I can't recall the last time that happened. I know Mouzy got close to it against Oral Roberts the year he fell off the turnip truck. Can anyone recall any Trojan player scoring 30 or more going back to the Newell days?

no

Surely James Scott did a few times. Didn't Freeman do it once? Or JJ?

Highest Single-Game
Scoring Performances
47 Tom Brown vs. Southern (1-26-76)

46 Carl Brown vs. Centenary (2-9-89)

44 Ken Dancy vs. Dillard (2-7-77)

41 Mike Rivers vs. Centenary (1-20-83)

39 Carl Brown vs. Texas-San Antonio (3-7-90)
Charlie Johnson vs. Coll. of the Ozarks (1-27-72)

38 Brandon Freeman at Fla. International (1-30-05)
Rod Wade vs. Hardin-Simmons (2-22-90)
Tom Brown vs. UAPB (2-21-76)
John Walker vs. Hendrix (2-7-72)

37 Brandon Freeman vs. SAU (11-20-04)
Tony Martin vs. Western Kentucky (3-1-93)
Pete Myers vs. Georgia State (2-24-86)

36 Laverne Smith vs. Louisiana Tech (2-12-00)
Derek Fisher vs. South Alabama (1-30-95)
Tony Martin vs. Lamar (2-20-92)
David Hall vs. Georgia State (2-15-90)
Michael Clarke vs. Samford (1-5-85)
Ken Dancy vs. Southern (12-17-77)

35 Freddie Morgan vs. Southern (11-30-88)
James Scott vs. Georgia State (1-21-88)
Michael Clarke vs. Mercer (1-26-85)
Tom Brown vs. Lincoln (1-10-76)
John Walker vs. Harding (2-22-72)
John Walker vs. C.B.C. (1-22-72)
John Walker vs. Southwestern (1-7-72)

We have had 26 games of 35 points or more. Record is 47 by Tom Brown. Most recent Brandon Freeman (37) in 2004.

So if I'm correct, all but one, Brandon Freeman, was before the Shields era.

(09-12-2013 12:28 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  So if I'm correct, all but one, Brandon Freeman, was before the Shields era.

Seems like the game has changed. More emphasis on defense and team play. How often do you see players score more than 30 in a competitive within conference game? I'm not talking about scoring more than 30 against a far lesser opponent (i.e. UALR vs. UAFS; Kentucky vs. UALR). The typical conference basketball game, these days, is probably in the mid to low 70's (ex. 76-72). Tough to score 30 in those types of games.

(09-12-2013 03:32 PM)mjs Wrote:  Seems like the game has changed.

Don't blame this one just on Shields. The game has changed. Of the top 25 single season scoring averages all-time, only one since Glenn Robinson of Purdue in 1994 was Stephen Curry in 2009. That means that in the last 18 years, only one person has been in the top 25.

If you watch film of Pete Maravich, you don't see much of the physical, lock-down type defense we see today.

That was the 5 ot game that b free scored 38.

(09-12-2013 03:52 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 03:32 PM)mjs Wrote:  Seems like the game has changed.

Don't blame this one just on Shields. The game has changed. Of the top 25 single season scoring averages all-time, only one since Glenn Robinson of Purdue in 1994 was Stephen Curry in 2009. That means that in the last 18 years, only one person has been in the top 25.

If you watch film of Pete Maravich, you don't see much of the physical, lock-down type defense we see today.

Has nothing to do with Shields. You may know better than me (or most on the board), but is our team scoring average significantly lower than the typical DI team? I would think not, but don't really know.

Mjs I think you have said in the past that your wife always wonder why shields subs out players that are hot. I have seen it time and time again where we have a player in a zone and then shields subs them out. When they come back in they usually go cold. The only person that usually can stop a player that is hot is usually shields who subs them out. I don't think I ever seen coaches sub out hot players until I seem shields do it over and over.

(09-12-2013 05:28 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 03:52 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 03:32 PM)mjs Wrote:  Seems like the game has changed.

Don't blame this one just on Shields. The game has changed. Of the top 25 single season scoring averages all-time, only one since Glenn Robinson of Purdue in 1994 was Stephen Curry in 2009. That means that in the last 18 years, only one person has been in the top 25.

If you watch film of Pete Maravich, you don't see much of the physical, lock-down type defense we see today.

Has nothing to do with Shields. You may know better than me (or most on the board), but is our team scoring average significantly lower than the typical DI team? I would think not, but don't really know.

I wonder how often we'd get pizza (scoring 100+) points per game if Newell was the coach today. Probably not a lot. Newell's team's highest point total in a conference (non overtime) game last season was 78 points. I doubt defense is any better at the DII than DI level. The game has changed. Probably for the worse, for folks who like a lot of scoring.

I think it has more to do with he best players do not stay past their freshmen year. Can you imagine if lebron or Kobe played college ball and they stayed to at least their jr year. I have no doubt they would have broken scoring records.

I didn't mean "average" 30 points a game. I just meant have at least one game where a player scored 30 or more points.

(09-12-2013 05:37 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  Mjs I think you have said in the past that your wife always wonder why shields subs out players that are hot. I have seen it time and time again where we have a player in a zone and then shields subs them out. When they come back in they usually go cold. The only person that usually can stop a player that is hot is usually shields who subs them out. I don't think I ever seen coaches sub out hot players until I seem shields do it over and over.

That has puzzled all of us, I think.

(09-12-2013 05:37 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  Mjs I think you have said in the past that your wife always wonder why shields subs out players that are hot. I have seen it time and time again where we have a player in a zone and then shields subs them out. When they come back in they usually go cold. The only person that usually can stop a player that is hot is usually shields who subs them out. I don't think I ever seen coaches sub out hot players until I seem shields do it over and over.

You have brought up one of the big mysteries of life. I have also seen this happen many times, and I think LRTrojan and probably others including Inside will attest to it. It is very exciting to the fans when a player gets hot and starts hitting a succession of shots. It cools the entire arena when that player is suddenly taken out of the game for no reason.

I'm sure Steve has a reason. I just don't know what it is. Maybe he's concerned that the player will expend so much energy on offense during that time that he won't be able to play good defense. That's the only thing I can think of. And from his perspective maybe it's a useful strategy. Maybe the player has a defensive lapse, and that's why he takes him out. Sort of like when your kids were little and they walked into your bedroom at an inappropriate moment. It sort of cools your enthusiasm for the moment.

Here is a wild guess. Maybe he is tied too much into a formula of substitution. He decides before the game what the substitution pattern needs to be in minutes played, and sticks too rigidly to it. Sort of like baseball managers with a pitch count. But then you think that Zack Graber played all the minutes in that 5 OT game, so that does not fit.

Pappy I think that is it. Also that he scripts the first several plays of the game. That's why we always start slow because its too much thinking and not much playing with instincts. Over the years I thought he would start being more flexible but I don't that is shields personality to adapt to the players he has and not stick with a system that doesn't fit the players you have.

(09-12-2013 07:38 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  I didn't mean "average" 30 points a game. I just meant have at least one game where a player scored 30 or more points.

I think that's what we were all responding to. We could have a player score 30 against UAFS, SAU, or Grambling. But, Steve will use his whole bench during those games, as he should, and thus no one will score a ton of points.

(09-12-2013 05:37 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  Mjs I think you have said in the past that your wife always wonder why shields subs out players that are hot. I have seen it time and time again where we have a player in a zone and then shields subs them out. When they come back in they usually go cold. The only person that usually can stop a player that is hot is usually shields who subs them out. I don't think I ever seen coaches sub out hot players until I seem shields do it over and over.

Not sure that I've noticed this all that much. But, I have often wondered about the strange combinations we sometimes have on the floor- I'll often look and say "who do we have out there who can score?"