I was at a conference that Rand spoke at recently and I he takes the exact stance I do. I really like how he is reaching out to the black community, and not just pandering to them. I have a buddy who got busted cultivating mushrooms 10 years ago. He is a productive member of society and not a criminal I think he should legally be able to vote and own guns legitly. Thoughts..

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/vi...88278.html

Rand is about 6 months behind Bob McDonnell.

Rand>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bob

(09-17-2013 03:04 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  Rand>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bob

Agreed... but the OP indicated that Rand was leading a charge. He's not.

(09-17-2013 03:15 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 03:04 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  Rand>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bob

Agreed... but the OP indicated that Rand was leading a charge. He's not.

Actually it did not it just said he had the same stance I did. Also he is an actual contender for the top spot so what he weighs in on means more than most imo

(09-17-2013 03:18 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 03:15 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 03:04 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  Rand>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bob

Agreed... but the OP indicated that Rand was leading a charge. He's not.

Actually it did

FIFY

Reading comprehension not your strong suit? ^

And wasnt Jerry Falwell that preacher that was caught toe tapping at an airport mens restroom? Why would you use him as your handle? just curious.

Reinstating voting rights to someone who has been convicted of felony fraud sounds a bit irresponsible.

See Melowese Richardson.

(09-17-2013 03:56 PM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Reinstating voting rights to someone who has been convicted of felony fraud sounds a bit irresponsible.

See Melowese Richardson.

I say leave it to a judges discretion. All cases are individual.

(09-17-2013 03:52 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  Reading comprehension not your strong suit? ^

And wasnt Jerry Falwell that preacher that was caught toe tapping at an airport mens restroom? Why would you use him as your handle? just curious.

Here, let me Google that for you......

(09-17-2013 03:59 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 03:56 PM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Reinstating voting rights to someone who has been convicted of felony fraud sounds a bit irresponsible.

See Melowese Richardson.

I say leave it to a judges discretion. All cases are individual.

Yep.

I have a friend that is a convicted felon... he took a plea deal in order to avoid a politically motivated DA from making a headline case out of him, he most likely would have been vindicated in court, but the hit his finances and marriage would have taken wasn't worth the fight.

(09-17-2013 04:03 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 03:52 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  Reading comprehension not your strong suit? ^

And wasnt Jerry Falwell that preacher that was caught toe tapping at an airport mens restroom? Why would you use him as your handle? just curious.

Here, let me Google that for you......

Lol same difference. It was like meth and male strippers or something of that nature.

(09-17-2013 04:05 PM)AngryAphid Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 03:59 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 03:56 PM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Reinstating voting rights to someone who has been convicted of felony fraud sounds a bit irresponsible.

See Melowese Richardson.

I say leave it to a judges discretion. All cases are individual.

Yep.

I have a friend that is a convicted felon... he took a plea deal in order to avoid a politically motivated DA from making a headline case out of him, he most likely would have been vindicated in court, but the hit his finances and marriage would have taken wasn't worth the fight.

Yeah I know how that goes. I feel bad for them and they should be vindicated. Ignorance and apathy of politicians has prevented anything from being done about this.

Have you seen the guy's wrap sheet? You are one of those that seem to show a lot of zeal for bad causes. You've been spoon fed your whole life that 90% everyone in prison is there for non-violent crimes. My sympathies are for the victims. Man up, *****.

(09-17-2013 04:16 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Have you seen the guy's wrap sheet? You are one of those that seem to show a lot of zeal for bad causes. You've been spoon fed your whole life that 90% everyone in prison is there for non-violent crimes. My sympathies are for the victims. Man up, *****.

I never brought up anyone specific. Remember you need to execute your argument with logic and not emotion bro. I am mainly talking about felons that never even spent a day in prison and got say a class D felony years prior and have done nothing since. There are many of these people out there. They deserve a second chance. If you commit check forgery when you are 18 this means your childish decision has costed you an ability to find a good job for the rest of your life as well as your civil liberties. Even if when you grow up you never commit another crime. And there are many many people in jail for non violent crime thanks to the Neo-cons infamous failure: the war on drugs. Read more and learn to show some compassion for your fellow man.

You can vote in NC if you are a convicted felon after you have completed your sentence, including probation, parole, fines and court costs. In what states can felons not get their voting right back?

(09-17-2013 06:45 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  You can vote in NC if you are a convicted felon after you have completed your sentence, including probation, parole, fines and court costs. In what states can felons not get their voting right back?

Yes..I believe that is correct. I don't think that applies to firearms.

I would also allow someone to regain the right to bear arms in cases where no "physical" violence (assault, battery, murder..ect) occurred as long as no firearm or weapon was involved in the commission of the crime....under the same above parameters. It is not however a burning issue with me to change at this point. I just feel there are circumstance is which there is no public harm in allowing a reformed felon to return to full citizenship.

(09-17-2013 06:44 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 04:16 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Have you seen the guy's wrap sheet? You are one of those that seem to show a lot of zeal for bad causes. You've been spoon fed your whole life that 90% everyone in prison is there for non-violent crimes. My sympathies are for the victims. Man up, *****.

I never brought up anyone specific. Remember you need to execute your argument with logic and not emotion bro. I am mainly talking about felons that never even spent a day in prison and got say a class D felony years prior and have done nothing since. There are many of these people out there. They deserve a second chance. If you commit check forgery when you are 18 this means your childish decision has costed you an ability to find a good job for the rest of your life as well as your civil liberties. Even if when you grow up you never commit another crime. And there are many many people in jail for non violent crime thanks to the Neo-cons infamous failure: the war on drugs. Read more and learn to show some compassion for your fellow man.

Simple.

OBEY THE F^CKING LAW!!!

You blame Neo-Cons for the drug war failure, drug users bare no responsibility what so ever. Or dealers. Or Gangs. Or parents. Or schools. Or moronic dimocrats. Just Neo-Cons....

(09-17-2013 07:15 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 06:44 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 04:16 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Have you seen the guy's wrap sheet? You are one of those that seem to show a lot of zeal for bad causes. You've been spoon fed your whole life that 90% everyone in prison is there for non-violent crimes. My sympathies are for the victims. Man up, *****.

I never brought up anyone specific. Remember you need to execute your argument with logic and not emotion bro. I am mainly talking about felons that never even spent a day in prison and got say a class D felony years prior and have done nothing since. There are many of these people out there. They deserve a second chance. If you commit check forgery when you are 18 this means your childish decision has costed you an ability to find a good job for the rest of your life as well as your civil liberties. Even if when you grow up you never commit another crime. And there are many many people in jail for non violent crime thanks to the Neo-cons infamous failure: the war on drugs. Read more and learn to show some compassion for your fellow man.

Simple.

OBEY THE F^CKING LAW!!!

You blame Neo-Cons for the drug war failure, drug users bare no responsibility what so ever. Or dealers. Or Gangs. Or parents. Or schools. Or moronic dimocrats. Just Neo-Cons....

It is not a partisan issue IMO. I think most people would agree that there are circumstances in which a felon could return to normal status of citizenship based upon the crime committed and the persons willingness to be rehabilitated. Not everything has to be black and white.

I have a tendency to be willing to give someone a 2nd chance. Hell, Americans are famous for giving 2nd chances especially for non-gun stuff done when someone was barely over 18. At one time, many people could screw-up - then move somewhere far away and essentially start over. In today's electronic world - that becomes way more difficult to do.