The fact that they missed one is ridiculous. The fact that they missed a second one is inexcusable. Completely changed the game. Those calls don't happen, the game is completely different, Munchie isn't injured, who knows what happens.

The team seemed to lose some momentum with the reversed TD and then they lost a lot more on the turnover call. At that point, the offense had been playing well and the defense had been swarming. After that, they seemed to lose a step and then the Munchie injury was the final nail in the coffin. Had both or either of those had been correct, I do believe it is a different game. UC has momentum and Illinois is starting to tighten up some. Don't know if we would have won it or not, but it would have been a totally different game.

(09-13-2013 10:05 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  The team seemed to lose some momentum with the reversed TD and then they lost a lot more on the turnover call. At that point, the offense had been playing well and the defense had been swarming. After that, they seemed to lose a step and then the Munchie injury was the final nail in the coffin. Had both or either of those had been correct, I do believe it is a different game. UC has momentum and Illinois is starting to tighten up some. Don't know if we would have won it or not, but it would have been a totally different game.

The defense "lost a step?" Illinois got ball on the one foot line and took it 99 yards for a touchdown.

I'm sorry, but that's inexcusable.

I thought the instant replay call was one of the more unusual things I've seen for a while and think it was the wrong call, but there are a number of other things that came into play where UC shot themselves in the foot.

(09-13-2013 10:14 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:05 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  The team seemed to lose some momentum with the reversed TD and then they lost a lot more on the turnover call. At that point, the offense had been playing well and the defense had been swarming. After that, they seemed to lose a step and then the Munchie injury was the final nail in the coffin. Had both or either of those had been correct, I do believe it is a different game. UC has momentum and Illinois is starting to tighten up some. Don't know if we would have won it or not, but it would have been a totally different game.

The defense "lost a step?" Illinois got ball on the one foot line and took it 99 yards for a touchdown.

I'm sorry, but that's inexcusable.

I thought the instant replay call was one of the more unusual things I've seen for a while and think it was the wrong call, but there are a number of other things that came into play where UC shot themselves in the foot.

Really Illinois got the ball on the one foot line and the defense forced a fumble which they then recovered but Illinois still got to keep the ball. Then Illinois took it the rest of the way for the TD.

The defense had lots of problems during the game but up until that point they had done relatively well given the position of the offense put them in. I have no reason to think they'd have help up better if that fumble had been awarded to UC (as it apparently should have been) but it's also very difficult to stop a good offense multiple times during a drive and that's what UC was forced to do on that drive at least.

What's the old adage, a handful of plays often determines the outcome of a game? Well, I think the nullified TD, nullified fumble recovery, and Munchie's knee shredding certain qualify for that handful.

(09-13-2013 10:14 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:05 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  The team seemed to lose some momentum with the reversed TD and then they lost a lot more on the turnover call. At that point, the offense had been playing well and the defense had been swarming. After that, they seemed to lose a step and then the Munchie injury was the final nail in the coffin. Had both or either of those had been correct, I do believe it is a different game. UC has momentum and Illinois is starting to tighten up some. Don't know if we would have won it or not, but it would have been a totally different game.

The defense "lost a step?" Illinois got ball on the one foot line and took it 99 yards for a touchdown.

I'm sorry, but that's inexcusable.

I thought the instant replay call was one of the more unusual things I've seen for a while and think it was the wrong call, but there are a number of other things that came into play where UC shot themselves in the foot.

Agree it is horrible to give up that drive.

But the drive before that they were really attacking and pushed them backwards forcing a punt. Then after the TD hose job, the defense was still attacking and took the ball away, but then lost that review as well. It just seemed at that point the defense and team seemed to decide it wasn't there day and they just seemed to lose focus again.

Good teams don't do that, so they certainly have a lot of growing to do. All the injuries mounting isn't helping either.

(09-13-2013 10:20 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:14 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:05 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  The team seemed to lose some momentum with the reversed TD and then they lost a lot more on the turnover call. At that point, the offense had been playing well and the defense had been swarming. After that, they seemed to lose a step and then the Munchie injury was the final nail in the coffin. Had both or either of those had been correct, I do believe it is a different game. UC has momentum and Illinois is starting to tighten up some. Don't know if we would have won it or not, but it would have been a totally different game.

The defense "lost a step?" Illinois got ball on the one foot line and took it 99 yards for a touchdown.

I'm sorry, but that's inexcusable.

I thought the instant replay call was one of the more unusual things I've seen for a while and think it was the wrong call, but there are a number of other things that came into play where UC shot themselves in the foot.

Agree it is horrible to give up that drive.

But the drive before that they were really attacking and pushed them backwards forcing a punt. Then after the TD hose job, the defense was still attacking and took the ball away, but then lost that review as well. It just seemed at that point the defense and team seemed to decide it wasn't there day and they just seemed to lose focus again.

Good teams don't do that, so they certainly have a lot of growing to do. All the injuries mounting isn't helping either.

I guess I look at it from a "what UC could have done perspective" first.

Again, I agree the instant replay call was a bad one, but I look at what put UC in the situation in the first place - going for the TD on 4th and 1.

I'm not saying going for it was necessarily a bad call, HOWEVER, UC had difficulty punching it through. Refresh my memory, how many plays did UC have inside the 10 yard line?

There was a risk in going for the TD on 4th and 1 and UC lost that bet. Sometimes it's better to take the points and go for 3...at least it would have been SOMETHING and less of a momentum buster than that call was.

As I was watching the game the little voice in my head was saying "go for three," just because things didn't seem to be going our way.

It was fairly obvious on the first drive that the refs weren't going to allow us to do much. At least in my perspective.

It's a d*hm shame and not surprising. UC definately started to gain momentum and were when those two calls took place. I thought at the time they were game changers. However, great teams overcome and continue to play at a high level. Team looked as if it took a step back after those calls, much to my disappointment.

On a side note - watching the TCU/ttech game reminded me of the bad/missed calls in the illin game. IMO TCU was screwed last night.

(09-13-2013 10:43 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  It's a d*hm shame and not surprising. UC definately started to gain momentum and were when those two calls took place. I thought at the time they were game changers. However, great teams overcome and continue to play at a high level. Team looked as if it took a step back after those calls, much to my disappointment.

On a side note - watching the TCU/ttech game reminded me of the bad/missed calls in the illin game. IMO TCU was screwed last night.

Yeah, that was a weird ending to the TCU/TT game.

It makes me wonder how "clean" the game is.

(09-13-2013 10:52 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:43 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  It's a d*hm shame and not surprising. UC definately started to gain momentum and were when those two calls took place. I thought at the time they were game changers. However, great teams overcome and continue to play at a high level. Team looked as if it took a step back after those calls, much to my disappointment.

On a side note - watching the TCU/ttech game reminded me of the bad/missed calls in the illin game. IMO TCU was screwed last night.

Yeah, that was a weird ending to the TCU/TT game.

It makes me wonder how "clean" the game is.

I agree. As much as yahoo, SI and the 4 letter like to go after players and team for violations, maybe it's time to look into the officials too. Especially, in non-conf and bowl games.

(09-13-2013 11:09 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:52 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:43 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  It's a d*hm shame and not surprising. UC definately started to gain momentum and were when those two calls took place. I thought at the time they were game changers. However, great teams overcome and continue to play at a high level. Team looked as if it took a step back after those calls, much to my disappointment.

On a side note - watching the TCU/ttech game reminded me of the bad/missed calls in the illin game. IMO TCU was screwed last night.

Yeah, that was a weird ending to the TCU/TT game.

It makes me wonder how "clean" the game is.

I agree. As much as yahoo, SI and the 4 letter like to go after players and team for violations, maybe it's time to look into the officials too. Especially, in non-conf and bowl games.

I've been wrestling with my support for football due to all the hypocrisy, cheating, academic fraud, the realignment grab for money, etc. Then we see these bizarre calls and I feel like it has all become a crazy joke.

The Big 10 calling to say, "We're sorry," is in itself a cruel joke. Maybe it's the sting from a bad loss, but it feels like, "We're sorry we screwed you over, but it doesn't change anything and no one will be punished, and 'ha-ha' we're the Big 10."

(09-13-2013 11:27 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 11:09 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:52 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:43 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  It's a d*hm shame and not surprising. UC definately started to gain momentum and were when those two calls took place. I thought at the time they were game changers. However, great teams overcome and continue to play at a high level. Team looked as if it took a step back after those calls, much to my disappointment.

On a side note - watching the TCU/ttech game reminded me of the bad/missed calls in the illin game. IMO TCU was screwed last night.

Yeah, that was a weird ending to the TCU/TT game.

It makes me wonder how "clean" the game is.

I agree. As much as yahoo, SI and the 4 letter like to go after players and team for violations, maybe it's time to look into the officials too. Especially, in non-conf and bowl games.

I've been wrestling with my support for football due to all the hypocrisy, cheating, academic fraud, the realignment grab for money, etc. Then we see these bizarre calls and I feel like it has all become a crazy joke.

The Big 10 calling to say, "We're sorry," is in itself a cruel joke. Maybe it's the sting from a bad loss, but it feels like, "We're sorry we screwed you over, but it doesn't change anything and no one will be punished, and 'ha-ha' we're the Big 10."

Yep. Certainly feels like Vince Mcmahon and the WWE is running CFB nowadays. I imagine someday soon we'll see Jim Delaney and co. walking up to the mic at a press conference with the "No Chance" music in the background.

I am with you in terms of watching the game. I had zero interest in watching TTU v. TCU last night. I watched a movie instead. This is coming from a guy who has been following college football religiously for over 25 years and used to watch games all day into the wee hours of the morning from variouis conferences.

I think many have recently wrestled with supporting college athletics due to the reasons you mentioned above. I do not understand the apology - in the end there is no accountability for those official's actions. They helped the conf out and probably were rewarded accordingly.

I understand the whole argument of they still allowed the opponents to go 99 yards for a TD but consider this. Football is a game played on emotion. The defense steps up after we have one game changing call incorrectly only to have another call incorrectly called against us. I can see how back to back calls like that when we've fought hard to get back in it could have demoralized the team.

(09-13-2013 11:59 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  I understand the whole argument of they still allowed the opponents to go 99 yards for a TD but consider this. Football is a game played on emotion. The defense steps up after we have one game changing call incorrectly only to have another call incorrectly called against us. I can see how back to back calls like that when we've fought hard to get back in it could have demoralized the team.

I think you right because the players know this and then they start to think not only to we have to beat the other team but we have to beat the officials also.

Reminds me of Jimmy Johnson's qoute from the 1987 season, where ND beat them on a bad call costing them the NC.

"I told you, if you go to notre dame, you can't leave it in the official's hands."

(09-13-2013 11:59 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  I understand the whole argument of they still allowed the opponents to go 99 yards for a TD but consider this. Football is a game played on emotion. The defense steps up after we have one game changing call incorrectly only to have another call incorrectly called against us. I can see how back to back calls like that when we've fought hard to get back in it could have demoralized the team.

I should probably clarify that I DO think the recall was material, and so was the fumble call. I stopped watching the game at that point, so I can't say it doesn't affect the people who are actually on the field playing the game.

My only point is that a lot of other things happened to change things. Going down 21-0 against a Big10 team didn't help.

(09-13-2013 10:33 AM)DJBEARCAT Wrote:  It was fairly obvious on the first drive that the refs weren't going to allow us to do much. At least in my perspective.

Agreed. I saw Illinois offensive linemen with double handfulls of UC jerseys all day long. They may have called holding once. To but it bluntly, the officiating was bulls***.

(09-13-2013 06:49 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  Even one of the TV announcers said that there was no conclusive video evidence that the TD should be overturned. And the fumble was equally obvious.

Getting "homered" is nothing new, especially in the B10. It would have changed the game, but if UC had played to their ability, it wouldn't have mattered.

Good points. ALso having attended every UC game at home since 2005 including bowl games and watched every other game possible, the Illinois game was the most one sided officiated game. I heard the crew chief was the crew chief that did the Orange Bowl screw up game in which VT beat UC in Miami, Florida.