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RE: Realignment End Game Scenarios:
(09-12-2013 07:53 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(09-12-2013 11:29 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  JR, as usual, well thought out and agreed on all points. What do you think, 10th and Medic?

Also, Heinous, is the B1G thinking in these general "region" terms, as well?

I'm sorry, catch me up bigblue. What do you mean by general region terms?

The general conversation has been that the SEC could (and I and JR are arguing "should") take a more regional approach by essentially owning the South (Texoma to the Virginia's), which would mean around 24 teams. At that point, the SEC is more of a conference than a league. The regular season would likely be composed exclusively of competing against other SEC schools, and the postseason of pretty much all the sports is when we would see competition against the other conferences. Would the B1G be open to that idea? You could immediately add Kansas, Iowa State, Pittsburgh and likely UVA under your current entrance requirements, and a strong argument could be put forth for Notre Dame, Boston College, and Syracuse. The PAC would likely survive, too, and make some compromises by taking BYU, Texas Tech, TCU, etc. It would end up looking more like baseball of old where the National and American Leagues only met for All-Star games (similar to bowl games now) and the World Series (similar to the playoffs now). Many, including me, would contest that the mystery and intrigue of the season ending clash between leagues/conferences that had not played all season is what drove so much of the interest and venom, which is great for the game.

Basically, can you see the B1G making such a regional move by taking in schools like Iowa State and Pittsburgh in order to make such a league work? The SEC would be taking in FSU, Clemson, Ga. Tech, and other "doubling" of existing state footprints, but the long term benefits, in my opinion, would greatly outweigh the short term deficit in revenue splitting.
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RE: Realignment End Game Scenarios:
(09-13-2013 09:21 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(09-12-2013 07:53 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(09-12-2013 11:29 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  JR, as usual, well thought out and agreed on all points. What do you think, 10th and Medic?

Also, Heinous, is the B1G thinking in these general "region" terms, as well?

I'm sorry, catch me up bigblue. What do you mean by general region terms?

The general conversation has been that the SEC could (and I and JR are arguing "should") take a more regional approach by essentially owning the South (Texoma to the Virginia's), which would mean around 24 teams. At that point, the SEC is more of a conference than a league. The regular season would likely be composed exclusively of competing against other SEC schools, and the postseason of pretty much all the sports is when we would see competition against the other conferences. Would the B1G be open to that idea? You could immediately add Kansas, Iowa State, Pittsburgh and likely UVA under your current entrance requirements, and a strong argument could be put forth for Notre Dame, Boston College, and Syracuse. The PAC would likely survive, too, and make some compromises by taking BYU, Texas Tech, TCU, etc. It would end up looking more like baseball of old where the National and American Leagues only met for All-Star games (similar to bowl games now) and the World Series (similar to the playoffs now). Many, including me, would contest that the mystery and intrigue of the season ending clash between leagues/conferences that had not played all season is what drove so much of the interest and venom, which is great for the game.

Basically, can you see the B1G making such a regional move by taking in schools like Iowa State and Pittsburgh in order to make such a league work? The SEC would be taking in FSU, Clemson, Ga. Tech, and other "doubling" of existing state footprints, but the long term benefits, in my opinion, would greatly outweigh the short term deficit in revenue splitting.

Ahh, my answer to that question would have to be no. It is no when you consider what it takes to get to 24 in what is now considered The Big Ten's region. The Big Ten would want to expand their region, not hunker down.
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I was listening to a podcast today, and have you all heard that the University of Buffalo is looking to rebrand as the "New York Bulls"? http://blogs.buffalonews.com/campus/2013...stion.html

I also heard that the Buffalo Bills and University of Buffalo are working on potentially building a new football stadium that both teams would utilize. If the B1G is prepping Buffalo for admission down the road, this is definitely the way to do it.
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RE: Realignment End Game Scenarios:
(09-18-2013 11:37 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  I was listening to a podcast today, and have you all heard that the University of Buffalo is looking to rebrand as the "New York Bulls"? http://blogs.buffalonews.com/campus/2013...stion.html

I also heard that the Buffalo Bills and University of Buffalo are working on potentially building a new football stadium that both teams would utilize. If the B1G is prepping Buffalo for admission down the road, this is definitely the way to do it.

I heard that from another source on this board (one that I trust) about 4 months ago. So I have two questions. 1. If the Big 10 is preparing for that kind of a risky move and I do believe they have had talks with Connecticut as well what does that tell you about their real prospects of landing Texas, Virginia, Duke, North Carolina, or Oklahoma? 2. What does that tell you about the number of institutions they may be seeking?

If the Buffalo talk is true it tells me their options are much more limited than many believe. It also tells me that away from the city of New York that college football may be more popular in the Empire state than many may think. It could be a huge blunder, but I don't think so. It also tells me that the likelihood of an ACC demise is far from imminent (and that possibly Maryland is not a done deal, which also explains why the ACC stands at 14 + 1). That means the total number of teams that Delany is looking at is somewhere between a likely 16 and a somewhat less likely 18. I think Kansas and Connecticut are likely additions to 16 (if Maryland sticks). Buffalo and Toronto may be in development. It also tells me Oklahoma is a no go.

And, when I say that the Big 10's options may be more limited let it be clearly understood that those options are limited by decisions made within the governing body of the Big 10 and not by the disinterest of potential candidates. Why Maryland in the first place? The Big 10 wanted inside the Beltway and knew that Virginia was not likely. It had a good history of rivalry with Penn State and was insurance there. It had a financial need making the lure of money a more likely acquisition track, and they thought they could get out for 20 million. Rutgers was a logical target anyway as a large State university and an AAU school of renown. The Buffalo and UConn talk could be for development in the future, or in the case of Connecticut a fallback position should legal entanglements with Maryland become too convoluted to overcome. While I believe the Maryland deal will go through it is still wise to have a plan B.
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Right, the assumption that college football doesn't work in the state of New York forgets that they have only Syracuse for major conference representation. I think it is a great move in the next 8 to 10 years for the B1G or whenever it is feasible.
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Sounds like a nice backup plan but if you think this is what the Big Ten is looking at in current times right before the big January meeting, then I think you are being a bit....hopeful. 07-coffee3
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RE: Realignment End Game Scenarios:
(09-18-2013 08:15 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Sounds like a nice backup plan but if you think this is what the Big Ten is looking at in current times right before the big January meeting, then I think you are being a bit....hopeful. 07-coffee3

So H1 what's your latest information? You did know that the Dude is now saying Texas to the ACC with a Notre Dame deal? That could be the kiss of death for that idea. Oh, and some inarticulate clod on his show said that Oklahoma and Kansas were going to the Big 10. So that must not be true either.
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RE: Realignment End Game Scenarios:
(09-18-2013 08:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-18-2013 08:15 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Sounds like a nice backup plan but if you think this is what the Big Ten is looking at in current times right before the big January meeting, then I think you are being a bit....hopeful. 07-coffee3
So H1 what's your latest information? You did know that the Dude is now saying Texas to the ACC with a Notre Dame deal? That could be the kiss of death for that idea. Oh, and some inarticulate clod on his show said that Oklahoma and Kansas were going to the Big 10. So that must not be true either.
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(09-18-2013 08:15 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Sounds like a nice backup plan but if you think this is what the Big Ten is looking at in current times right before the big January meeting, then I think you are being a bit....hopeful. 07-coffee3

January of 2020 maybe... I think it is a great long term plan for the B1G. Buffalo has the hardest part done already, which is great academics, AAU status, and the best claim to be the flagship school of New York. Additionally, they are not tied up by a GoR from a major conference. If there was ever a grooming opportunity, Buffalo is it.
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RE: Realignment End Game Scenarios:
(09-18-2013 08:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-18-2013 08:15 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Sounds like a nice backup plan but if you think this is what the Big Ten is looking at in current times right before the big January meeting, then I think you are being a bit....hopeful. 07-coffee3

So H1 what's your latest information? You did know that the Dude is now saying Texas to the ACC with a Notre Dame deal? That could be the kiss of death for that idea. Oh, and some inarticulate clod on his show said that Oklahoma and Kansas were going to the Big 10. So that must not be true either.

Yeah, I don't know. It seems that quite often he says things similar to what I theorize and he does so after I do. Whether that means he has somebody whispering in his ear these things that are possible? Who knows. Maybe they read my stuff and then tell him just to mess with him. Maybe he reads my stuff and uses it to get attention. Maybe there is actually something to it. Who knows.

I come up with my theories on my own without any outside help and despite what anyone else may think of them.
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(09-19-2013 09:21 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(09-18-2013 08:15 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Sounds like a nice backup plan but if you think this is what the Big Ten is looking at in current times right before the big January meeting, then I think you are being a bit....hopeful. 07-coffee3

January of 2020 maybe... I think it is a great long term plan for the B1G. Buffalo has the hardest part done already, which is great academics, AAU status, and the best claim to be the flagship school of New York. Additionally, they are not tied up by a GoR from a major conference. If there was ever a grooming opportunity, Buffalo is it.

As I already said though, that is a nice backup plan but it is FAR too early for anything like that. Taking Buffalo at this point would basically cause any other opportunities to fade away. Good luck getting enough Presidents to say ok to Buffalo too. Not very many folks seem to understand how to properly gauge AAU status and just how much it matters to actually getting an invite. Buffalo is not Maryland and it is not Rutgers, it is no where near. It can't claim EVER to be the flagship. The funding is far too spread out and it's location will NEVER allow it to be claimed by populations on the opposite side of the State. The cultures of those areas are far too different. It is a losing proposition but it makes for WONDERFUL smokescreen cover.
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RE: Realignment End Game Scenarios:
(09-20-2013 07:42 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(09-18-2013 08:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-18-2013 08:15 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Sounds like a nice backup plan but if you think this is what the Big Ten is looking at in current times right before the big January meeting, then I think you are being a bit....hopeful. 07-coffee3

So H1 what's your latest information? You did know that the Dude is now saying Texas to the ACC with a Notre Dame deal? That could be the kiss of death for that idea. Oh, and some inarticulate clod on his show said that Oklahoma and Kansas were going to the Big 10. So that must not be true either.

Yeah, I don't know. It seems that quite often he says things similar to what I theorize and he does so after I do. Whether that means he has somebody whispering in his ear these things that are possible? Who knows. Maybe they read my stuff and then tell him just to mess with him. Maybe he reads my stuff and uses it to get attention. Maybe there is actually something to it. Who knows.

I come up with my theories on my own without any outside help and despite what anyone else may think of them.
I know you do. He1nous, a couple of years ago I posted on the guys site (when he had one) only to see a version of what I had said come bubbling back up a few months later. It got funnier when someone else down South picked it up and ran with it claiming it as his own. It's like the game of rumors. Guys browse this site and then re-post the ideas on other sites sometimes giving credit (like an FSU site once did with one of my posts) or simply claiming it as their own. Either way it is what it is. Things I read stimulate my thought and theories too. The fun of it is in seeing what comes true, not seeing what gets whipped into a rumor souffle. The hybrid theory is a good one in that it takes into account the nature of Texas, ESPN's role in it, and the ACC's need.

I listened to that podcast in part. I got bored. His so called Big 10 insider was a poor speaker who wasn't totally commanding with his recall or in his ability to keep his story straight. He didn't impress me as the kind of guy who would be a knowledgeable booster. He sounded like he came from Moe's Bar and Grill on the Simpsons. I bet he read your ideas on the Blue and Gold and the two of them cooked up the story for hits. Oh well "Bon Jure"! I'm a French model. Everything on the internet is true.
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