and we are getting THE EXACT OPPOSITE, because of their control of 1/3rd of the branch.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/analysis-r...58734.html


and the most on here support that? Makes perfect sense.

Actually the majority of citizens want that too. So it's clear the Dems aren't representing the citizens of the US.

You live in your own little world and you closet yourself with your own news sources. If you actually believe the majority of Americans don't want their govt. open you truly live in a bubble.

(10-03-2013 07:57 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You live in your own little world and you closet yourself with your own news sources. If you actually believe the majority of Americans don't want their govt. open you truly live in a bubble.

You'd do much better if you actually read what I wrote, and not make **** up.

RIF, teach.

A government shutdown is the worst of all crises for the statists. For the rest of us, not so much.

(10-03-2013 07:24 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Actually the majority of citizens want that too. So it's clear the Dems aren't representing the citizens of the US.

Actually the Dems won the raw vote for US HOUSE, US Senate, and the Presidency in 2012.

(10-03-2013 07:57 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You live in your own little world and you closet yourself with your own news sources. If you actually believe the majority of Americans don't want their govt. open you truly live in a bubble.

You libs are full of irony lately...

If you think the majority of America wants ACA, then lets leave the government out of it and let America decide. I say put it up for a vote by the ones which it affects.

(10-03-2013 01:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 07:24 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Actually the majority of citizens want that too. So it's clear the Dems aren't representing the citizens of the US.

Actually the Dems won the raw vote for US HOUSE, US Senate, and the Presidency in 2012.

And I hit the lotto by writing my numbers down on a napkin.

completely meaningless also.

The ACA is widely despised and it's only going to get worse. You progs, make sure you wear this albatross like a medal, this baby is Alllll yours.

(10-03-2013 01:10 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 07:57 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You live in your own little world and you closet yourself with your own news sources. If you actually believe the majority of Americans don't want their govt. open you truly live in a bubble.

You libs are full of irony lately...

If you think the majority of America wants ACA, then lets leave the government out of it and let America decide. I say put it up for a vote by the ones which it affects.

We did. Obama won.

I get it. But you do bring up a larger point. Who SHOULDN'T be allowed to vote on it?

The GOP has stopped bothering to compete for the votes and support of a majority of Americans. They're now reduced to trying to limit the vote.

At least you guys aren't really pretending anymore that GOP economic policies actually help the middle and working classes.

(10-03-2013 01:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 07:24 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Actually the majority of citizens want that too. So it's clear the Dems aren't representing the citizens of the US.

Actually the Dems won the raw vote for US HOUSE, US Senate, and the Presidency in 2012.

Welcome to the electoral college

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(10-03-2013 01:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 01:10 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 07:57 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You live in your own little world and you closet yourself with your own news sources. If you actually believe the majority of Americans don't want their govt. open you truly live in a bubble.

You libs are full of irony lately...

If you think the majority of America wants ACA, then lets leave the government out of it and let America decide. I say put it up for a vote by the ones which it affects.

We did. Obama won.

I get it. But you do bring up a larger point. Who SHOULDN'T be allowed to vote on it?

The GOP has stopped bothering to compete for the votes and support of a majority of Americans. They're now reduced to trying to limit the vote.

At least you guys aren't really pretending anymore that GOP economic policies actually help the middle and working classes.

What does voting for obama have anything to do with America voting for obamacare? Most of his supporters hate it too... I understand your news sources tell you most of Americans want it, but lets be honest. They don't, and since this directly affects us, let us vote on it. It also saves all of this sh*t going on within the government right now.

(10-03-2013 07:24 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Actually the majority of citizens want that too. So it's clear the Dems aren't representing the citizens of the US.

Libs would disagree, but what else is new.

If Congress is just supposed to vote automatically to rubber stamp anything you want, why bother with Congress.
It might have been passed, and not overturned by the Supreme Court - barely, with changing it to a tax, but doesn't mean there
has to be funding for it.

(10-03-2013 01:13 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 01:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Actually the Dems won the raw vote for US HOUSE, US Senate, and the Presidency in 2012.

Welcome to the electoral college

obama won that, too

Obama winning or the Dems winning a certain percentage has nothing to do with anything.
President Obama is telling Congress that they are not doing their jobs by not passing a budget with his favorite
item in it. Congress is refusing to do that. That is their right.

The only governments where the head of state's can tell the legislatures what to do would be:

And I know you are not claiming he is like those guys.

Your wrong there too Appy. If a clean CR was put up to a vote in the House it would pass also.

Put it up for a vote John. What are you afraid of?

It's their duty to fund or not fund what they chose. That is why they have the purse strings.
Am pretty sure that some will cave in eventually and something will happen.
However I personally think the best thing would be for Obamacare to be up and running with no exemptions
what-so-ever. No union exemptions, no Congressional exemptions, no government worker exemptions, no business exemptions or delays. The weight of it's own mass would determine it's fate.

I still think an interesting strategy would have been for republicans, several weeks ago, to have passed a CR out of the house with two provisions:

1. All waivers, exemptions, and delays to Obamacare granted by the executive are repealed, and
2. All federal officials who are elected or are appointed directly by the president subject to senate confirmation must go on the exchanges

And state publicly that you will agree to a compromise where one is dropped and the other retained.

(10-04-2013 06:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I still think an interesting strategy would have been for republicans, several weeks ago, to have passed a CR out of the house with two provisions:

1. All waivers, exemptions, and delays to Obamacare granted by the executive are repealed, and
2. All federal officials who are elected or are appointed directly by the president subject to senate confirmation must go on the exchanges

And state publicly that you will agree to a compromise where one is dropped and the other retained.

Would think that would have had a good chance of passing.
A lot of the additional opposition to Obamacare has come about by these exemptions and postponements.

The House should pass a CR removing all "waivers" and the Congress exemption. Lord Fucstick has to apply the law equally. I would support that.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016