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(09-11-2013 03:27 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think a problem is that there are not a lot of teams left everybody can agree with because the addition steps on someones toes.

A&M doesn't want any OK/TX school
UF doesn't want FSU/Miami
UGA doesn't want GT
USC doesn't want Clemson or any NC schools
UK doesn't want Louisville
UT doesn't want WVU/VT

At this rate hawg may end up being right by default and somehow Cincinnati ends up in the SEC 03-wink
But while the SEC schools may be considerate of each other, their cohesion also suggests that a given school may well be persuaded to give up something for the sake of the greater good. While nobody is immune to looking out for their own interests, there does seem to be a significant amount of consideration for the interests of the conference as a whole.

If, for example, there was a consensus among the other members that adding OSU (despite their current, uh, newsworthiness) to the conference, I wouldn't be surprised to see aTm relent, even if reluctantly.

(They may not be so gracious about the possibility of admitting UT, but I don't think that's feasible in any case.) 04-cheers
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(09-11-2013 03:56 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 03:27 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think a problem is that there are not a lot of teams left everybody can agree with because the addition steps on someones toes.

A&M doesn't want any OK/TX school
UF doesn't want FSU/Miami
UGA doesn't want GT
USC doesn't want Clemson or any NC schools
UK doesn't want Louisville
UT doesn't want WVU/VT

At this rate hawg may end up being right by default and somehow Cincinnati ends up in the SEC 03-wink
But while the SEC schools may be considerate of each other, their cohesion also suggests that a given school may well be persuaded to give up something for the sake of the greater good. While nobody is immune to looking out for their own interests, there does seem to be a significant amount of consideration for the interests of the conference as a whole.

If, for example, there was a consensus among the other members that adding OSU (despite their current, uh, newsworthiness) to the conference, I wouldn't be surprised to see aTm relent, even if reluctantly.

(They may not be so gracious about the possibility of admitting UT, but I don't think that's feasible in any case.) 04-cheers

Not now Phog, but who's to say what happens with the direction of Texas if the present mess balloons into the replacement of both Brown and Dodds. If you look at the options for movement where else can Texas find everyone they once enjoyed playing and who their fans loved to play than in the SEC. If Oklahoma moved with them they would have Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, and Texas A&M as potential division mates. And annually they would have at least one, possibly two of Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, or South Carolina to play. The Mississippi schools may not be huge marquee teams to play but their proximity is certainly better than comparable teams in the PAC or Big 10.

While I'm not saying it would happen, I am saying that there are more compelling reasons for them to consider the SEC than people give the situation the credit of having. Academically the SEC is better than their present situation. And out of consideration to their fans and the fans who would travel to Austin or Norman hands down the SEC would have more to offer. These are points that people fail to consider when discussing this matter.
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The more I think about it, the less issues I'm seeing with UT joining if Dodds is replaced with someone with a bit more worldview. I don't think adding UT would take A&M to little brother status again. They have established their identity, and it would look more like Alabama/Auburn. Is Alabama a juggernaut? Sure, but Auburn is a top 10 national athletic department. I see a similar situation in the state of Texas. UT would not be able to control the SEC like they have the Big 12. I don't care how much money they make, Texas will never hold more sway than Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, or Florida. Equal, maybe, but it would be more of a committee feel than authoritarian.

This is way hypothetical and is not factoring in existing GoR, but I would think a UT move to the SEC would immediately trigger Oklahoma, as well, leaving any spots beyond 16 as merely icing on the cake. If absolutely no schools from North Carolina or Virginia will come to the SEC, then I think it would be time to double up in existing footprint states and completely own the South. Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, and either Louisville or Oklahoma State should be invited at that point to make 20. The U dangling down in Miami makes as much difference as TCU and Baylor being in Texas but not in the same league as UT or TAMU. If the NC and VA schools have second thoughts down the road, the SEC could always add 4 schools from those states and create more of a league than a conference. The Big 10 could easily do the same thing by absorbing the more northern ACC schools that qualify as well as Kansas and Iowa State.
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(09-11-2013 04:41 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  The more I think about it, the less issues I'm seeing with UT joining if Dodds is replaced with someone with a bit more worldview. I don't think adding UT would take A&M to little brother status again. They have established their identity, and it would look more like Alabama/Auburn. Is Alabama a juggernaut? Sure, but Auburn is a top 10 national athletic department. I see a similar situation in the state of Texas. UT would not be able to control the SEC like they have the Big 12. I don't care how much money they make, Texas will never hold more sway than Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, or Florida. Equal, maybe, but it would be more of a committee feel than authoritarian.

This is way hypothetical and is not factoring in existing GoR, but I would think a UT move to the SEC would immediately trigger Oklahoma, as well, leaving any spots beyond 16 as merely icing on the cake. If absolutely no schools from North Carolina or Virginia will come to the SEC, then I think it would be time to double up in existing footprint states and completely own the South. Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, and either Louisville or Oklahoma State should be invited at that point to make 20. The U dangling down in Miami makes as much difference as TCU and Baylor being in Texas but not in the same league as UT or TAMU. If the NC and VA schools have second thoughts down the road, the SEC could always add 4 schools from those states and create more of a league than a conference. The Big 10 could easily do the same thing by absorbing the more northern ACC schools that qualify as well as Kansas and Iowa State.

Exactly! Then what He1nous and I have talked about would become the emphasis, internal conference championship playoffs. Even at 24 you could still have divisions of 6 and play only your conference in season. 5 divisional games for a divisional round robin and one entire other division which rotates to get to 11, and 1 permanent rival for the even dozen. Every game every week would be television worthy. The Big 10 (the greater North would produce a champion, the PAC (the greater West would produce a champion) and the SEC (the greater South would produce a champion) and 1 at large team could be selected. Those four would play for the National Championship. The bowls would be more compelling because none of the conferences will have met in the regular season lending a greater mystery to the contests which would permit them to remain compelling for everyone.

During the season most away games would be doable for the 20,000 or so SEC fans that travel to away games. The conference playoffs would have tremendous regional appeal for attendance. And the only truly big road game would still be the championship game both for the conference and for the National championship.
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Obviously the one team we will fight to the death to keep out is UT.

Aside from all the obvious reasons, they are a cancer on everything they touch and no amount of money is worth their arrogance and need to control everything and everyone around them.
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(09-11-2013 05:54 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Obviously the one team we will fight to the death to keep out is UT.

Aside from all the obvious reasons, they are a cancer on everything they touch and no amount of money is worth their arrogance and need to control everything and everyone around them.
DITTO... I think Mizzou is right with you on this position.
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(09-11-2013 07:42 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 05:54 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Obviously the one team we will fight to the death to keep out is UT.

Aside from all the obvious reasons, they are a cancer on everything they touch and no amount of money is worth their arrogance and need to control everything and everyone around them.
DITTO... I think Mizzou is right with you on this position.

Pretty sure you could add Arkansas to that list as well. I would also find it hard to believe that everyone else could be tallied in the pro-Texas voting line up. Some? Maybe. All? No way. Texas wouldn't be willing to put up and shut up in the SEC either considering how badly their football program is performing.
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I don't see either side (SEC West or UT/OU) wanting it.

It makes the SEC West way to blood thirsty for either side to stand and OU/UT don't want to lose their cat bird seats.

I think given the choice they want either a B1G Western or PAC Eastern division that would be more conducive to their goals
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10th and Medic, I understand where you are coming from based on your history with UT. However, based on your 1 1/2 years of experience in the SEC, which school calls the shots in this league? I think you would be hard pressed to identify a school or even handful of schools that obviously call the shots. Is there some backroom negotiations and compromises that are being made? Definitely, but no one trumps. Case in point: Nick Saban wants a 9 game conference schedule. They are a dynasty right now as much as any program in any sport in recent memory. What does the rest of the SEC think about 9 games? 1-13. No one else wants it, so no one else votes for it. I think you would be surprised by how Texas would have to line up if they came into the SEC. Each school can be themselves. For example, 10th, TAMU fans are more chirpy than what we are used to, and it is definitely a Texas thing. No big deal... we actually love it. It provides another unique layer of "Southern".

I guess what I am saying is remember how you felt in the Big 12 and compare it to now in the SEC. Has your administration and fans had to adjust their outlook? In the Big 12 last year, Texas earned $163 million, Oklahoma earned $106 million, and the next highest is Oklahoma State at $84 million. In the SEC, 9 schools earn more than Oklahoma State. 3 of those schools earn more than Oklahoma (Alabama, Florida, LSU) and Auburn and Tennessee are basically tied with them. I know money isn't everything, but consider that the non-SEC/Big 12 schools that fill out the top 10 revenue schools are Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State... revenue is a pretty good indicator of power in college athletics.

Also, consider that an add of Texas would, at the least, mean a 16 school conference. More likely it would be on the way to 18 or 20 teams. Good luck to anyone trying to corral that big of a group and make them bend the knee.
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All good points, but when it comes right down to it, we don't want them in the SEC because we dont want to give up the unique advantage in recruiting and perception that being the only TX SEC school gives us. Not being the only game in town that can offer the SEC would hurt the incredible progress we've made in just a short time. Asking us to approve UT is asking us to hurt our program. We might not win that vote by ourselves but will do anything possible to prevent it.

Same reason USC would fight adding Clemson

Same reason Florida would fight adding FSU

Same reason UK would fight adding Louisville.

All those teams would provide a lot of value to the SEC but would hurt the one school/state team already here.
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(09-12-2013 10:04 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  All good points, but when it comes right down to it, we don't want them in the SEC because we dont want to give up the unique advantage in recruiting and perception that being the only TX SEC school gives us. Not being the only game in town that can offer the SEC would hurt the incredible progress we've made in just a short time. Asking us to approve UT is asking us to hurt our program. We might not win that vote by ourselves but will do anything possible to prevent it.

Same reason USC would fight adding Clemson

Same reason Florida would fight adding FSU

Same reason UK would fight adding Louisville.

All those teams would provide a lot of value to the SEC but would hurt the one school/state team already here.

I certainly see where you are coming from and would have wholeheartedly agreed with that up until the state of Alabama won the last 4 national titles. I think the SEC has proven over the last decade that increased competition sharpens everyone. That is part of what I love about LSU. They always play one of the toughest SEC schedules because of their crossover with Florida, but they still play a very quality OOC opponent each year. They are ready to take on all comers.

I would be interested to hear from JR on this... do you see the shared spotlight of the SEC in the state as an advantage or disadvantage to Bama and Auburn? As I've said before, I believe either school would be successful in another conference like the ACC. As an Auburn fan, though, do you wish Auburn was the only Alabama school in the SEC? Your state is the best comparison for the UT/TAMU conundrum.
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But what about UK?

Louisville is riding high after their incredible athletics year in 12. BCS Win, MNC in BB and CWS run and would be a big pick up for the SEC in all those sports.

Would UK welcome Louisville with open arms knowing that giving them access to the SEC's brand would help the conference but most likely hurt their own program?
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(09-12-2013 09:08 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  10th and Medic, I understand where you are coming from based on your history with UT. However, based on your 1 1/2 years of experience in the SEC, which school calls the shots in this league? I think you would be hard pressed to identify a school or even handful of schools that obviously call the shots. Is there some backroom negotiations and compromises that are being made? Definitely, but no one trumps. Case in point: Nick Saban wants a 9 game conference schedule. They are a dynasty right now as much as any program in any sport in recent memory. What does the rest of the SEC think about 9 games? 1-13. No one else wants it, so no one else votes for it. I think you would be surprised by how Texas would have to line up if they came into the SEC. Each school can be themselves. For example, 10th, TAMU fans are more chirpy than what we are used to, and it is definitely a Texas thing. No big deal... we actually love it. It provides another unique layer of "Southern".

I guess what I am saying is remember how you felt in the Big 12 and compare it to now in the SEC. Has your administration and fans had to adjust their outlook? In the Big 12 last year, Texas earned $163 million, Oklahoma earned $106 million, and the next highest is Oklahoma State at $84 million. In the SEC, 9 schools earn more than Oklahoma State. 3 of those schools earn more than Oklahoma (Alabama, Florida, LSU) and Auburn and Tennessee are basically tied with them. I know money isn't everything, but consider that the non-SEC/Big 12 schools that fill out the top 10 revenue schools are Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State... revenue is a pretty good indicator of power in college athletics.

Also, consider that an add of Texas would, at the least, mean a 16 school conference. More likely it would be on the way to 18 or 20 teams. Good luck to anyone trying to corral that big of a group and make them bend the knee.

The following remarks are not doom & gloom, but they are reflective of realistic trends in the coming decades. Cost of competition will become an issue as travel expenses rise. Those costs will affect the fans as much, if not a bit more, than it affects the schools. Playing strong rivals within a reasonable driving distance will eventually trump academic peer status.

As the our country continues to assimilate different cultures and as state laws continue to diverge from one another, and because of the high cost of travel, regionalism will become more important because of cultural fit of the fan base and student body than because of academic outlook.

Because the debt strapped economies of states and the Federal government are not going to disappear for decades, games that yield the most profits will be preferred as a rule over fluff games and big name games that will require expensive travel. This again points toward future regionalism.

Now while some might argue that this means conference size will devolve back into 10 team groupings, I think not. Each conference generally absorbs the share of 1 conference team for operations. For those of you who think that 14 teams are too many and that 20 is impossible, I think you are overlooking yet another compelling financial reason for growing, the elimination of what amounts to 1/10 or 1/12 of the overhead preventing your school from making more money. Add that to the internal playoff revenue of such a structure and the enticement to go large is even greater.

Then there are those who say that big name schools won't want to join the SEC because their chance of winning the national title will be gone. This is another flawed understanding of what is actually happening. We are moving closer and closer to deciding the championship on the field. The days of 3 patsies, 1 name brand OOC game, and a conference championship as the best path to the national title are about to be over. In the future there will be much less of a beauty pageant. The new game will be winning your division. Divisional titles will buy your ticket to the playoff. So if you are Texas or Oklahoma and you desire to play big rivals who are close to home would you rather play Baylor, T.C.U., Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State every year and try to get your fans jazzed about that, or would you rather play Arkansas, Texas A&M, L.S.U., and Missouri? In the old system you needed to go undefeated if possible. In the new system all you have to do is win your division. Patsies won't mean a damned thing in the new system. The 4 or 5 divisional games will mean everything. And quite frankly that is how it should always have been.

So what I am saying is that in the new mega conference your division will become the equivalent of the really old 7 and 8 team regional conference. 4 such regional divisions will equal the mega conference. The crossover play will provide all of the names you need to maximize attendance and keep media interest peaked. Your pathway to a championship will be well defined and your destiny will always be in your own hands. Add to this that your overhead will be less, and potential earnings higher and I just don't get the irrational knee jerk reactions to the prospect of an all star 20 or 24 team SEC. It will only provide better football, basketball, and baseball, and every other sport for that matter, make our schools more economically viable in the process, and provide what will finally be a fair path to championships in athletics.

And, since we are headed toward regional divisions inside geographically based conferences, why would we want to exclude our fiercest rivals from a system where we are all likely to only play each other?

Face it we got the BCS because the anger of the fans over the obvious media based rigged beauty pageant every year was pissing off the masses of fans who saw it for what it was. The BCS championship means a bit more to me than the old voted by the newspaper titles. The playoff champion will mean even more to me than the BCS championship. We are headed to where we always needed to be.

Your college president and head football coach are business people. If it earns them more to bring Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Virginia, N.C. State and Virginia Tech into the fold they will. This will be especially true if N.C. State, UNC, Viriginia, Virginia Tech, and Kentucky get to play in the same division. By doing this these schools keep their most important teams to play and associate with without having to worry that they will be pieced out to several conferences. Why would they choose that over a sprawling conference with which they had little in common. The ACC always talks about their terrific footprint, but it is also their greatest weakness. What does Georgia Tech and Clemson have in common with Pittsburgh or Boston College? Yeah you are going to say academics, but beyond similar academic pursuits what do they have in common? Nothing. We are talking sports. I doubt someone in Clemson gets worked up about the Eagles. Sports passions are local first, regional second, and national last. Why should sports associations dictate who can and can't associate academically? Why should academic associations determine who you can and can't play athletically? They shouldn't and that's going to have to go as well. But for now one issue at a time.

It is illogical for Texas and Oklahoma to move their play to the West coast or to the North if they can play regionally. If anything happens to the Big 12 the SEC is actually the only practical solution to their problem. And if we move to 3 mega conferences it would be stupid for Georgia Tech, Clemson, and Florida State to play in the Big 10. The economy and higher travel costs will eventually dictate a pan regional approach in spite of what academicians, network executives, and head coaches want. It will be cheaper and less painful while changes are being made to go ahead and just go there rather than having to change course again in 20 years.
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(09-12-2013 10:25 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  But what about UK?

Louisville is riding high after their incredible athletics year in 12. BCS Win, MNC in BB and CWS run and would be a big pick up for the SEC in all those sports.

Would UK welcome Louisville with open arms knowing that giving them access to the SEC's brand would help the conference but most likely hurt their own program?

Louisville's academics are not up to snuff, but if the rest of the SEC wanted them, I feel that Kentucky would embrace it in the same way that any other in-state conference rivals view it; a love to hate relationship. When Louisville is good, it makes Kentucky better. The inverse is true, too, because Louisville is perpetually trying to be better than UK, which they succeeded in doing last year in athletics. Believe me, the firing of Joker Phillips was as much about embarrassment compared to Louisville as it was the embarrassment compared to other SEC schools. Remember, Joker defeated Tennessee as well as a Steve Spurrier coach team for the first time in forever. Knowing that Louisville is lurking all the time in basketball is also strong motivation.

Additionally, remember that any move to increase the SEC membership is going to result in an increased importance on playing conference mates and significantly lessening the amount of OOC games in all sports. The bottom line is that Kentucky wants to play Louisville. If that means that we need to be in the same conference, so be it. Perhaps that is a way to look at it; is playing UT during each regular season in all sports a priority for TAMU? I know the answer right now from people close to the situation could be "no", but think decades down the road. Is it in the best interests of both schools to compete? The same question will need to be asked by Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina about their in-state OOC rivals.

As the BIG, SEC, and probably PAC continue to potentially grow and become more like leagues than conferences, decisions will need to be made. Heck, this offseason, people asked UK, UF, UGA, and USC if their OOC rivalries would continue if the SEC moves to more games on the conference schedule, and they were legitimately posed questions. Those schools all had to affirm that they will do what they can to continue them. Even the thought of not continuing them would be absurd just a few years ago. Times are changing, and protecting the most important relationships for each school may require a new strategy.
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(09-12-2013 10:21 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(09-12-2013 10:04 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  All good points, but when it comes right down to it, we don't want them in the SEC because we dont want to give up the unique advantage in recruiting and perception that being the only TX SEC school gives us. Not being the only game in town that can offer the SEC would hurt the incredible progress we've made in just a short time. Asking us to approve UT is asking us to hurt our program. We might not win that vote by ourselves but will do anything possible to prevent it.

Same reason USC would fight adding Clemson

Same reason Florida would fight adding FSU

Same reason UK would fight adding Louisville.

All those teams would provide a lot of value to the SEC but would hurt the one school/state team already here.

I certainly see where you are coming from and would have wholeheartedly agreed with that up until the state of Alabama won the last 4 national titles. I think the SEC has proven over the last decade that increased competition sharpens everyone. That is part of what I love about LSU. They always play one of the toughest SEC schedules because of their crossover with Florida, but they still play a very quality OOC opponent each year. They are ready to take on all comers.

I would be interested to hear from JR on this... do you see the shared spotlight of the SEC in the state as an advantage or disadvantage to Bama and Auburn? As I've said before, I believe either school would be successful in another conference like the ACC. As an Auburn fan, though, do you wish Auburn was the only Alabama school in the SEC? Your state is the best comparison for the UT/TAMU conundrum.

I think I can speak for the very vast majority of Auburn people when I say while we hate Alabama with every fiber of our being, we would hate the thought of being isolated in another conference even more, especially if it potentially robbed us of a chance to beat those mothers in Tuscaloosa at anything. Auburn and Alabama's hate for one another have helped us both to be where we are. It's an annual duel that defines both schools. Even Coach Bryant never permitted a practice to go by without talking about Auburn. He and Shug Jordan helped to build the rivalry to where it is today. It was good for both schools and great for the state.

If I were an Aggie I would want to play those uppity S.O.*'s every chance I could get until the overall record was evened and then tipped in A&M's favor so I could rub their entitled noses in their deficiencies every chance I got.
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JR, as usual, well thought out and agreed on all points. What do you think, 10th and Medic?

Also, Heinous, is the B1G thinking in these general "region" terms, as well?
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Maybe we would lose that vote but being the only SEC school in TX is too good to let go without a fight.

Right now almost every Aggie under 40 (vast majority if our fans) would eagerly trade never playing UT again for keeping them out if the SEC

I also think that is a negotiating point with us for the conference.

If they said "we really have to have another Texas school" then we would probably agree in return for a large say in who it is. I think we would agree to either TCU or SMU since they accomplish the goal of bringing the SEC directly into the DFW market to challenge the B12's capital city while not being a big threat to A&M most years.

I know many have laughed at my idea of adding SMU but I think they have a ton of upside (DEEP pockets, located in Dallas, great academics and upgrading basketball big time) that would benefit the SEC tremendously if another western/TX team is needed
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RE: Realignment End Game Scenarios:
(09-12-2013 11:32 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Maybe we would lose that vote but being the only SEC school in TX is too good to let go without a fight.

Right now almost every Aggie under 40 (vast majority if our fans) would eagerly trade never playing UT again for keeping them out if the SEC

I also think that is a negotiating point with us for the conference.

If they said "we really have to have another Texas school" then we would probably agree in return for a large say in who it is. I think we would agree to either TCU or SMU since they accomplish the goal of bringing the SEC directly into the DFW market to challenge the B12's capital city while not being a big threat to A&M most years.

I know many have laughed at my idea of adding SMU but I think they have a ton of upside (DEEP pockets, located in Dallas, great academics and upgrading basketball big time) that would benefit the SEC tremendously if another western/TX team is needed
I see no scenario where Texas enters the SEC. I agree with 10th that the Aggies being the only SEC school is a major bonus for them. Missouri is just tired of the little sister comments that came from Texas as well as Nebraska. We are not treated that way now in the SEC. There is actually a little respect. I want no part of Texas in the SEC. They will do the same damage in the SEC they did after their invite to the Big Eight. They made their bed. Let them sleep in it... They aren't as content as they say.
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RE: Realignment End Game Scenarios:
(09-12-2013 11:29 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  JR, as usual, well thought out and agreed on all points. What do you think, 10th and Medic?

Also, Heinous, is the B1G thinking in these general "region" terms, as well?

I'm sorry, catch me up bigblue. What do you mean by general region terms?
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RE: Realignment End Game Scenarios:
While I completely with going to 15 or 18 and can be sold on 20 or 24, Its just hard to envision a scenario where Texas makes the SEC 'better'. There is no debate regarding their on/off field value, but as previously mentioned, the SEC already makes plenty of money as well as legitimate football credibility.

Its why in this game of Stratego I content that if the B12 goes down, then Texas needs to go either to the PAC or the ACC. The B1G and the SEC have plenty of programs able to validate the their respective football chops while the other two are somewhat lacking.
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