(10-21-2013 04:26 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The gunman was around 13. Very disturbing.

Wanna make any bets that it was due in part to Call of Duty? Isn't the age rating for that game like 15 or 18? I mean, there IS a reason it's not 13.

When things like this happen, a question that always comes to mind is "Where is that boy's daddy?"

(10-21-2013 04:36 PM)Smaug Wrote:  When things like this happen, a question that always comes to mind is "Where is that boy's daddy?"

there are no more fathers, only single mothers

Didn't he know it is illegal for a minor to possess a firearm? Or buy one? Or carry one onto a public school?

Ohhhhhhh that's right criminals don't follow laws.

(10-21-2013 07:14 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 04:36 PM)Smaug Wrote:  When things like this happen, a question that always comes to mind is "Where is that boy's daddy?"

there are no more fathers, only single mothers

That is a huge part of our societal ills. And it isn't easy to fix.


The drug war is part of it. Most families having to have both parents work full time to get by is part of it. The welfare system rewarding child birth heavily is part of it. The tax code rewarding child birth heavily is part of it. Poor sex education is part of it.

Can anyone here say that there wasn't at least one kid that you kept an eye on growing up? This being portrayed as something new is a Con that you (and America) falls for over-and-over-and-over.

Suckers. If the 2nd amendment falls, game over. Stop trying to take it.

(10-21-2013 04:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 04:26 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The gunman was around 13. Very disturbing.

Wanna make any bets that it was due in part to Call of Duty? Isn't the age rating for that game like 15 or 18? I mean, there IS a reason it's not 13.

I've studied this subject in detail in the past. Violent video games do not lead to future aggressive behaviors.

On a funny note, a prominent lawyer ended up getting disbarred as a result of his crusade against violent view games.

(10-21-2013 07:18 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 07:14 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 04:36 PM)Smaug Wrote:  When things like this happen, a question that always comes to mind is "Where is that boy's daddy?"

there are no more fathers, only single mothers

That is a huge part of our societal ills. And it isn't easy to fix.


The drug war is part of it. Most families having to have both parents work full time to get by is part of it. The welfare system rewarding child birth heavily is part of it. The tax code rewarding child birth heavily is part of it. Poor sex education is part of it.

You can start fix it by saying no social services for "baby daddies"... If you father a child out of wedlock there is no food stamps, welfare, Obama Phones, ACA help, .....

Make it painful to breed without trying to do the right thing and maybe some will start to do the right thing..

The sad thing is this kid felt that this was the response of choice to his problems. It's symptomatic of a major social problem in my opinion.

(10-21-2013 08:34 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The sad thing is this kid felt that this was the response of choice to his problems. It's symptomatic of a major social problem in my opinion.

I don't agree. Sprees are incredibly rare in the first place, and the amount of sprees occurring has been decreasing, not increasing.

When I was in my 20's, stories like this would stay in my mind for about 15 seconds, then I forgot about them and went on to the next thing that I was doing. Now that I'm in my 50's, stories like this stay with me for days. That boy was must have been tormented somehow and he was only 13. I can't imagine the pain his parents must be experiencing. And the family of that math teacher has to be devastated.

Just awful.

(10-21-2013 10:19 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  When I was in my 20's, stories like this would stay in my mind for about 15 seconds, then I forgot about them and went on to the next thing that I was doing. Now that I'm in my 50's, stories like this stay with me for days. That boy was must have been tormented somehow and he was only 13. I can't imagine the pain his parents must be experiencing. And the family of that math teacher has to be devastated.

Just awful.

I bet he was "bullied".

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When did kids become such *******? Wahn wahn I am being bullied Wahn!!!!!!

(10-21-2013 07:53 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 04:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 04:26 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The gunman was around 13. Very disturbing.

Wanna make any bets that it was due in part to Call of Duty? Isn't the age rating for that game like 15 or 18? I mean, there IS a reason it's not 13.

I've studied this subject in detail in the past. Violent video games do not lead to future aggressive behaviors.

On a funny note, a prominent lawyer ended up getting disbarred as a result of his crusade against violent view games.

Maybe, but I bet it still becomes part of this story.

(10-22-2013 06:36 AM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  When did kids become such *******? Wahn wahn I am being bullied Wahn!!!!!!

Say that, with a straight face, to the family of the girl who took her life in florida because of bullying.

(10-21-2013 12:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 12:12 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Any word on whether it was an adult or a fellow student?

I can't find anything, it just says two boys are in critical condition. This is horrible and becoming far too common. I have 3 boys in one Elementary school and another in the middle school just around the corner and I always think about how their lives are still so young and all they really care about currently is coming home and either shooting targets with their BB guns, playing Mario on the Nintendo, or running around in the yard. So full of life and energy that it seems nothing can stop them, and then you hear how two students were stopped in their tracks and/or killed by some maniacal lunatic who decides to shoot at the kids who are nothing more than ducks in a barrel to them. I was sick to my stomach after the Sandyhook shooting, and now again.

There are far bigger risks and challenges facing your kids. Drugs, gangs, self-esteem, etc. Comments from the families of kids just entering high school (local magnate school, which continues to strike me as a horribly failed experiment in social engineering) are that grandmothers bring babies to lunch in the cafeteria, and some girls view getting pregnant as a sign of pride.

I'm not sure if it's statewide or local, but they purposely take gifted students here, bus them to some of the worst neighborhoods, and create a school that's something like 60/40 gifted vs. neighborhood kids. It works ok for elementary, but it's a disaster at the middle and high school level, fostering resentment among 100% of students, and putting systematic segregation (though not entirely based on either race or class) on display for all of them.

(10-22-2013 11:32 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 12:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 12:12 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Any word on whether it was an adult or a fellow student?

I can't find anything, it just says two boys are in critical condition. This is horrible and becoming far too common. I have 3 boys in one Elementary school and another in the middle school just around the corner and I always think about how their lives are still so young and all they really care about currently is coming home and either shooting targets with their BB guns, playing Mario on the Nintendo, or running around in the yard. So full of life and energy that it seems nothing can stop them, and then you hear how two students were stopped in their tracks and/or killed by some maniacal lunatic who decides to shoot at the kids who are nothing more than ducks in a barrel to them. I was sick to my stomach after the Sandyhook shooting, and now again.

There are far bigger risks and challenges facing your kids. Drugs, gangs, self-esteem, etc. Comments from the families of kids just entering high school (local magnate school, which continues to strike me as a horribly failed experiment in social engineering) are that grandmothers bring babies to lunch in the cafeteria, and some girls view getting pregnant as a sign of pride.

I'm not sure if it's statewide or local, but they purposely take gifted students here, bus them to some of the worst neighborhoods, and create a school that's something like 60/40 gifted vs. neighborhood kids. It works ok for elementary, but it's a disaster at the middle and high school level, fostering resentment among 100% of students, and putting systematic segregation (though not entirely based on either race or class) on display for all of them.

It works pretty well here. My son is actually zoned for one of the best elementary schools in the state, which is a magnate program. The middle school magnate program we want him at is in the ghetto, worst part of Newport News. It is difficult to get into and has a lottery (even if you have the brains you have a low chance of getting in). If he doesn't get in there, we are looking at about $20k a year in private school (plus inflation).

(10-22-2013 11:32 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 12:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 12:12 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Any word on whether it was an adult or a fellow student?

I can't find anything, it just says two boys are in critical condition. This is horrible and becoming far too common. I have 3 boys in one Elementary school and another in the middle school just around the corner and I always think about how their lives are still so young and all they really care about currently is coming home and either shooting targets with their BB guns, playing Mario on the Nintendo, or running around in the yard. So full of life and energy that it seems nothing can stop them, and then you hear how two students were stopped in their tracks and/or killed by some maniacal lunatic who decides to shoot at the kids who are nothing more than ducks in a barrel to them. I was sick to my stomach after the Sandyhook shooting, and now again.

There are far bigger risks and challenges facing your kids. Drugs, gangs, self-esteem, etc. Comments from the families of kids just entering high school (local magnate school, which continues to strike me as a horribly failed experiment in social engineering) are that grandmothers bring babies to lunch in the cafeteria, and some girls view getting pregnant as a sign of pride.

I'm not sure if it's statewide or local, but they purposely take gifted students here, bus them to some of the worst neighborhoods, and create a school that's something like 60/40 gifted vs. neighborhood kids. It works ok for elementary, but it's a disaster at the middle and high school level, fostering resentment among 100% of students, and putting systematic segregation (though not entirely based on either race or class) on display for all of them.

I slowly work them into knowing the other dangers, but someone opening fire for absolutely no reason is an absolute horror to think about.

(10-22-2013 06:36 AM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  When did kids become such *******? Wahn wahn I am being bullied Wahn!!!!!!

Since liberals have really ramped up their "you're a victim" campaign.

That usually happens when we elect Democrats. The 90s were another violent era fueled by the left's glorification of victims and social struggle.

I'm waiting for the day when the majority of voters can make the connection.

I still think there is something more sinister going on with these shootings.

(10-22-2013 12:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 06:36 AM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  When did kids become such *******? Wahn wahn I am being bullied Wahn!!!!!!

Since liberals have really ramped up their "you're a victim" campaign.

That usually happens when we elect Democrats. The 90s were another violent era fueled by the left's glorification of victims and social struggle.

I'm waiting for the day when the majority of voters can make the connection.

I still think there is something more sinister going on with these shootings.

They claim you're just a conspiracy theorist, but I've had my ideas about it as well. Either that or they sit around like hawks awaiting the next shooting crime so they can use it for their agenda, not giving a f*ck about the families who lost people they love.