per NCAA president Mark Emmert.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...oming-ncaa

Sound more like a lean to the split of the FBS conferences and some other conferences (Big East..) that are in line with the issues of the Big Schools from the last paragraph of the article.

And nobody knew this was coming?

(09-23-2013 04:23 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  And nobody knew this was coming?

I think some were hopeful a split wouldn't happen but it seems with the faculty athletic reps sending in proposals and all of the pre-meeting activities going on it is starting to head that way and gaining more momentum.

(09-23-2013 04:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  per NCAA president Mark Emmert.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...oming-ncaa

Sound more like a lean to the split of the FBS conferences and some other conferences (Big East..) that are in line with the issues of the Big Schools from the last paragraph of the article.

"suggests that FBS institutions and conferences that are more closely aligned in issues and athletics resources form a new division."

I read that as more that the P5 form a new division. Basketball conferences, CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt not invited. AAC and MWC possibly not invited as well.

Looks like Emmert's just now getting the memo...

(09-23-2013 04:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 04:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  per NCAA president Mark Emmert.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...oming-ncaa

Sound more like a lean to the split of the FBS conferences and some other conferences (Big East..) that are in line with the issues of the Big Schools from the last paragraph of the article.

"suggests that FBS institutions and conferences that are more closely aligned in issues and athletics resources form a new division."

I read that as more that the P5 form a new division. Basketball conferences, CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt not invited. AAC and MWC possibly not invited as well.

I don't know about that. Adding the AAC and MWC still gives the P5 conferences some easier games to schedule, without having to go down a divisional level...

True, but I think the point is to have a playoff where every P5 champ has an auto bid and then 3 other SEC...er "wild card" teams

Letting in the 2 mid major conferences takes away two of those spots and I think you'd have a hard time convincing the p5 commissioners to give up a potential 2nd slot for their conference so the winner of the MWC can have their slot.

(09-23-2013 05:13 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  True, but I think the point is to have a playoff where every P5 champ has an auto bid and then 3 other SEC...er "wild card" teams

Letting in the 2 mid major conferences takes away two of those spots and I think you'd have a hard time convincing the p5 commissioners to give up a potential 2nd slot for their conference so the winner of the MWC can have their slot.

If it remains a 4 team playoff, they'll still have to earn a spot. And with SOS being part of the equation, the deck will be heavily stacked against them...

whats the initial reaction on the effect this will have on all sports other than football.

im thinking the p5 will play the same pre, regular, and post season as current D1 schools but will play under different rules when it comes to funding scholarships and the reimbursements and allowances the athletes get. It will make the gap even wider, but its already pretty wide. i dont think they touch the NCAA tournament, CWS, etc

I still think we're going to go from P5 to P4 before too much longer...

Meanwhile, if you're in the P5 for now and wanna schedule easy games there's always Maryland, WVU, and UK you could schedule! LOL

Let's see how the Cards do without Bridgewater. Replacing an NFL caliber QB ain't as easy as it seems...

(09-23-2013 05:13 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  True, but I think the point is to have a playoff where every P5 champ has an auto bid and then 3 other SEC...er "wild card" teams

Letting in the 2 mid major conferences takes away two of those spots and I think you'd have a hard time convincing the p5 commissioners to give up a potential 2nd slot for their conference so the winner of the MWC can have their slot.

Oh, boo hoo. Go cry in your money.

(09-23-2013 04:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 04:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  per NCAA president Mark Emmert.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...oming-ncaa

Sound more like a lean to the split of the FBS conferences and some other conferences (Big East..) that are in line with the issues of the Big Schools from the last paragraph of the article.

"suggests that FBS institutions and conferences that are more closely aligned in issues and athletics resources form a new division."

I read that as more that the P5 form a new division. Basketball conferences, CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt not invited. AAC and MWC possibly not invited as well.

My interpretation is FBS institutions (all FBS) and particular conferences (BE) going into a new division.

So the Big East will be included in with the P5? I guess I was right all along and those who said we were mid majors were wrong!

(09-23-2013 07:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 04:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 04:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  per NCAA president Mark Emmert.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...oming-ncaa

Sound more like a lean to the split of the FBS conferences and some other conferences (Big East..) that are in line with the issues of the Big Schools from the last paragraph of the article.

"suggests that FBS institutions and conferences that are more closely aligned in issues and athletics resources form a new division."

I read that as more that the P5 form a new division. Basketball conferences, CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt not invited. AAC and MWC possibly not invited as well.

My interpretation is FBS institutions (all FBS) and particular conferences (BE) going into a new division.

I guess it depends on how you read the "and." I read it as referring to FBS conferences that were also aligned in resources. It could also be read as "all FBS conferences" "and" others.

(09-23-2013 04:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 04:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 04:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  per NCAA president Mark Emmert.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...oming-ncaa

Sound more like a lean to the split of the FBS conferences and some other conferences (Big East..) that are in line with the issues of the Big Schools from the last paragraph of the article.

"suggests that FBS institutions and conferences that are more closely aligned in issues and athletics resources form a new division."

I read that as more that the P5 form a new division. Basketball conferences, CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt not invited. AAC and MWC possibly not invited as well.

I don't know about that. Adding the AAC and MWC still gives the P5 conferences some easier games to schedule, without having to go down a divisional level...

I gotta disagree. I don't think the P5 conferences and its members would begin the process that it appears they are going to start and not agree from the get-go that they are to do this one time, and do it right. It doesn't help them at all to include the AAC and MWC in a split, and then end up with the same problem and be forced to do it again in 15 years when those two conferences become the new MAC and Sun Belt. This may be tremendously unfair to UConn, Cincinnati, and the rest, but I can assure you that the people who make decisions at the mega-programs are not going to shed a tear about it.

S.R. Hadden: The powers that be have been very busy lately, falling over each other to position themselves for the game of the millennium. Maybe I can help deal you back in.
Ellie Arroway: I didn't realize that I was out.
S.R. Hadden: Well, maybe not out... but certainly being handed your hat.

Adding those 2 conferences leaves fewer upset politicos, which means fewer problems involved in dividing D1 football...

I made a post about this in the PAC thread. Copy pasting it as it has more links that have come up recently about this.



It is the annual NCAA Convention. It happens every year but we have already had some very telling and yet vague statements about what we might see happen at the convention.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college...re-change/


http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...ark-emmert

Quote:Mark Emmert called for a summit of Division I schools and said he expects changes in how college athletics' top division operates to come within the year, per Mark Alesia of the Indianapolis Star.

Quote:Emmert recently sent letters to Division I administrators calling for the meeting Jan. 16-17, 2014. It will take place at the same time as the NCAA's yearly convention in San Diego

That is just a start. Some quick google work will lead you down the path of understanding just how big January is going to be in terms of the situation we all talk about in this forum.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col...y/2588099/

Quote:The NCAA's leadership — the executive committee and the D-I Board — will meet Aug. 8 in Indianapolis and begin discussing models for a drastically different way to govern the 348 schools in the association's top division. Emmert said he expects significant changes to how the NCAA operates to be adopted within the next year.

The process has already begun. It began over a month ago.

Quote:"There's one thing that virtually everybody in Division I has in common right now, and that is they don't like the governance model," Emmert said. "Now, there's not agreement on what the new model should be. But there's very little support for continuing things in the governing process the way they are today."

Within the past week, Emmert sent a letter to all D-I presidents, athletic directors, commissioners, faculty athletic representatives and senior woman administrators asking them to save the dates of Jan. 16 and 17 for "an important milestone in which your participation is crucial." The meeting will be held at the same time as the NCAA's annual convention in San Diego.

In the letter, Emmert called the "first-time Division I Governance Dialogue" a "critical meeting" that will cover "virtually every aspect of how Division I operates."

January is big time and those of us that know it, stress it. We aren't making it up, we just "investigate".

It is much more than just writing some new rules. That will be a byproduct of the meeting in January.

Lets face it guys, what is said now does not mean it will happen when things become official. Things can always change because there are alot of things that can happen between now and what will happen in the NCAA meetings. I am taking what is said with very little salt and waiting till the the time of the meetings to make a more informed opinion.

(09-23-2013 08:40 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  Lets face it guys, what is said now does not mean it will happen when things become official. Things can always change because there are alot of things that can happen between now and what will happen in the NCAA meetings. I am taking what is said with very little salt and waiting till the the time of the meetings to make a more informed opinion.

Emmert is trying to save his ass. If it doesn't happen then he is gone for sure. If it happens then he possibly can maintain his position.