Hoot!

Hey, we could very easily be 0-5, but somehow we're 3-2. Great job, guys. Gotta sustain four quarters like we did the first. I'm shocked that it appears our 1Qs have been our strongest all year. Shocked. That implies good preparation and practice. Which I didn't think we had. Maybe I've been wrong all along. So is the problem in-game coaching??

Definitely 1st down, though I'm not sure of your point. Gaining 6 up the middle wasn't going to put us in FG range. Even Boswell range.

1st & 10 (1:01 to play): Run up middle (Davis). Gain of 6.
2nd & 4: False Start
2nd & 9: Run up middle (Davis). Gain of 2.
End of Regulation.

(10-05-2013 06:43 PM)07owl Wrote:  Penalties were horrible, but I'll give a pass for that horrible roughing the passer penalty. Everything else, especially the unsportsmanlike conduct, is unacceptable

I agree. But I still don't know what the Unsportsmanlike Conduct call was for. Perhaps once someone who was there will have seen it.

(10-05-2013 06:40 PM)3-OwlsInTheNest Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:37 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:33 PM)3-OwlsInTheNest Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:32 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:29 PM)texd Wrote:  At least run an option. We haven't moved the ball up the middle all half.

Alright. We need the TD here because I don't think we can keep trading paint with Tulsa.

We got 6 on 1st down. Do that again on 2nd and we probably call timeout and run the offense.

Wasn't it second down? I thought Davis got stopped for no gain on first down.

Nope.

Post game analysis on radio just said it was second down.

Checking gametracker play-by-play, it says 6 yds on 1st down, then false start, then 2 on second down. But I could have it wrong.

(10-05-2013 06:48 PM)texd Wrote:  Definitely 1st down, though I'm not sure of your point. Gaining 6 up the middle wasn't going to put us in FG range. Even Boswell range.

1st & 10 (1:01 to play): Run up middle (Davis). Gain of 6.
2nd & 4: False Start
2nd & 9: Run up middle (Davis). Gain of 2.
End of Regulation.

Is there a mixed thread here? Didn't the question address overtime play? In overtime the TD was on second down. Jowan Davis, if I recall correctly, was stopped for no gain. Then the TD pass to Darik Dillard.

(10-05-2013 06:51 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:40 PM)3-OwlsInTheNest Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:37 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:33 PM)3-OwlsInTheNest Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:32 PM)JOwl Wrote:  We got 6 on 1st down. Do that again on 2nd and we probably call timeout and run the offense.

Wasn't it second down? I thought Davis got stopped for no gain on first down.

Nope.

Post game analysis on radio just said it was second down.

Checking gametracker play-by-play, it says 6 yds on 1st down, then false start, then 2 on second down. But I could have it wrong.

Ah. Victims of a mixed thread. An internet danger. My post addressed the 25 yard TD play. Hey guys, we won.

(10-05-2013 06:48 PM)texd Wrote:  Definitely 1st down, though I'm not sure of your point. Gaining 6 up the middle wasn't going to put us in FG range. Even Boswell range.

1st & 10 (1:01 to play): Run up middle (Davis). Gain of 6.
2nd & 4: False Start
2nd & 9: Run up middle (Davis). Gain of 2.
End of Regulation.

Point was clear. You're free to disagree, but at least disagree with something specific. Here's what I said:
"We got 6 on 1st down. Do that again on 2nd and we probably call timeout and run the offense."

It was a direct reply to someone saying we should've run the option. My point is that the type of run play we called did about as much as you could hope from any run play there, including the option.

(10-05-2013 06:51 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:40 PM)3-OwlsInTheNest Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:37 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:33 PM)3-OwlsInTheNest Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:32 PM)JOwl Wrote:  We got 6 on 1st down. Do that again on 2nd and we probably call timeout and run the offense.

Wasn't it second down? I thought Davis got stopped for no gain on first down.

Nope.

Post game analysis on radio just said it was second down.

Checking gametracker play-by-play, it says 6 yds on 1st down, then false start, then 2 on second down. But I could have it wrong.

From the gametracker:

1st and 10DAVIS, Jawon rush for no gain to the TLS25 (BRUBAKER, J.;MUDOH, M.).

2nd and 10McHARGUE, Taylo pass complete to DILLARD, Darik for 25 yards to the TLS0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 15:00.

(10-05-2013 06:57 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:51 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:40 PM)3-OwlsInTheNest Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:37 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:33 PM)3-OwlsInTheNest Wrote:  Wasn't it second down? I thought Davis got stopped for no gain on first down.

Nope.

Post game analysis on radio just said it was second down.

Checking gametracker play-by-play, it says 6 yds on 1st down, then false start, then 2 on second down. But I could have it wrong.

From the gametracker:

1st and 10DAVIS, Jawon rush for no gain to the TLS25 (BRUBAKER, J.;MUDOH, M.).

2nd and 10McHARGUE, Taylo pass complete to DILLARD, Darik for 25 yards to the TLS0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 15:00.

Addressed above. The discussion was the last drive of Q4, not the drive in OT.

(10-05-2013 06:58 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:57 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:51 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:40 PM)3-OwlsInTheNest Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:37 PM)JOwl Wrote:  Nope.

Post game analysis on radio just said it was second down.

Checking gametracker play-by-play, it says 6 yds on 1st down, then false start, then 2 on second down. But I could have it wrong.

From the gametracker:

1st and 10DAVIS, Jawon rush for no gain to the TLS25 (BRUBAKER, J.;MUDOH, M.).

2nd and 10McHARGUE, Taylo pass complete to DILLARD, Darik for 25 yards to the TLS0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 15:00.

Addressed above. The discussion was the last drive of Q4, not the drive in OT.

Yup.

Good job Owls!

(10-05-2013 06:25 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:22 PM)smackdaddy Wrote:  Wow, that was embarrassing. I mean, I'm still pulling for the win, but wow. No attempt to even win the game. We've got the best placekicker in the NCAA, and we don't even attempt a throw to get him in range. I understand why, but what does Bailiff think is going to be different about OT??

Offensive starts at 25 in Ds end vs starting at your own 13. At least it's already in Boswell's range.

exactly. We've got one of the best kickers in the NCAA. We counted on the defense to make stops. It worked.

(10-05-2013 05:56 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 05:55 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  That's a touchback.

stepped out before tossing the ball. but the ball is spotted wrong....or course

Watched the game on TV, I don't know how they could make the spot they did.

Just through the first Q on the DVR. Good start for McHargue, gave him some easy throws, but then he made some nice more difficult ones as well. Threw a ball away to avoid a loss.

Also Cody Green is not good.

Interesting to see Edmondson get in McH's face for not throwing a ball away when he had a chance.

Like the throwback from Petersen to McH play call, if Taylor can get out in front of his block, it's a TD.

Couple of great defensive plays by Julius White, but the INT was set up by Covington's pressure. JW could have been so electric on offense for us.

You can see the improved athleticism at safety, tackles are missed, but guys recover.

Some nice up-tempo on our first possession in 3rd Q...
McH throws a should-be pick 6 that is dropped, WOW.
Next play misses a wide open Parks crossing underneath for the first down, gets sacked.
Weird 4th and 8 play by Tulsa, and a terrible throw by Green.
Some good things from the Wild Owl.

4th..
AWESOME 4th down stuff by the D. Tulsa left a lot of points on the board.
Bad looking injury for Moore.
Not a real good 3rd down play when a first down wins it in regulation.

What a sweet win, way to go Owls! Same corner for Dillard as in 2006, too.

(10-05-2013 06:28 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:27 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:25 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:24 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:19 PM)texd Wrote:  FREAKING HANDOFF UP THE MIDDLE?

We're at our own 13 with crap punting. Three and out with no clock run could lose us the game, and us getting into FG range isn't very likely.
I probably would've thrown on first and then run the clock if it didn't work, but not a bad decision by Bailiff.

A 1st down dive up the middle was a terrible decision. I'd debate that all night.

It wasn't a dive.

True. Still a crap call.

I find criticism of this play call totally incredible. Anyone who understands the probabilities involved would say that it is an absolute slam dunk that you do exactly what Bailiff did. And that's without even considering that McHargue had not been throwing well. Starting from your own 13 with a minute left, the odds are way, way against you. You are far more likely to hand Tulsa the game than to do anything to win it yourself. Turnover hands them the game. Three incompletes and a punt hands them the game. The odds are simply not in your favor, and by a wide margin. It's not close. If you want to come out slinging just to prove that you are "aggressive" or something like that, then I suppose you can. But the odds say that's not the way to win the football game.

The play call the does deserve criticism is the pass that got picked with 6 minutes left. You're in marginal range for Boswell. Couple of runs that get 6-7 yards total would get the FG under 50 and take you down to the 5 minute mark, unless Tulsa starts taking TO's, which of course would restrict their offensive options when they get the ball back. FG to go up 14 with 5 minutes left puts you in a very strong position.

(10-06-2013 07:05 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:28 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:27 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:25 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:24 PM)JOwl Wrote:  We're at our own 13 with crap punting. Three and out with no clock run could lose us the game, and us getting into FG range isn't very likely.
I probably would've thrown on first and then run the clock if it didn't work, but not a bad decision by Bailiff.

A 1st down dive up the middle was a terrible decision. I'd debate that all night.

It wasn't a dive.

True. Still a crap call.

I find criticism of this play call totally incredible. Anyone who understands the probabilities involved would say that it is an absolute slam dunk that you do exactly what Bailiff did. And that's without even considering that McHargue had not been throwing well. Starting from your own 13 with a minute left, the odds are way, way against you. You are far more likely to hand Tulsa the game than to do anything to win it yourself. Turnover hands them the game. Three incompletes and a punt hands them the game. The odds are simply not in your favor, and by a wide margin. It's not close. If you want to come out slinging just to prove that you are "aggressive" or something like that, then I suppose you can. But the odds say that's not the way to win the football game.

The play call the does deserve criticism is the pass that got picked with 6 minutes left. You're in marginal range for Boswell. Couple of runs that get 6-7 yards total would get the FG under 50 and take you down to the 5 minute mark, unless Tulsa starts taking TO's, which of course would restrict their offensive options when they get the ball back. FG to go up 14 with 5 minutes left puts you in a very strong position.

Excellent point.
The INT at that point killed us. We were moving the ball on the ground and killing the clock. It was a bad play call. IF we were going to pass... Throw it down the field. Not out in the flat.

Yep... starting from the 13, you have no choice. It may not have been obvious, but I suspect we also tried something tricky/different on the blocking on the KOR that didn't work resulting in the poor KOR. From the 25 with a touchback, maybe you try some "aggressive runs"... (option/misdirection) and if you get a first down, MAYBE you try and get it into FG range.

(10-06-2013 07:05 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:28 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:27 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:25 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:24 PM)JOwl Wrote:  We're at our own 13 with crap punting. Three and out with no clock run could lose us the game, and us getting into FG range isn't very likely.
I probably would've thrown on first and then run the clock if it didn't work, but not a bad decision by Bailiff.

A 1st down dive up the middle was a terrible decision. I'd debate that all night.

It wasn't a dive.

True. Still a crap call.

I find criticism of this play call totally incredible. Anyone who understands the probabilities involved would say that it is an absolute slam dunk that you do exactly what Bailiff did. And that's without even considering that McHargue had not been throwing well. Starting from your own 13 with a minute left, the odds are way, way against you. You are far more likely to hand Tulsa the game than to do anything to win it yourself. Turnover hands them the game. Three incompletes and a punt hands them the game. The odds are simply not in your favor, and by a wide margin. It's not close. If you want to come out slinging just to prove that you are "aggressive" or something like that, then I suppose you can. But the odds say that's not the way to win the football game.

The play call the does deserve criticism is the pass that got picked with 6 minutes left. You're in marginal range for Boswell. Couple of runs that get 6-7 yards total would get the FG under 50 and take you down to the 5 minute mark, unless Tulsa starts taking TO's, which of course would restrict their offensive options when they get the ball back. FG to go up 14 with 5 minutes left puts you in a very strong position.

Agreed.

although we're calling the interception a terrible call, in the post-game interview, McHargue indicated he was trying to throw the ball away. Watching on TV, he was falling back and throwing off his left foot (there was a defender in his face, coming up quick) and just didn't thrown it hard enough. He confirmed this in the interview.

It was an execution issue, and he took ownership. He knows what he needs to do next time I'd wager.