Let's try a different approach. Given every current BCS head coach, what coaches would not, under any financial inducement, take the USC job? I think the list is very short and would include:

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
David Shaw
Brian Kelly
Frank Beamer
Bill O'Brien

I had Les Miles on my original list but after some thought, I think he'd take it.

Your thoughts?

(10-02-2013 09:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Let's try a different approach. Given every current BCS head coach, what coaches would not, under any financial inducement, take the USC job? I think the list is very short and would include:

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
David Shaw
Brian Kelly
Frank Beamer
Bill O'Brien

I had Les Miles on my original list but after some thought, I think he'd take it.

Your thoughts?

If Les Miles wouldn't take the Mich job where he had ties, he's not gong to USC IMO.
Why not Urban Meyer?

(10-02-2013 09:23 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Let's try a different approach. Given every current BCS head coach, what coaches would not, under any financial inducement, take the USC job? I think the list is very short and would include:

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
David Shaw
Brian Kelly
Frank Beamer
Bill O'Brien

I had Les Miles on my original list but after some thought, I think he'd take it.

Your thoughts?

If Les Miles wouldn't take the Mich job where he had ties, he's not gong to USC IMO.
Why not Urban Meyer?

How is USC a better job than Ohio State?

Pete Carroll

Was Ohio State better than Florida? He started out west and many times it's QOL once the $$$ is made...plus, LA is a huge major city where you are the pro team. It comes down to what is valued, but I don't think it's a given he'd stay

I think this list is a lot longer than you think. A lot of guys have proven it's not that easy to win there and the expectations are still sky-high. That's usually the worst kind of situation.

Steve Spurrier
Bill Snyder
Pat Fitzgerald
Brady Hoke

This is another reason why anyone would take the USC job. What recruit would turn this down?

(10-02-2013 09:33 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Was Ohio State better than Florida? He started out west and many times it's QOL once the $$$ is made...plus, LA is a huge major city where you are the pro team. It comes down to what is valued, but I don't think it's a given he'd stay

Meyer started as HC at Bowling Green after being an assistant at Notre Dame and playing at Cincinnati. He's a Midwesterner.

And Ohio State doesn't have the same recruiting battles or tough games every week like Florida had...far less competition for the top recruits in its area and the B1G is not nearly as competitive as the SEC on a weekly basis.

(10-02-2013 09:38 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  Steve Spurrier
Bill Snyder
Pat Fitzgerald
Brady Hoke

You really think Pat Fitzgerald is staying at Northwestern for the rest of his career?

I think you are overestimating the USC job at this point in time. Note that the rest of the PAC has decided to start playing actual football since Pete Carroll left. My list:

Better or Equal Jobs

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
David Shaw
Brian Kelly
Les Miles
Kevin Sumlin
Will Muschamp
Mark Richt
Mark Helfrich
Whoever ends up at Texas
Jimbo Fisher
Dabo Swinney
Brady Hoke
Bob Stoops


Aren't leaving because of school ties, contract, or early years in a good or reputable program

Kirk Ferentz
Bill O'Brien
Kliff Kingsbury
Brett Bielema
Gus Malzahn
Hugh Freeze
Steve Spurrier
Butch Jones
Jim Mora
Mike Riley
Mike McIntyre
Sonny Dykes
Todd Graham
Rich Rodriguez
Gary Anderson
Darell Hazell
Gary Patterson
Bill Snyder
Art Briles (he will get a strong look at Texas or TAMU if their coaching positions ever change. He is a Texas lifer.)
Frank Beamer
Steve Addazio


Now I know that USC would not consider many of these coaches, but the point is that it really may be easier to spot the coaches who would have interest in USC and have the feeling reciprocated.

James Franklin and Al Golden are two coaches that could slide into the private culture of USC with no problem. Both coaches have to deal with begging fans to fill their stadiums, Golden has the insanely mismanaged NCAA sanctions going on, and James Franklin may want to get as far away from this player sex scandal as possible. Franklin really seems to like Nashville, but I hear his interviews a lot here in town, and he is clearly frustrated that Vandy plays second fiddle to the Vols in Nashville and that Vandy is not the only show in town. Vandy fans are as likely to catch a classical music concert or attend a fundraising ball on Saturday night as they are to watch Vandy against any team except UT. Of course, there are as many or more distractions in L.A., but the tradition and fan support is much better for USC.

(10-02-2013 09:42 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:38 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  Steve Spurrier
Bill Snyder
Pat Fitzgerald
Brady Hoke

You really think Pat Fitzgerald is staying at Northwestern for the rest of his career?

Fitz will stick with programs where he'll be entrusted and not given over to boosters or other "interested parties" that have entitlement where there shouldn't be. So, does that mean he's always at Northwestern? I think the odds of him staying there are better than ever going to LA, unless it's for a pro gig.

I think the days of college football "lifers" are coming to a close. Who's out there that would fit that category under the age of 50? Fitz? Mendenhall at BYU?

Somone who likes rural small college town life versus big city lights.

Someone who has strong ties the community they are already in.

Someone who has a special needs child that has a good community support system already.

(10-02-2013 09:45 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  I think you are overestimating the USC job at this point in time. Note that the rest of the PAC has decided to start playing actual football since Pete Carroll left. My list:

Better or Equal Jobs

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
David Shaw
Brian Kelly
Les Miles
Kevin Sumlin
Will Muschamp
Mark Richt
Mark Helfrich
Whoever ends up at Texas
Jimbo Fisher
Dabo Swinney
Brady Hoke
Bob Stoops


Aren't leaving because of school ties, contract, or early years in a good or reputable program

Kirk Ferentz
Bill O'Brien
Kliff Kingsbury
Brett Bielema
Gus Malzahn
Hugh Freeze
Steve Spurrier
Butch Jones
Jim Mora
Mike Riley
Mike McIntyre
Sonny Dykes
Todd Graham
Rich Rodriguez
Gary Anderson
Darell Hazell
Gary Patterson
Bill Snyder
Art Briles (he will get a strong look at Texas or TAMU if their coaching positions ever change. He is a Texas lifer.)
Frank Beamer
Steve Addazio


Now I know that USC would not consider many of these coaches, but the point is that it really may be easier to spot the coaches who would have interest in USC and have the feeling reciprocated.

James Franklin and Al Golden are two coaches that could slide into the private culture of USC with no problem. Both coaches have to deal with begging fans to fill their stadiums, Golden has the insanely mismanaged NCAA sanctions going on, and James Franklin may want to get as far away from this player sex scandal as possible. Franklin really seems to like Nashville, but I hear his interviews a lot here in town, and he is clearly frustrated that Vandy plays second fiddle to the Vols in Nashville and that Vandy is not the only show in town. Vandy fans are as likely to catch a classical music concert or attend a fundraising ball on Saturday night as they are to watch Vandy against any team except UT. Of course, there are as many or more distractions in L.A., but the tradition and fan support is much better for USC.

Those two guys would kill their own children for that job. Half of your second list would take the USC job without thinking twice about it.

(10-02-2013 10:51 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:45 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  I think you are overestimating the USC job at this point in time. Note that the rest of the PAC has decided to start playing actual football since Pete Carroll left. My list:

Better or Equal Jobs

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
David Shaw
Brian Kelly
Les Miles
Kevin Sumlin
Will Muschamp
Mark Richt
Mark Helfrich
Whoever ends up at Texas
Jimbo Fisher
Dabo Swinney
Brady Hoke
Bob Stoops


Aren't leaving because of school ties, contract, or early years in a good or reputable program

Kirk Ferentz
Bill O'Brien
Kliff Kingsbury
Brett Bielema
Gus Malzahn
Hugh Freeze
Steve Spurrier
Butch Jones
Jim Mora
Mike Riley
Mike McIntyre
Sonny Dykes
Todd Graham
Rich Rodriguez
Gary Anderson
Darell Hazell
Gary Patterson
Bill Snyder
Art Briles (he will get a strong look at Texas or TAMU if their coaching positions ever change. He is a Texas lifer.)
Frank Beamer
Steve Addazio


Now I know that USC would not consider many of these coaches, but the point is that it really may be easier to spot the coaches who would have interest in USC and have the feeling reciprocated.

James Franklin and Al Golden are two coaches that could slide into the private culture of USC with no problem. Both coaches have to deal with begging fans to fill their stadiums, Golden has the insanely mismanaged NCAA sanctions going on, and James Franklin may want to get as far away from this player sex scandal as possible. Franklin really seems to like Nashville, but I hear his interviews a lot here in town, and he is clearly frustrated that Vandy plays second fiddle to the Vols in Nashville and that Vandy is not the only show in town. Vandy fans are as likely to catch a classical music concert or attend a fundraising ball on Saturday night as they are to watch Vandy against any team except UT. Of course, there are as many or more distractions in L.A., but the tradition and fan support is much better for USC.

Those two guys would kill their own children for that job. Half of your second list would take the USC job without thinking twice about it.

(10-02-2013 10:51 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:45 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  I think you are overestimating the USC job at this point in time. Note that the rest of the PAC has decided to start playing actual football since Pete Carroll left. My list:

Better or Equal Jobs

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
David Shaw
Brian Kelly
Les Miles
Kevin Sumlin
Will Muschamp
Mark Richt
Mark Helfrich
Whoever ends up at Texas
Jimbo Fisher
Dabo Swinney
Brady Hoke
Bob Stoops


Aren't leaving because of school ties, contract, or early years in a good or reputable program

Kirk Ferentz
Bill O'Brien
Kliff Kingsbury
Brett Bielema
Gus Malzahn
Hugh Freeze
Steve Spurrier
Butch Jones
Jim Mora
Mike Riley
Mike McIntyre
Sonny Dykes
Todd Graham
Rich Rodriguez
Gary Anderson
Darell Hazell
Gary Patterson
Bill Snyder
Art Briles (he will get a strong look at Texas or TAMU if their coaching positions ever change. He is a Texas lifer.)
Frank Beamer
Steve Addazio


Now I know that USC would not consider many of these coaches, but the point is that it really may be easier to spot the coaches who would have interest in USC and have the feeling reciprocated.

James Franklin and Al Golden are two coaches that could slide into the private culture of USC with no problem. Both coaches have to deal with begging fans to fill their stadiums, Golden has the insanely mismanaged NCAA sanctions going on, and James Franklin may want to get as far away from this player sex scandal as possible. Franklin really seems to like Nashville, but I hear his interviews a lot here in town, and he is clearly frustrated that Vandy plays second fiddle to the Vols in Nashville and that Vandy is not the only show in town. Vandy fans are as likely to catch a classical music concert or attend a fundraising ball on Saturday night as they are to watch Vandy against any team except UT. Of course, there are as many or more distractions in L.A., but the tradition and fan support is much better for USC.

Those two guys would kill their own children for that job. Half of your second list would take the USC job without thinking twice about it.

As I said, the guys on the second list are in the first or second year of a contract with either a good or a reputable program. If they were free agents or high level coordinators, sure, they would love that job. Pat Haden should not make the same mistake twice and take a coach at a reputable program after one year. It would be very bad PR for the school, and that coach would be labeled as a mercenary just like Kiffin. Any of the new coaches at programs on the list above should avoid the job if they want a respectable reputation moving forward. Todd Graham is already tarnished, and Rich Rod is just getting respectability back. I would be incredibly surprised if they get an interview with USC, and if either is hired, it will be a nationwide joke.

(10-02-2013 09:23 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Let's try a different approach. Given every current BCS head coach, what coaches would not, under any financial inducement, take the USC job? I think the list is very short and would include:

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
David Shaw
Brian Kelly
Frank Beamer
Bill O'Brien

I had Les Miles on my original list but after some thought, I think he'd take it.

Your thoughts?

If Les Miles wouldn't take the Mich job where he had ties, he's not gong to USC IMO.
Why not Urban Meyer?

Excellent point and hard to argue, but I will. I think the timing of the Michigan job wasn't in Miles' best interest. And frankly, USC is a better job than Mich.

I think Meyer wants another national championship now, not 6-7 years from now.

(10-02-2013 09:38 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  Steve Spurrier
Bill Snyder
Pat Fitzgerald
Brady Hoke

I agree on Spurrier and Snyder but didn't even consider them because of their ages.

I think either Hoke or Fitzgerald would jump at the chance.

I don't think that Hoke would leave the Skunkbears for the Trojans.