Heading into it's game against Illinois this weekend, Cincinnati is 9-1 in its last 10 games versus teams that are now in Power 5 conferences.

2013 - Purdue, W 42-7
2012 - Duke, W 48-34
2012 - Syracuse, W 35-24
2012 - Virginia Tech, W 27-24
2012 - Pitt, W 34-10
2011 - Vanderbilt, W 31-24
2011 - Syracuse, W 30-3
2011 - West Virginia, L 24-21
2011 - Pitt, W 26-23
2011 - NC State, W 44-14

Keep in mind none of these wins occurred during the Brian Kelly era. Not too shabby for a team that's been left behind.

congratz and its a good accomplishment

but that doesnt mean cincy is worthy of a p5 bid

(09-05-2013 01:25 PM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Heading into it's game against Illinois this weekend, Cincinnati is 9-1 in its last 10 games versus teams that are now in Power 5 conferences.

2013 - Purdue, W 42-7
2012 - Duke, W 48-34
2012 - Syracuse, W 35-24
2012 - Virginia Tech, W 27-24
2012 - Pitt, W 34-10
2011 - Vanderbilt, W 31-24
2011 - Syracuse, W 30-3
2011 - West Virginia, L 24-21
2011 - Pitt, W 26-23
2011 - NC State, W 44-14

Keep in mind none of these wins occurred during the Brian Kelly era. Not too shabby for a team that's been left behind.

Just take solace in knowing you are probably up next wave. Who would you honestly believe a conference should have skipped over in order to take Cincinnati? TCU, West Virginia, Louisville, or Rutgers? Not sure you can make a great argument against any of them when all things are considered.

I think I see the issue with the whole Cinci ranking and recognition thing... Since 2010 they've only played one ranked team, and lost to that team. And since the turn of the century, they've played 22 ranked teams and only beat 4 of them. #15, #25, #23, and #12.

Beating Purdue, Duke, and Cuse' isn't that great, but you have to start somewhere I guess.

(09-05-2013 02:05 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 01:25 PM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Heading into it's game against Illinois this weekend, Cincinnati is 9-1 in its last 10 games versus teams that are now in Power 5 conferences.

2013 - Purdue, W 42-7
2012 - Duke, W 48-34
2012 - Syracuse, W 35-24
2012 - Virginia Tech, W 27-24
2012 - Pitt, W 34-10
2011 - Vanderbilt, W 31-24
2011 - Syracuse, W 30-3
2011 - West Virginia, L 24-21
2011 - Pitt, W 26-23
2011 - NC State, W 44-14

Keep in mind none of these wins occurred during the Brian Kelly era. Not too shabby for a team that's been left behind.

Just take solace in knowing you are probably up next wave. Who would you honestly believe a conference should have skipped over in order to take Cincinnati? TCU, West Virginia, Louisville, or Rutgers? Not sure you can make a great argument against any of them when all things are considered.

This.

Probably in next wave for B12 or ACC if and when it comes.

B1G has no need of UC, PAC is too far away and Cincy is just not a SEC school by a country mile (pardon the pun)

(09-05-2013 02:21 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I think I see the issue with the whole Cinci ranking and recognition thing... Since 2010 they've only played one ranked team, and lost to that team. And since the turn of the century, they've played 22 ranked teams and only beat 4 of them. #15, #25, #23, and #12.

I didn't do a full lookup, but this doesn't seem right. I went back and checked the schedules for the BK era since that was obviously the highs of the program.

2009: Beat #24 Oregon St, #21 USF, #25 WVU, #15 Pitt
2008: Beat #23 USF, #19 WVU, #20 Pitt
2007: Beat #21 Oregon St
2006: Beat #3 Rutgers (This was Dantonio I believe)

I believe there were 1 or 2 in the years before that, but I don't know that for sure.

Not any heavyweights obviously, so I'm not going to sit here and tell you they are a Top 15 team. But they are always disrespected in the preseason poll which just makes the hill that much harder to climb from the start. We schedule Illinois for a home and home after they go to the Rose Bowl, and they tank. Schedule Va Tech at a neutral site, and they have a bad season. We have OSU 2 of the next 3 years.

You can't blame us for our conference schedule, we would have no problem changing that.

(09-05-2013 02:05 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  Just take solace in knowing you are probably up next wave.

This. Get a reasonable share of Go5 entry into the six big bowls under the new system, and proceed to win a decent share of those big bowls, and when conference realignment moves again in the 20's, Cincinnati will be one of the first schools to move up.

Cincinnati is a strong football program no doubt. I think it would be great for the AAC if Cincy won the conference and represented the league in its final automatic BCS bowl bid.

(09-05-2013 02:05 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 01:25 PM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Heading into it's game against Illinois this weekend, Cincinnati is 9-1 in its last 10 games versus teams that are now in Power 5 conferences.

2013 - Purdue, W 42-7
2012 - Duke, W 48-34
2012 - Syracuse, W 35-24
2012 - Virginia Tech, W 27-24
2012 - Pitt, W 34-10
2011 - Vanderbilt, W 31-24
2011 - Syracuse, W 30-3
2011 - West Virginia, L 24-21
2011 - Pitt, W 26-23
2011 - NC State, W 44-14

Keep in mind none of these wins occurred during the Brian Kelly era. Not too shabby for a team that's been left behind.

Just take solace in knowing you are probably up next wave. Who would you honestly believe a conference should have skipped over in order to take Cincinnati? TCU, West Virginia, Louisville, or Rutgers? Not sure you can make a great argument against any of them when all things are considered.

A case could be made against a few of the new teams.

I think the thing that upsets most "Top G5 school" fans is that their program is EASILY on par or better than the grandfathered bottom feeders (and in some cases middle of the road teams) of the P5. You switch NW and Cincy in the B1G for the past 20 years, and who has the bigger fan base? who has the better sports teams? Cincy by a long shot.

Now I know this is flawed because the team is grandfathered in. that's the truth & the truth hurts. Another truth is that there are top G5 schools that can easily compete or are above bottom dwellers (and some mid tier) teams in terms of fans, academics, on the field competition, or some other factor. That is NOW. Even more so if the roles had been switched in history.

My point is that's just the way it is. There will always be sucky teams grandfathered in...... most of the new teams being adopted will fit in with the middle or top of their respective conferences in some way. UL will easily compete in FB, BB... Cuse in BB... WVU SHOULD compete in FB...etc.

What would be great is if conferences were stuck in their max amount, and as someone came in, the bottom team was kicked out.


I know this is not ground breaking stuff for many people on this board, but there are some that may think Cincy, Ecu, Houston, Boise, Etc fans think that they should be Alabama's main rival. That's not the case. Many fans just feel that their schools have competed well or had exceptional support with what we've been given, and that the playing field should be leveled (considering we know we'd do well).

(09-05-2013 02:05 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 01:25 PM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Heading into it's game against Illinois this weekend, Cincinnati is 9-1 in its last 10 games versus teams that are now in Power 5 conferences.

2013 - Purdue, W 42-7
2012 - Duke, W 48-34
2012 - Syracuse, W 35-24
2012 - Virginia Tech, W 27-24
2012 - Pitt, W 34-10
2011 - Vanderbilt, W 31-24
2011 - Syracuse, W 30-3
2011 - West Virginia, L 24-21
2011 - Pitt, W 26-23
2011 - NC State, W 44-14

Keep in mind none of these wins occurred during the Brian Kelly era. Not too shabby for a team that's been left behind.

Just take solace in knowing you are probably up next wave. Who would you honestly believe a conference should have skipped over in order to take Cincinnati? TCU, West Virginia, Louisville, or Rutgers? Not sure you can make a great argument against any of them when all things are considered.

He's just pointing out that our record against P-5 schools matches up well against the best in the country.

While only one of those teams we played were ranked at the end of the year, most P-5 conference schools face a similar quality of schedule as these 10 teams. Just picking Alabama's 2012 season as a random example, at the end of the year only 3 of the 10 P-5 schools they played were ranked, and only one of them was top-10. Just because they're playing in the SEC doesn't mean they're facing top-10 opponents every week.

What people most remember about Cincinnati is this...

2009 Orange Bowl: #19 Virginia Tech 20 - #12 Cincinnati 7
2010 Sugar Bowl: #5 Florida 51 - #3 Cincinnati 24

This is a judgmental society, after all...

(09-05-2013 02:21 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I think I see the issue with the whole Cinci ranking and recognition thing... Since 2010 they've only played one ranked team, and lost to that team. And since the turn of the century, they've played 22 ranked teams and only beat 4 of them. #15, #25, #23, and #12.

uh....lol wrong

(09-05-2013 01:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  congratz and its a good accomplishment

but that doesnt mean cincy is worthy of a p5 bid

yeah...because Rutgers, Pitt, and Cuse were

UC did more in the Big East in 7 years than RU ever did. It's not about being worthy. If it was, neither RU, Cuse, or Pitt would be in the P5. Sorry but welcome to the truth.

The B1G has all of Ohio so they don't need Cincy.

Rutgers and UMD bring large new markets for the BTN and AAU academics.

So those 2 are good fits for the B1G while Cincy makes no sense for them.

(09-05-2013 08:13 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 01:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  congratz and its a good accomplishment

but that doesnt mean cincy is worthy of a p5 bid

yeah...because Rutgers, Pitt, and Cuse were

UC did more in the Big East in 7 years than RU ever did. It's not about being worthy. If it was, neither RU, Cuse, or Pitt would be in the P5. Sorry but welcome to the truth.

I like Cincinnati and applaud what they've done. I also support their bid to join the ACC under the right circumstances.

That said, to take a seven year stretch and ignore everything else is, well, insane.

If we played by those rules, Boise State would be considered better than Notre Dame and USF would be considered better than Miami.

(09-05-2013 08:13 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 01:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  congratz and its a good accomplishment

but that doesnt mean cincy is worthy of a p5 bid

yeah...because Rutgers, Pitt, and Cuse were

UC did more in the Big East in 7 years than RU ever did. It's not about being worthy. If it was, neither RU, Cuse, or Pitt would be in the P5. Sorry but welcome to the truth.

yeah cuz its not like those 3 schools have history, academics, or markets to offer.....

(09-05-2013 02:05 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 01:25 PM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Heading into it's game against Illinois this weekend, Cincinnati is 9-1 in its last 10 games versus teams that are now in Power 5 conferences.

2013 - Purdue, W 42-7
2012 - Duke, W 48-34
2012 - Syracuse, W 35-24
2012 - Virginia Tech, W 27-24
2012 - Pitt, W 34-10
2011 - Vanderbilt, W 31-24
2011 - Syracuse, W 30-3
2011 - West Virginia, L 24-21
2011 - Pitt, W 26-23
2011 - NC State, W 44-14

Keep in mind none of these wins occurred during the Brian Kelly era. Not too shabby for a team that's been left behind.

Just take solace in knowing you are probably up next wave. Who would you honestly believe a conference should have skipped over in order to take Cincinnati? TCU, West Virginia, Louisville, or Rutgers? Not sure you can make a great argument against any of them when all things are considered.

As a "Bearcat fan" myself (they're my 2nd favorite team), the solution is easy:

Just keep on winning.

I have no doubt another round of realignment (started by Jim Delaney) is in the cards within the next 12-24 months. An excellent season from UC will make the Bearcats well-positioned as the Dominoes fall from there.

Half of these wins are against conference mates. Congrats?