This is beyond belief.



Several dozen U.S. Army active duty and reserve troops were told last week that the American Family Association, a well-respected Christian ministry, should be classified as a domestic hate group because the group advocates for traditional family values.

The briefing was held at Camp Shelby in Mississippi and listed the AFA alongside domestic hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis, the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam.

A soldier who attended the briefing contacted me and sent me a photograph of a slide show presentation that listed AFA as a domestic hate group. Under the AFA headline is a photograph of Westboro Baptist Church preacher Fred Phelps holding a sign reading “No special law for f***.”

American Family Association has absolutely no affiliation with the controversial church group known for picketing the funerals of American service members.

“I had to show Americans what our soldiers are now being taught,” said the soldier who asked not to be identified. “I couldn’t just let this one pass.”

The soldier said a chaplain interrupted the briefing and challenged the instructor’s assertion that AFA is a hate group.

“The instructor said AFA could be considered a hate group because they don’t like gays,” the soldier told me. “The slide was talking about how AFA refers to gays as sinners and heathens and derogatory terms.”

The soldier, who is an evangelical Christian, said the chaplain defended the Christian ministry.

“He kept asking the instructor, ‘Are you sure about that, son? Are you sure about that?’” he said, recalling the back and forth.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/10/14/exc...hate-group

F-ing pathetic

Dang, I grew up as a member of a hate group. Go figure.

Um, wow. That's f'ing crazy.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016 now Free

Fulfilling Biblical prophecy concerning the end time persecution of Gods elect.

Scratch that. My speed reading didn't detect a particular organization. Did not grow up as a member of
a hate group. Guess I can still fly.

about damn time somebody does something about these hate groups.... Good Job Obama!

(10-14-2013 02:25 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  about damn time somebody does something about these hate groups.... Good Job Obama!

Clearly Obama's time spent at Trinity United Church of Christ was undercover research.

Calling the AFA "well-respected" is a bit of a stretch. There is no reason, however, to classify them with terrorist organizations.

It looks like the Army got the list from the SPLC, which in turn quotes the AFA. Quotes like this are of Fred Phelps-esque proportions. It's pretty absurd to blame the murder of six million Jews on homosexuals in the face of centuries of persecution of Jews at the hands of Christians in Eastern Europe, especially since Hitler's anti-semitism - by most accounts - was ensconced by the Christian Social Party in Austria and mayor Karl Lueger.

American Family Association | Southern Poverty Law Center

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/in...ssociation Wrote:"Homosexuality gave us Adolph Hitler, and homosexuals in the military gave us the Brown Shirts, the Nazi war machine and six million dead Jews."
– Bryan Fischer, AFA director of issue analysis for government and public policy, 2010

Now, and Mr. Fischer limited his remarks to 80s music, I'd have found some agreement with him.

(10-14-2013 03:35 PM)I45owl Wrote:  It looks like the Army got the list from the SPLC, which in turn quotes the AFA. Quotes like this are of Fred Phelps-esque proportions. It's pretty absurd to blame the murder of six million Jews on homosexuals in the face of centuries of persecution of Jews at the hands of Christians in Eastern Europe, especially since Hitler's anti-semitism - by most accounts - was ensconced by the Christian Social Party in Austria and mayor Karl Lueger.

American Family Association | Southern Poverty Law Center

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/in...ssociation Wrote:"Homosexuality gave us Adolph Hitler, and homosexuals in the military gave us the Brown Shirts, the Nazi war machine and six million dead Jews."
– Bryan Fischer, AFA director of issue analysis for government and public policy, 2010

Now, and Mr. Fischer limited his remarks to 80s music, I'd have found some agreement with him.

Yeah, that's pretty bad.

Quick question, who here who expressed immediate outrage actually looked into this organization or just assumed the article was factual because it was what you already assume is occurring?

(10-14-2013 03:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 03:35 PM)I45owl Wrote:  It looks like the Army got the list from the SPLC, which in turn quotes the AFA. Quotes like this are of Fred Phelps-esque proportions. It's pretty absurd to blame the murder of six million Jews on homosexuals in the face of centuries of persecution of Jews at the hands of Christians in Eastern Europe, especially since Hitler's anti-semitism - by most accounts - was ensconced by the Christian Social Party in Austria and mayor Karl Lueger.

American Family Association | Southern Poverty Law Center

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/in...ssociation Wrote:"Homosexuality gave us Adolph Hitler, and homosexuals in the military gave us the Brown Shirts, the Nazi war machine and six million dead Jews."
– Bryan Fischer, AFA director of issue analysis for government and public policy, 2010

Now, and Mr. Fischer limited his remarks to 80s music, I'd have found some agreement with him.

Yeah, that's pretty bad.

Quick question, who here who expressed immediate outrage actually looked into this organization or just assumed the article was factual because it was what you already assume is occurring?

AFA is hardly an unkown organization.

Maybe it is for far leftists though.

“The instructor said AFA could be considered a hate group because they don’t like gays,” the soldier told me. “The slide was talking about how AFA refers to gays as sinners and heathens and derogatory terms.”

Government can pass laws, but that does not change peoples beliefs.
Not just a right of worship but also of individual liberties to believe what you will.
With the attacks against the country, why didn't they do the same with Islamists then.

And you're just taking the word of the soldiers and what their instructor 'supposedly' said?

True, but do they really have a reason to lie?
Well maybe, but it sounds like some crap that would be done.

Context really means everything in a case like this. If they're saying, be prepared to act against one of these domestic hate groups, then I think that's a pretty severe overreach. If they're saying that you need to vet personnel in high profile positions to make sure they're not involved in an organization that could be construed as a hate group, then they may have a case, but you'd have to see that case argued on its merits.

(10-14-2013 04:22 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  True, but do they really have a reason to lie?
Well maybe, but it sounds like some crap that would be done.

Well, yeah, that's precisely the problem with this messageboard in a nutshell. You all expect liberals to do the most absurd actions, support the most idiotic policies, and fit every negative stereotype that is used to portray them in right-wing media. Just like it's idiotic to think all of conservative are science illiterate, women hating, racist gay bashers, the same is true about liberals.

(10-14-2013 03:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 03:35 PM)I45owl Wrote:  It looks like the Army got the list from the SPLC, which in turn quotes the AFA. Quotes like this are of Fred Phelps-esque proportions. It's pretty absurd to blame the murder of six million Jews on homosexuals in the face of centuries of persecution of Jews at the hands of Christians in Eastern Europe, especially since Hitler's anti-semitism - by most accounts - was ensconced by the Christian Social Party in Austria and mayor Karl Lueger.

American Family Association | Southern Poverty Law Center

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/in...ssociation Wrote:"Homosexuality gave us Adolph Hitler, and homosexuals in the military gave us the Brown Shirts, the Nazi war machine and six million dead Jews."
– Bryan Fischer, AFA director of issue analysis for government and public policy, 2010

Now, and Mr. Fischer limited his remarks to 80s music, I'd have found some agreement with him.

Yeah, that's pretty bad.

Quick question, who here who expressed immediate outrage actually looked into this organization or just assumed the article was factual because it was what you already assume is occurring?

My problem is with why OUR military is being told what a hate group is in the first place.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016 now Free

Quote:"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

In fairness UCF. Obama is not the duly elected constitutional President. He was born in Kenya. That makes him in eligible. I read about on here for two years.