Shut it down. The people demand it.

There is probably no one more opposed to Obamacare than I am. But shutting down the government in an effort to defund Obamacare is simply stupid. No matter how good the intentions--and I agree fully with the intent--it will be a political disaster. And the absolute very last thing in the world that we need to be doing right now is handing the house back to Nancy Pelosi in 2014.

I actually think the best political outcome for republicans--and the country--is to let it become law, prove totally unworkable, and provide R's with an issue to run against for a generation. But first they have to grow some smarts.

It really is the stupid party versus the evil party.

I agree, but the majority of people are fed up with the lying bastards and are desperate. What is the patriotic thing to do, continue the status quo, or try to change the direction by any means possible stupid or not?

Shut it down.

Well... having seniors worry about receiving their social security check is certainly a good way to garner votes.

I think it was pointed out very clearly yesterday... neither party actually wants to look at the real problem with our budget: Social Security and Medicare. If they don't finally make adjustments to that in the near future we are doomed anyway.

Seniors are not stupid and are of the most courageous among us.

(09-19-2013 08:42 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I actually think the best political outcome for republicans--and the country--is to let it become law, prove totally unworkable, and provide R's with an issue to run against for a generation. But first they have to grow some smarts.

It really is the stupid party versus the evil party.

We already have many instances where O-care has proven to be a lie, not as advertised, expensive, job killing, economy killing, people killing, etc....and people on the left just don't care, they even defend it. We have too many voters who fall for a good sales pitch or vote by party line or color without regard for substance.

Edit: We should do away with political advertising. An informed voter doesn't need it.

(09-19-2013 09:18 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Seniors are not stupid and are of the most courageous among us.

Well, I opened up my facebook page this morning and saw 2 of them of which I am friends with posting how upset they are with both parties over the shutdown, but with most of the blame going towards the Republicans. Granted, it is anecdotal, but I would not be risking pissing off the largest voting group by age.

When I think about all of the things I don't use the Federal Government for.... I could care less if they shut down. Won't affect me in any way.

I talked to my Dad last night (he's 86), he said shut it down, or our future children are toast.

(09-19-2013 10:53 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I talked to my Dad last night (he's 86), he said shut it down, or our future children are toast.

I think that's probably accurate.
Unfortunately, it's also probably impossible.

I shudder to think of the world we are leaving our kids.

So I take it all the talk about the GOP govt shutdown suicide is hot air from the liberal mouth pieces?

I am doubtful of that... the first time that the social security checks are late you will hear a whole lot of the older generation people throwing an absolute fit. They are okay with shutting down the gov't as long as they get their check and their medical care. If either of those are delayed I suspect all hell will break loose.

Eh, govt shutdown in '95 ,'96. No biggie.

(09-19-2013 12:58 PM)mlb Wrote:  I am doubtful of that... the first time that the social security checks are late you will hear a whole lot of the older generation people throwing an absolute fit. They are okay with shutting down the gov't as long as they get their check and their medical care. If either of those are delayed I suspect all hell will break loose.

Are they going to gum me to death? I got something for liberal grandpa if he gets snippy.

(09-19-2013 01:35 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Are they going to gum me to death? I got something for liberal grandpa if he gets snippy.

No, but come the next election they will remember whomever they want to in terms of the blame for their check being late. I'm pretty sure that neither side wants to risk the blame in that deal... just as neither truly wants to tackle the real $$ issue in this country... Social Security and Medicare.

_her_ thoughts on government.

Shut it down....permanently.
Start from scratch. Keep it simple, and keep it very small.