014, then neither is Rutgers.

Hold up there Cowboy. RU is in regardless what happens with Maryland. That being said, Maryland is coming as well. The ACC can wave around a piece of paper, but it can't physically stop a school from leaving. At best the law suit continues, but the moves are all done deals.

Friggin auto correct.

I don't remember the exact math, but scheduling for 13 is supposedly a mess. I know equitable scheduling for 15 is damn near impossible, because that's why Louisville wasn't in the ACC this season. Basically, Rutgers' move to the B1G could definitely be in jeopardy without Maryland.

You can't have an odd number of teams in football and have a championship game.

Really? The MAC has been doing it for years.

MAC is violating an NCAA rule. This has already been mentioned a few posts back.