(10-23-2013 12:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 11:21 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 08:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Heck, of all the managers this post season- where would folks rate him?

again, i can't answer that. We don't have anywhere near enough data. Assuming full health, next year will be the first one in which he has his full team ready from the start.

I don't think he's going to be managing the Dodgers. Dodgers have to make a choice based on all the data and outside of 1 stretch he's been meh. I don't think the Dodgers want to do a long term deal for him quite frankly with all the data they have, and I don't think Mattingly wants to be back on a 1 year deal.

ok i feel like we're just spinning our wheels, but you say the manager was meh, I say the players were meh. Judging a manager based on not making the playoffs with those mediocre 2011/2012 rosters seems a little foolish.

otherwise I agree that he probably won't be back

(10-23-2013 11:56 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 06:17 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  Lincecum resigns with Giants for 2/35. Love the years, absolutely hate the amount. I realize i always say that in today's game it's not about the money and all about the years, but this is insane. $35 million for a guy who is barely a #4 starter. I think this is a combo of: A) Giants didn't like any of the available free agent starters B) They believe Timmy has a little bit of upside left C) Giants are freakin rolling in cash

Probably the right move for them, although the dollars do seem high for recent performance.

Is Zito finally finished with the Giants?

yup zito is gone. In a classy move, he recently took out a full page ad in the SF Chronicle thanking the fans for their support throughout his time with the organization. Unlike aaron rowand, zito was the picture of class for all 7 years. I can at least give him that

(10-23-2013 04:37 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 12:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 11:21 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 08:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Heck, of all the managers this post season- where would folks rate him?

again, i can't answer that. We don't have anywhere near enough data. Assuming full health, next year will be the first one in which he has his full team ready from the start.

I don't think he's going to be managing the Dodgers. Dodgers have to make a choice based on all the data and outside of 1 stretch he's been meh. I don't think the Dodgers want to do a long term deal for him quite frankly with all the data they have, and I don't think Mattingly wants to be back on a 1 year deal.

ok i feel like we're just spinning our wheels, but you say the manager was meh, I say the players were meh. Judging a manager based on not making the playoffs with those mediocre 2011/2012 rosters seems a little foolish.

otherwise I agree that he probably won't be back

it's not the last 2 years entirely- but even this year. I mean 20-20 after the 50 game stretch and then 5-5 in the playoffs. 25-25.

Last year- after the deal with the Red Sox- before the deal they were 10 games over .500. After the deal .500. went from being 2 games out to at most 11 games out...

I just am saying, there's enough red flags out there that I could easily see the Dodgers wanting to do a long term deal.

(10-23-2013 05:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 04:37 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 12:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 11:21 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 08:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Heck, of all the managers this post season- where would folks rate him?

again, i can't answer that. We don't have anywhere near enough data. Assuming full health, next year will be the first one in which he has his full team ready from the start.

I don't think he's going to be managing the Dodgers. Dodgers have to make a choice based on all the data and outside of 1 stretch he's been meh. I don't think the Dodgers want to do a long term deal for him quite frankly with all the data they have, and I don't think Mattingly wants to be back on a 1 year deal.

ok i feel like we're just spinning our wheels, but you say the manager was meh, I say the players were meh. Judging a manager based on not making the playoffs with those mediocre 2011/2012 rosters seems a little foolish.

otherwise I agree that he probably won't be back

it's not the last 2 years entirely- but even this year. I mean 20-20 after the 50 game stretch and then 5-5 in the playoffs. 25-25.

Last year- after the deal with the Red Sox- before the deal they were 10 games over .500. After the deal .500. went from being 2 games out to at most 11 games out...

I just am saying, there's enough red flags out there that I could easily see the Dodgers wanting to do a long term deal.

i can cherry pick mediocre streaks for any good team

While I could listen to a good Mattingly discussion forever , I'd love to read your speculation on where some of the top free agents might end up and why.

I'd like to see where you think Cano, McCann, Ellsbury, Granderson, Choo, etc. will play next season and why you think they are fits with their new teams (assuming they move on, which won't be the case for all).

(10-29-2013 11:35 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  While I could listen to a good Mattingly discussion forever , I'd love to read your speculation on where some of the top free agents might end up and why.

I'd like to see where you think Cano, McCann, Ellsbury, Granderson, Choo, etc. will play next season and why you think they are fits with their new teams (assuming they move on, which won't be the case for all).

Good question, i'll give it some thought

Don't be shocked if the Tigers make a trade in the off season. Scherzer might be the guy who gets traded. Especially with both his and Miggy's contract up at the end of next season. Plus the Tigers farm system is in desperate of some talent.


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(11-01-2013 02:04 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Don't be shocked if the Tigers make a trade in the off season. Scherzer might be the guy who gets traded. Especially with both his and Miggy's contract up at the end of next season. Plus the Tigers farm system is in desperate of some talent.


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Not to mention they have the potential albatross that is Fielder's contract.

Also, cabrera is signed thru 2015, not 2014

(11-01-2013 03:08 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 02:04 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Don't be shocked if the Tigers make a trade in the off season. Scherzer might be the guy who gets traded. Especially with both his and Miggy's contract up at the end of next season. Plus the Tigers farm system is in desperate of some talent.


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Not to mention they have the potential albatross that is Fielder's contract.

Also, cabrera is signed thru 2015, not 2014

For some reason I thought he was signed through next year.
I can't see the Tigers paying Verlander/ Fielder/ Cabera and Scherzer 200+ million dollars over long term deals.
No team is going to Fielder and his contract off the Tigers hands.

(11-01-2013 03:06 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 03:08 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 02:04 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Don't be shocked if the Tigers make a trade in the off season. Scherzer might be the guy who gets traded. Especially with both his and Miggy's contract up at the end of next season. Plus the Tigers farm system is in desperate of some talent.


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Not to mention they have the potential albatross that is Fielder's contract.

Also, cabrera is signed thru 2015, not 2014

For some reason I thought he was signed through next year.
I can't see the Tigers paying Verlander/ Fielder/ Cabera and Scherzer 200+ million dollars over long term deals.
No team is going to Fielder and his contract off the Tigers hands.

Honestly I think the biggest mistake they could make at this point would be resigning Cabrera. At the beginning of 2016 (which is when a new contract would begin) he'll be 33. At that point you have to imagine his fielding and baserunning will be even worse than they are. Would you want to give him a 5-7 year deal in which you'd probably only get decline years? Assuming they do sign him to a long term extension, it will mean their best 3 players will all be squarely in their decline years. That's not the way to build a team

Braves declined to tender Tim Hudson, but apparently made a much lower offer. He is 38, coming off an ankle injury that has healed (he just got screws out and should be throwing in a few weeks) and usually does well in 2nd half of seasons. There are supposed to be 8 or 9 teams lining up for his services. He is a Southern boy who lives just across the GA state border in Alabama. Braves have a good but young starting staff with no clear No 1, which their GM, Frank Wren, says he wouldn't mind acquiring if possible. Thoughts?

(11-09-2013 07:27 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Braves declined to tender Tim Hudson, but apparently made a much lower offer. He is 38, coming off an ankle injury that has healed (he just got screws out and should be throwing in a few weeks) and usually does well in 2nd half of seasons. There are supposed to be 8 or 9 teams lining up for his services. He is a Southern boy who lives just across the GA state border in Alabama. Braves have a good but young starting staff with no clear No 1, which their GM, Frank Wren, says he wouldn't mind acquiring if possible. Thoughts?

Starting to wonder if it's necessary. Are any of the Red Sox starters clear #1's? Giants didn't have a clear #1 last season. It certainly helps tho

(11-10-2013 02:15 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:27 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Braves declined to tender Tim Hudson, but apparently made a much lower offer. He is 38, coming off an ankle injury that has healed (he just got screws out and should be throwing in a few weeks) and usually does well in 2nd half of seasons. There are supposed to be 8 or 9 teams lining up for his services. He is a Southern boy who lives just across the GA state border in Alabama. Braves have a good but young starting staff with no clear No 1, which their GM, Frank Wren, says he wouldn't mind acquiring if possible. Thoughts?

Starting to wonder if it's necessary. Are any of the Red Sox starters clear #1's? Giants didn't have a clear #1 last season. It certainly helps tho

I'd say Matt Cain was a pretty clear #1 in '12. 16-5 2.79 ERA 1.040 WHIP in 32 starts. started games 1/5 LDS, 3/7 in LCS, and 4 of the WS. That's pretty much clear #1 category(not sure why he started 4 in WS instead of 3- though I think he starts game 7 regardless).

(11-10-2013 03:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 02:15 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:27 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Braves declined to tender Tim Hudson, but apparently made a much lower offer. He is 38, coming off an ankle injury that has healed (he just got screws out and should be throwing in a few weeks) and usually does well in 2nd half of seasons. There are supposed to be 8 or 9 teams lining up for his services. He is a Southern boy who lives just across the GA state border in Alabama. Braves have a good but young starting staff with no clear No 1, which their GM, Frank Wren, says he wouldn't mind acquiring if possible. Thoughts?

Starting to wonder if it's necessary. Are any of the Red Sox starters clear #1's? Giants didn't have a clear #1 last season. It certainly helps tho

I'd say Matt Cain was a pretty clear #1 in '12. 16-5 2.79 ERA 1.040 WHIP in 32 starts. started games 1/5 LDS, 3/7 in LCS, and 4 of the WS. That's pretty much clear #1 category(not sure why he started 4 in WS instead of 3- though I think he starts game 7 regardless).

it's more where he was at that point in the season. He had basically died down the stretch and didn't pitch well against the Reds or Cards. Or should I say, wasn't his usual self.

Well, Gints got themselves a 2 year, $23 million, no trade on Hudson. A bit pricey, but they'll have a good rotation.[/font]

(11-19-2013 01:07 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Well, Gints got themselves a 2 year, $23 million, no trade on Hudson. A bit pricey, but they'll have a good rotation.[/font]

I think we need to remember that the salaries of the early part of the century are gone. $11.5 million per year is not that much anymore. Crazy, but it's the reality. Anyway, Sabean realizes we have a ton of young pitching on the march and set to arrive in a couple years (maybe Escobar will arrive sooner), and we just need to bridge the gap. Two year deals are perfect. I'm pleased with this signing.

(11-19-2013 04:13 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:07 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Well, Gints got themselves a 2 year, $23 million, no trade on Hudson. A bit pricey, but they'll have a good rotation.[/font]

I think we need to remember that the salaries of the early part of the century are gone. $11.5 million per year is not that much anymore. Crazy, but it's the reality. Anyway, Sabean realizes we have a ton of young pitching on the march and set to arrive in a couple years (maybe Escobar will arrive sooner), and we just need to bridge the gap. Two year deals are perfect. I'm pleased with this signing.

2 years not too bad for him, I guess. If it was 3 then I'd be more concerned.
Braves were right to let him go without much of a fight, still.

(11-25-2013 03:27 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 04:13 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:07 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Well, Gints got themselves a 2 year, $23 million, no trade on Hudson. A bit pricey, but they'll have a good rotation.[/font]

I think we need to remember that the salaries of the early part of the century are gone. $11.5 million per year is not that much anymore. Crazy, but it's the reality. Anyway, Sabean realizes we have a ton of young pitching on the march and set to arrive in a couple years (maybe Escobar will arrive sooner), and we just need to bridge the gap. Two year deals are perfect. I'm pleased with this signing.

2 years not too bad for him, I guess. If it was 3 then I'd be more concerned.
Braves were right to let him go without much of a fight, still.

yeah the Braves didn't need to bring him back at that money. It's different for the Giants; their payroll is a lot higher. No need for the Braves to spend that kind of money on an old SP

(11-01-2013 02:04 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Don't be shocked if the Tigers make a trade in the off season. Scherzer might be the guy who gets traded. Especially with both his and Miggy's contract up at the end of next season. Plus the Tigers farm system is in desperate of some talent.


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You were right, but the person traded, I would have never guessed it in a million years.

I didn't think anyone would take Fielder's bloated contract.

I think the trade for Kinsler could be good for both teams though....

Fielder will definitely hit in Texas. Short porch in right and the ball absolutely flies out there.

Kinsler fills the void left by Infante, allows Cabrera to move back to first, allows Castellanos to move back to 3rd and frees up $76M to re-sign Scherzer.

Loving the Nats trade picking up Doug Fister from the Tigers. A Huge upgrade from Dan Haren- and at a pretty small cost(Steve Lombardozzi and Ian Krol- and a prospect). Should do well with the Nats I think.