The liberal mind
http://downtrend.com/jrc410/msnbcs-chris...ons-fault/

I guess it depends on your definitions of the words problem and goal.

I'm sure he felt exactly the same way when democrats in congress thwarted Bush--or Reagan.

Does everyone see what I mean? MSNBC is great entertainment. These people are off the wall. They're absolute loons.

It's more fun than any sitcom ... just get your popcorn and watch MSNBC.

This is how they stay on the air. Their biggest audience is people who need a laugh.

Had to sit next to that prick on a flight last year, I swear I wanted to punch him in the face.

Leftists despise the founding documents

(10-12-2013 07:28 PM)maximus Wrote:  Had to sit next to that prick on a flight last year, I swear I wanted to punch him in the face.

Leftists despise the founding documents

I don't see how you were able to hold back. Chris Hayes is a prime example of the typical liberal poindexter who could not survive anywhere in the country outside the upper west side.

Jack Welch----President Has Too Much Power

The president has too much authority compared with Congress' power, says former General Electric CEO Jack Welch.

"The presidency has become too powerful relative to Congress," Welch told CNBC.

The trend dates back to the Clinton administration, he stated. "That's been happening for a long time, and it's accelerated this time" under President Obama.

According to Welch, Obama has gone overboard on regulations, such as changes the president has made to Obamacare and environmental rules. "He can arbitrarily legislate around Congress on clean air, change the game," Welch noted.

Meanwhile, he faults both Congressional Republicans and Obama for their hardline stances through much of the budget/debt ceiling conflict.

"Both sides went down the wrong path," Welch said, explaining that the Republican demand to defund Obamacare —"by definition that's not sitting across the table," he said.

"I wouldn't let Republicans market an iPad when it came out. They can't market anything."

As for Obama, "then the president says, 'I will not negotiate.' That's not a position I can accept either," Welch added.

On Thursday, Congress and the White House made progress in negotiations to re-open the government and implement a debt ceiling increase.

Stocks have risen Friday in reaction.

"The much-needed political breakthrough appears intact, although investors are now awaiting a nod from the president on the strings attached to the offer from Republicans to extend the debt limit by six more weeks," said Andrew Wilkinson, chief economic strategist at Miller Tabak, according to MarketWatch.



http://www.moneynews.com/newswidget/Welc...dgetphase1

He's right. The gov't should not be permitted to shut down by a lack of voting on any subject matter related to the budget. It's definately flawed. I don't think anyone on the planet feels our gov't is flawless. There is too much at stake for a couple of tea party activists. I can tell you one thing, the Democrats will not allow conservatives to shut down the gov't and make legislative changes as a compromise. If the conservatives want such changes, they should repeal these laws with a 2/3 senate vote. If one does not have the votes, one cannot proceed. This type of exchange will not be tolerated or agreed to in any manner. Agreements must contain the following:

-no short term debt ceiling. We are not doing this every six weeks. It's hurts the our economy and it's hurts the world economy.
-no compromise on the ACA. That is already off the table and will not be brought up again. If conservatives want to get rid of it, repeal with 2/3 senate vote (66 votes).
-no budget changes at this point. possible review later
-clean bill submitted that will extend the debt ceiling to December 2014 only. No exceptions.

(10-13-2013 09:31 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  He's right. The gov't should not be permitted to shut down by a lack of voting on any subject matter related to the budget. It's definately flawed. I don't think anyone on the planet feels our gov't is flawless. There is too much at stake for a couple of tea party activists. I can tell you one thing, the Democrats will not allow conservatives to shut down the gov't and make legislative changes as a compromise. If the conservatives want such changes, they should repeal these laws with a 2/3 senate vote. If one does not have the votes, one cannot proceed. This type of exchange will not be tolerated or agreed to in any manner. Agreements must contain the following:

-no short term debt ceiling. We are not doing this every six weeks. It's hurts the our economy and it's hurts the world economy.
-no compromise on the ACA. That is already off the table and will not be brought up again. If conservatives want to get rid of it, repeal with 2/3 senate vote (66 votes).
-no budget changes at this point. possible review later
-clean bill submitted that will extend the debt ceiling to December 2014 only. No exceptions.

Sorry. Conservatives can and they will. If you think the Constitution should give President Obama complete control, you are high on your desire to live under a dictator.

The conservatives hold the purse strings. The Democrats better wise up or the conservatives will also control the Senate. The Tea Party is not going away no matter how hard the left tries to marginalize and slander their cause. Resistance is only causing their numbers to grow.

(10-13-2013 09:31 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  He's right. The gov't should not be permitted to shut down by a lack of voting on any subject matter related to the budget. It's definately flawed. I don't think anyone on the planet feels our gov't is flawless. There is too much at stake for a couple of tea party activists. I can tell you one thing, the Democrats will not allow conservatives to shut down the gov't and make legislative changes as a compromise. If the conservatives want such changes, they should repeal these laws with a 2/3 senate vote. If one does not have the votes, one cannot proceed. This type of exchange will not be tolerated or agreed to in any manner. Agreements must contain the following:

-no short term debt ceiling. We are not doing this every six weeks. It's hurts the our economy and it's hurts the world economy.
-no compromise on the ACA. That is already off the table and will not be brought up again. If conservatives want to get rid of it, repeal with 2/3 senate vote (66 votes).
-no budget changes at this point. possible review later
-clean bill submitted that will extend the debt ceiling to December 2014 only. No exceptions.

Displays the liberal lunacy.

Doesn't even know the difference between a CR and a budget.

There is a fatal flaw with the Constitution. It assumes that people won't act literally like cry babies when they don't get 100% what they want.

What he's talking about isn't giving Obama "unlimited power", he's talking about the fact that you don't see unresolvable problems like this with parliamentary systems. Most Presidential systems setup like ours eventually fail. Britain has survived for hundreds of years, do you think their parties and people always agreed more than we do right now? I'm not personally advocating switching to a parliamentary system, but at least if we were in absolute irreconcilable deadlock, with a Parliament you could dissolve it, call for new elections, and move forward.

(10-13-2013 02:29 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  There is a fatal flaw with the Constitution. It assumes that people won't act literally like cry babies when they don't get 100% what they want.

What he's talking about isn't giving Obama "unlimited power", he's talking about the fact that you don't see unresolvable problems like this with parliamentary systems. Most Presidential systems setup like ours eventually fail. Britain has survived for hundreds of years, do you think their parties and people always agreed more than we do right now? I'm not personally advocating switching to a parliamentary system, but at least if we were in absolute irreconcilable deadlock, with a Parliament you could dissolve it, call for new elections, and move forward.

So tell Obama to stop saying no to everything, refusing to negotiate, saying bills would dead on arrival. With Putin Obama had "flexibility" with Americans not so much. Why do Americans take a back seat to Putin?

(10-12-2013 07:28 PM)maximus Wrote:  Had to sit next to that prick on a flight last year, I swear I wanted to punch him in the face.

Leftists despise the founding documents

Why does it not surprise me that you are a violent person? It seems that you tea baggers tend to like killing and beating people up.

Btw, as for the title of the thread, I am willing to bet it is complete BS and not what is even said in the article.

(10-13-2013 09:48 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 09:31 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  He's right. The gov't should not be permitted to shut down by a lack of voting on any subject matter related to the budget. It's definately flawed. I don't think anyone on the planet feels our gov't is flawless. There is too much at stake for a couple of tea party activists. I can tell you one thing, the Democrats will not allow conservatives to shut down the gov't and make legislative changes as a compromise. If the conservatives want such changes, they should repeal these laws with a 2/3 senate vote. If one does not have the votes, one cannot proceed. This type of exchange will not be tolerated or agreed to in any manner. Agreements must contain the following:

-no short term debt ceiling. We are not doing this every six weeks. It's hurts the our economy and it's hurts the world economy.
-no compromise on the ACA. That is already off the table and will not be brought up again. If conservatives want to get rid of it, repeal with 2/3 senate vote (66 votes).
-no budget changes at this point. possible review later
-clean bill submitted that will extend the debt ceiling to December 2014 only. No exceptions.

Sorry. Conservatives can and they will. If you think the Constitution should give President Obama complete control, you are high on your desire to live under a dictator.

The conservatives hold the purse strings. The Democrats better wise up or the conservatives will also control the Senate. The Tea Party is not going away no matter how hard the left tries to marginalize and slander their cause. Resistance is only causing their numbers to grow.

Yes and that is why we need to raise the debt limit. The conservatives just keep on spending like drunken sailors.

(10-13-2013 09:31 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  He's right. The gov't should not be permitted to shut down by a lack of voting on any subject matter related to the budget. It's definately flawed. I don't think anyone on the planet feels our gov't is flawless. There is too much at stake for a couple of tea party activists. I can tell you one thing, the Democrats will not allow conservatives to shut down the gov't and make legislative changes as a compromise. If the conservatives want such changes, they should repeal these laws with a 2/3 senate vote. If one does not have the votes, one cannot proceed. This type of exchange will not be tolerated or agreed to in any manner. Agreements must contain the following:

-no short term debt ceiling. We are not doing this every six weeks. It's hurts the our economy and it's hurts the world economy.
-no compromise on the ACA. That is already off the table and will not be brought up again. If conservatives want to get rid of it, repeal with 2/3 senate vote (66 votes).
-no budget changes at this point. possible review later
-clean bill submitted that will extend the debt ceiling to December 2014 only. No exceptions.

So, your "negotiations", like your supreme ruler, is simply not to negotiate. Makes sense. If you are a little child and acting badly.

Why should the House fund anything that they disagree with?
That is why they are there.

I hate that little latte drinking turd!

(10-13-2013 07:49 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  I hate that little latte drinking turd!

I think he might be a eunuch.

"It's time for androgyny...it's just Chris!"

Chris Hayes is a F'ing Idiot.

I think morons like him are pushing the US to the need to regulate News. If you offer opinion in reporting it's classified as entertainment. News should be limited to the 5 W's if programs choose to go beyond this it becomes entertainment.