US weapons stolen in Libya raids, fueling Special Forces pull-out

We are so dumb. Letting the Libians secure these weapons. Another first for the Obama Administration.

There is equivalent Russian gear available on the open market.

(09-11-2013 04:07 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  There is equivalent Russian gear available on the open market.

Why buy, when the better US gear is free.

Just another example of my question that you fools refuse to answer:

Do we pour in thousands more troops and money to secure things like these as well as our people all over the world, or do we bring everybody home?

But instead of discussing and answering, we go all partisan when something goes awry and call our military folks "dumb".

Where are the answers on Benghazi, clown. Oh, I forgot, you still think it was the video.

(09-11-2013 04:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just another example of my question that you fools refuse to answer:

Do we pour in thousands more troops and money to secure things like these as well as our people all over the world, or do we bring everybody home?

But instead of discussing and answering, we go all partisan when something goes awry and call our military folks "dumb".

"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers."

It's not the military leaders who are the dumb ones. Look a bit higher.

So, you advocate for extreme isolationism? Nice deflection, BTW.

(09-11-2013 04:41 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 04:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just another example of my question that you fools refuse to answer:

Do we pour in thousands more troops and money to secure things like these as well as our people all over the world, or do we bring everybody home?

But instead of discussing and answering, we go all partisan when something goes awry and call our military folks "dumb".

"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers."

It's not the military leaders who are the dumb ones. Look a bit higher.

So, you advocate for extreme isolationism? Nice deflection, BTW.

Wrong again fool. I advocated for discussion. Read again.

(09-11-2013 04:29 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Where are the answers on Benghazi, clown. Oh, I forgot, you still think it was the video.

Still wrong about everything fool. Go ask Niner. I said from Day 1 this was a terrorist attack.

You just can't stop using your fox 'news' talking points can you?

Consider yourself clowned!

(09-11-2013 04:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 04:41 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 04:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just another example of my question that you fools refuse to answer:

Do we pour in thousands more troops and money to secure things like these as well as our people all over the world, or do we bring everybody home?

But instead of discussing and answering, we go all partisan when something goes awry and call our military folks "dumb".

"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers."

It's not the military leaders who are the dumb ones. Look a bit higher.

So, you advocate for extreme isolationism? Nice deflection, BTW.

Wrong again fool. I advocated for discussion. Read again.

Us fools refuse to engage in discussions when the Q. as framed is two false choices when there are many. We reject the premise of your silly Q.

Discussion is for a debating society like the U.N. Nothing gets done there unless America does it. But then, your two false choices leave out a lot of middle ground. It's unlikely that any discussion of your issue would yield anything productive in D.C. anyways. Your hero thinks he can do whatever he wants no matter what Congress says - what bothers him is not being seen as the savior.

Ultimately, the people will decide this one and on Syria, the people are against it. We'll see what happens.

(09-11-2013 04:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Do we pour in thousands more troops and money to secure things like these as well as our people all over the world, or do we bring everybody home?

I think it is time to accept the inevitability that these weapons fall into the hands of terrorists. Just one SAM attack on a passenger jet is enough to break this fragile American economy. And it will happen.

So believing as such, I think it is time to bring back the vast majority of troops from the vast majority of overseas bases. We have over 200,000 troops in up to 150 different states across the globe in 2013. I won't pretend to tell you what number is appropriate, nor where they should be based. I imagine some combination of fast attack troops stationed in a few strategic locations should be sufficient, supported by some amount of more regular troops stationed on strategically positioned ships and vessels.

Bring the soldiers back and second them to ICE and BP to secure borders. Bring sailors back and second them to the Coast Guard to secure ports of entry. Bring airmen back and second them to handle all new TSA needs and growth.

We can still bring the fight to the terrorists around the globe, but let Europe arrange their defense. Let Asia arrange their defense. Let the Middle East descend into chaos.

/I know it is not perfect
//Please do not respond with nitpicks
/// Yes, it is hard to reconcile my distrust of a growing American surveillance and police state with bringing troops back to American soil to help policing.

The weapons stolen (if really just M-4's, NVG, and IR targeting lasers) s really no big deal. Nothing classified there.

Hard to imagine a worse foreign policy president than W, but here we are.

(09-11-2013 07:21 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Hard to imagine a worse foreign policy president than W, but here we are.

What the hell does this have to do with a "foreign policy?"

(09-11-2013 04:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just another example of my question that you fools refuse to answer:

Do we pour in thousands more troops and money to secure things like these as well as our people all over the world, or do we bring everybody home?

But instead of discussing and answering, we go all partisan when something goes awry and call our military folks "dumb".

Who called military folks dumb?

And why do you do the very things you go postal about when you think someone else has done it?

F'n hypocrite troll.

(09-12-2013 09:40 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 04:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just another example of my question that you fools refuse to answer:

Do we pour in thousands more troops and money to secure things like these as well as our people all over the world, or do we bring everybody home?

But instead of discussing and answering, we go all partisan when something goes awry and call our military folks "dumb".

Who called military folks dumb?

And why do you do the very things you go postal about when you think someone else has done it?

F'n hypocrite troll.

SumOfAllFears Wrote:We are so dumb

(09-11-2013 07:02 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  The weapons stolen (if really just M-4's, NVG, and IR targeting lasers) s really no big deal. Nothing classified there.

We should give them top of the line weapons... and rig the ammunition to explode in their face.

Since first reading this, it seems to me that Lionel Messi should be afraid... very afraid. It's unlikely that the rebels will have much success randomly targeting people and hoping that a B-2 is overhead at the time. However, if those make it to Camp Nou? Nuke the mother fuckerrs.

On another note, whatever happened to creative thread titles: "Semper Fi Interuptus" would've told us everything we needed to know in the thread title.

(09-12-2013 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 07:21 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Hard to imagine a worse foreign policy president than W, but here we are.

What the hell does this have to do with a "foreign policy?"

Um, Libya isn't in the US?

you fools refuse to answer:
Wrong again fool.
Still wrong about everything fool.

Page 1, 3 posts by Redwingtom, 3 times he calls everyone a fool.

Overkill...you do it well.

(09-12-2013 10:52 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 07:21 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Hard to imagine a worse foreign policy president than W, but here we are.

What the hell does this have to do with a "foreign policy?"

Um, Libya isn't in the US?

Careful, he might come in with some rubbish lies and call you a fool. Again.