(09-03-2013 11:39 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 11:33 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/poll/5

1. Alabama --
2. Oregon +1
3. Ohio State -1
4. Clemson +4
5. Stanford -1
6. South Carolina --
7. Texas A&M --
8. Louisville +1
9. LSU +3
10. FSU +1
11. Georgia -6
12. Florida -2
13. Ok St --
14. ND --
15. Texas --
16. OU --
17. Michigan --
18. UCLA +3
19. Northwestern +3
20. Washington +6
21. Wisconsin +2
22. Nebraska -4
23. Baylor +3
24. TCU -4
25. USC -1


Dropped from rankings: Boise State 19, Oregon State 25

Others receiving votes: Miami (FL) 127, Ole Miss 50, Arizona State 48, Michigan State 42, Northern Illinois 27, Cincinnati 27, Fresno State 22, Virginia Tech 12, Bowling Green 9, Georgia Tech 8, Arizona 6, Penn State 4, Boise State 3, Virginia 2, Arkansas 1

So...two ACC teams in the Top 10.....three if you count Louisville. Not too shabby for a Conference that so many on here have been so eager to rip apart.

Louisville in in the American, so no, they don't count. And aren't FSU and Clemson in the top-10 every year around this time? Let's give it a few weeks and see where we stand before throwing out the "I told you so" card.

(09-03-2013 03:43 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 11:39 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 11:33 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/poll/5

1. Alabama --
2. Oregon +1
3. Ohio State -1
4. Clemson +4
5. Stanford -1
6. South Carolina --
7. Texas A&M --
8. Louisville +1
9. LSU +3
10. FSU +1
11. Georgia -6
12. Florida -2
13. Ok St --
14. ND --
15. Texas --
16. OU --
17. Michigan --
18. UCLA +3
19. Northwestern +3
20. Washington +6
21. Wisconsin +2
22. Nebraska -4
23. Baylor +3
24. TCU -4
25. USC -1


Dropped from rankings: Boise State 19, Oregon State 25

Others receiving votes: Miami (FL) 127, Ole Miss 50, Arizona State 48, Michigan State 42, Northern Illinois 27, Cincinnati 27, Fresno State 22, Virginia Tech 12, Bowling Green 9, Georgia Tech 8, Arizona 6, Penn State 4, Boise State 3, Virginia 2, Arkansas 1

So...two ACC teams in the Top 10.....three if you count Louisville. Not too shabby for a Conference that so many on here have been so eager to rip apart.

Louisville in in the American, so no, they don't count. And aren't FSU and Clemson in the top-10 every year around this time? Let's give it a few weeks and see where we stand before throwing out the "I told you so" card.

I like Clemson this year, but also, Georgia is not well known for opening well against ranked opponents lately... In 2009 they lost to #9 OkSt, 2011 they lost to #5 Boise, and now 2013 they lost to #8 Clemson...

(09-03-2013 02:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:08 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 11:57 AM)Wedge Wrote:  So, games between ranked teams this week are South Carolina-Georgia and Notre Dame-Michigan.

Most interesting game outside those two looks to be Florida-Miami.

I'm anxious to see ND - Michigan game... SC - UGA kind of lost some luster after the UGA loss...

Out of those three I'd pick Florida-Miami as most interesting because both teams are big question marks. Is Florida ready to be a national title contender again, or will they lay an egg and give support to the detractors who say the Gators job is too big for Muschamp? Miami might show they're close to being back to national relevance, or they might again look like they're just teasing. We'll find out on Saturday.

Good point, the Mich/ND game will answer some questions too... Is ND legit, is Mich a powerhouse? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Miami beat Florida. I didn't think they were anything special last year, don't think they're anything special this year either... Driskill, to be honest, sucks.

Is a team that won 13 of its last 14 games, 20 of its last 22 regular season games and 25 of its last 29 games "legit"?

What does it take to become "legit"?

(09-03-2013 04:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 02:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:08 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 11:57 AM)Wedge Wrote:  So, games between ranked teams this week are South Carolina-Georgia and Notre Dame-Michigan.

Most interesting game outside those two looks to be Florida-Miami.

I'm anxious to see ND - Michigan game... SC - UGA kind of lost some luster after the UGA loss...

Out of those three I'd pick Florida-Miami as most interesting because both teams are big question marks. Is Florida ready to be a national title contender again, or will they lay an egg and give support to the detractors who say the Gators job is too big for Muschamp? Miami might show they're close to being back to national relevance, or they might again look like they're just teasing. We'll find out on Saturday.

Good point, the Mich/ND game will answer some questions too... Is ND legit, is Mich a powerhouse? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Miami beat Florida. I didn't think they were anything special last year, don't think they're anything special this year either... Driskill, to be honest, sucks.

Is a team that won 13 of its last 14 games, 20 of its last 22 regular season games and 25 of its last 29 games "legit"?

What does it take to become "legit"?

Terry, when you joined the ACC, you added to your haters. In the coming years when you slip up and lose a game to UNC, NC State, GT, or anyone in the middle of the ACC, the cat calls will come out of the woodwork. Had you joined the B10 you could have lost with impunity to their middle teams and that would have been okay. It goes with the territory.

(09-03-2013 01:59 PM)john01992 Wrote:  why is usc ranked?

Why is Lane Kiffin still their coach?

(09-03-2013 05:46 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 01:59 PM)john01992 Wrote:  why is usc ranked?

Why is Lane Kiffin still their coach?

Because Pete Carroll is still in the NFL.

(09-03-2013 04:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 02:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:08 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 11:57 AM)Wedge Wrote:  So, games between ranked teams this week are South Carolina-Georgia and Notre Dame-Michigan.

Most interesting game outside those two looks to be Florida-Miami.

I'm anxious to see ND - Michigan game... SC - UGA kind of lost some luster after the UGA loss...

Out of those three I'd pick Florida-Miami as most interesting because both teams are big question marks. Is Florida ready to be a national title contender again, or will they lay an egg and give support to the detractors who say the Gators job is too big for Muschamp? Miami might show they're close to being back to national relevance, or they might again look like they're just teasing. We'll find out on Saturday.

Good point, the Mich/ND game will answer some questions too... Is ND legit, is Mich a powerhouse? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Miami beat Florida. I didn't think they were anything special last year, don't think they're anything special this year either... Driskill, to be honest, sucks.

Is a team that won 13 of its last 14 games, 20 of its last 22 regular season games and 25 of its last 29 games "legit"?

What does it take to become "legit"?

Wow, you cherry picked like a son of a b*tch didn't you? Since you want to talk wins and losses, let's go into detail. Under Brian Kelly.

2010: 8-5, played two ranked teams, beat one that ended the season at 10-3 and ranked #23.

2011: 8-5, played three ranked teams, beat one that ended the season at 11-3 and ranked #11. Ended up a good win.

2012: 12-1, played five ranked teams, beat four of them. MichSt ended up 7-6 and unranked, Mich ended up 8-5 and #24, Stanford ended up 12-2 and #7, Oklahoma ended up 10-3 and #15.

Then ND played Alabama and acted like they had no idea what football was.

Out of all the ranked teams ND beat in the timeframe you mentioned, one ended up in the top 10, and one JUST outside of the top ten, one right in the middle, and two at the bottom.

So, like I said, I just want to see if Notre Dame is legit this year. If we were cherry picking streaks, I would throw it out there that LSU has won an NCAA record 42 non conference regular season games in a row.

(09-03-2013 04:52 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 04:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 02:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:08 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I'm anxious to see ND - Michigan game... SC - UGA kind of lost some luster after the UGA loss...

Out of those three I'd pick Florida-Miami as most interesting because both teams are big question marks. Is Florida ready to be a national title contender again, or will they lay an egg and give support to the detractors who say the Gators job is too big for Muschamp? Miami might show they're close to being back to national relevance, or they might again look like they're just teasing. We'll find out on Saturday.

Good point, the Mich/ND game will answer some questions too... Is ND legit, is Mich a powerhouse? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Miami beat Florida. I didn't think they were anything special last year, don't think they're anything special this year either... Driskill, to be honest, sucks.

Is a team that won 13 of its last 14 games, 20 of its last 22 regular season games and 25 of its last 29 games "legit"?

What does it take to become "legit"?

Terry, when you joined the ACC, you added to your haters. In the coming years when you slip up and lose a game to UNC, NC State, GT, or anyone in the middle of the ACC, the cat calls will come out of the woodwork. Had you joined the B10 you could have lost with impunity to their middle teams and that would have been okay. It goes with the territory.

It doesn't even have anything to do with that... My post mentioned both Michigan AND Notre Dame, dude flipped out over me wanting to see if ND was legit after two mediocre seasons and one good season... I couldn;t care less what conference they're in.

(09-04-2013 05:49 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 05:46 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 01:59 PM)john01992 Wrote:  why is usc ranked?

Why is Lane Kiffin still their coach?

Because Pete Carroll is still in the NFL.

Pete Carroll is still in Seattle because if he was still in Pasadena, he'd have killed the Trojans program by now. The NCAA was sniffing hard at his heels when he skipped town...

(09-04-2013 10:02 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 04:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 02:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:08 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I'm anxious to see ND - Michigan game... SC - UGA kind of lost some luster after the UGA loss...

Out of those three I'd pick Florida-Miami as most interesting because both teams are big question marks. Is Florida ready to be a national title contender again, or will they lay an egg and give support to the detractors who say the Gators job is too big for Muschamp? Miami might show they're close to being back to national relevance, or they might again look like they're just teasing. We'll find out on Saturday.

Good point, the Mich/ND game will answer some questions too... Is ND legit, is Mich a powerhouse? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Miami beat Florida. I didn't think they were anything special last year, don't think they're anything special this year either... Driskill, to be honest, sucks.

Is a team that won 13 of its last 14 games, 20 of its last 22 regular season games and 25 of its last 29 games "legit"?

What does it take to become "legit"?

Wow, you cherry picked like a son of a b*tch didn't you? Since you want to talk wins and losses, let's go into detail. Under Brian Kelly.

2010: 8-5, played two ranked teams, beat one that ended the season at 10-3 and ranked #23.

2011: 8-5, played three ranked teams, beat one that ended the season at 11-3 and ranked #11. Ended up a good win.

2012: 12-1, played five ranked teams, beat four of them. MichSt ended up 7-6 and unranked, Mich ended up 8-5 and #24, Stanford ended up 12-2 and #7, Oklahoma ended up 10-3 and #15.

Then ND played Alabama and acted like they had no idea what football was.

Out of all the ranked teams ND beat in the timeframe you mentioned, one ended up in the top 10, and one JUST outside of the top ten, one right in the middle, and two at the bottom.

So, like I said, I just want to see if Notre Dame is legit this year. If we were cherry picking streaks, I would throw it out there that LSU has won an NCAA record 42 non conference regular season games in a row.

I picked the last 29 games played and that is "cherry picking"?

Other fans usually claim ND fans "live in the distant past". I was picking the last 14-29 games played.

I also was not "flipping out". That was a bit of a melodramatic overstatement on your part.

The 42 OOC games (over what, 14 years----many of them La. Monroe, UAB, etc..) would be "cherry picking".

I also knew about that number since I have lived in Baton Rouge since 1983 and graduated from LSU Law School (although I am no Tiger fan).

(09-04-2013 10:02 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 04:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 02:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:08 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I'm anxious to see ND - Michigan game... SC - UGA kind of lost some luster after the UGA loss...

Out of those three I'd pick Florida-Miami as most interesting because both teams are big question marks. Is Florida ready to be a national title contender again, or will they lay an egg and give support to the detractors who say the Gators job is too big for Muschamp? Miami might show they're close to being back to national relevance, or they might again look like they're just teasing. We'll find out on Saturday.

Good point, the Mich/ND game will answer some questions too... Is ND legit, is Mich a powerhouse? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Miami beat Florida. I didn't think they were anything special last year, don't think they're anything special this year either... Driskill, to be honest, sucks.

Is a team that won 13 of its last 14 games, 20 of its last 22 regular season games and 25 of its last 29 games "legit"?

What does it take to become "legit"?

Wow, you cherry picked like a son of a b*tch didn't you? Since you want to talk wins and losses, let's go into detail. Under Brian Kelly.

2010: 8-5, played two ranked teams, beat one that ended the season at 10-3 and ranked #23.

2011: 8-5, played three ranked teams, beat one that ended the season at 11-3 and ranked #11. Ended up a good win.

2012: 12-1, played five ranked teams, beat four of them. MichSt ended up 7-6 and unranked, Mich ended up 8-5 and #24, Stanford ended up 12-2 and #7, Oklahoma ended up 10-3 and #15.

Then ND played Alabama and acted like they had no idea what football was.

Out of all the ranked teams ND beat in the timeframe you mentioned, one ended up in the top 10, and one JUST outside of the top ten, one right in the middle, and two at the bottom.

So, like I said, I just want to see if Notre Dame is legit this year. If we were cherry picking streaks, I would throw it out there that LSU has won an NCAA record 42 non conference regular season games in a row.

I picked the last 29 games played and that is "cherry picking"?

Other fans usually claim ND fans "live in the distant past". So, I was consciously trying to do the opposite.

I was picking the last 14-29 games played. Those seemed relevant to now and the near future.

Those are the most recent games played, not ancient history. I happen to see a trend from those most recent games.

I also was not "flipping out". That was a bit of a melodramatic overstatement on your part.

The 42 LSU OOC wins in a row is very commendable. That records is over what, 14 years----many of them La. Monroe, UAB, etc..? (Although LSU does schedule one good OOC game a year like TCU, WVU, Oregon).

See, that would be "cherry picking", in my opinion.

I also knew about that number since I have lived in Baton Rouge since 1983 and graduated from LSU Law School (although I am no Tiger fan).

P.S. I happen to think that if another team put up the recent won/loss numbers I posted (hypothetically, say Texas, Michigan, Florida State, for instance) but didn't have "Notre Dame" on their uniforms, not many people would be asking if "they are legit".

(09-04-2013 12:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 10:02 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 04:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 02:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Out of those three I'd pick Florida-Miami as most interesting because both teams are big question marks. Is Florida ready to be a national title contender again, or will they lay an egg and give support to the detractors who say the Gators job is too big for Muschamp? Miami might show they're close to being back to national relevance, or they might again look like they're just teasing. We'll find out on Saturday.

Good point, the Mich/ND game will answer some questions too... Is ND legit, is Mich a powerhouse? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Miami beat Florida. I didn't think they were anything special last year, don't think they're anything special this year either... Driskill, to be honest, sucks.

Is a team that won 13 of its last 14 games, 20 of its last 22 regular season games and 25 of its last 29 games "legit"?

What does it take to become "legit"?

Wow, you cherry picked like a son of a b*tch didn't you? Since you want to talk wins and losses, let's go into detail. Under Brian Kelly.

2010: 8-5, played two ranked teams, beat one that ended the season at 10-3 and ranked #23.

2011: 8-5, played three ranked teams, beat one that ended the season at 11-3 and ranked #11. Ended up a good win.

2012: 12-1, played five ranked teams, beat four of them. MichSt ended up 7-6 and unranked, Mich ended up 8-5 and #24, Stanford ended up 12-2 and #7, Oklahoma ended up 10-3 and #15.

Then ND played Alabama and acted like they had no idea what football was.

Out of all the ranked teams ND beat in the timeframe you mentioned, one ended up in the top 10, and one JUST outside of the top ten, one right in the middle, and two at the bottom.

So, like I said, I just want to see if Notre Dame is legit this year. If we were cherry picking streaks, I would throw it out there that LSU has won an NCAA record 42 non conference regular season games in a row.

I picked the last 29 games played and that is "cherry picking"?

Other fans usually claim ND fans "live in the distant past". So, I was consciously trying to do the opposite.

I was picking the last 14-29 games played. Those seemed relevant to now and the near future.

Those are the most recent games played, not ancient history. I happen to see a trend from those most recent games.

I also was not "flipping out". That was a bit of a melodramatic overstatement on your part.

The 42 LSU OOC wins in a row is very commendable. That records is over what, 14 years----many of them La. Monroe, UAB, etc..? (Although LSU does schedule one good OOC game a year like TCU, WVU, Oregon).

See, that would be "cherry picking", in my opinion.

I also knew about that number since I have lived in Baton Rouge since 1983 and graduated from LSU Law School (although I am no Tiger fan).

P.S. I happen to think that if another team put up the recent won/loss numbers I posted (hypothetically, say Texas, Michigan, Florida State, for instance) but didn't have "Notre Dame" on their uniforms, not many people would be asking if "they are legit".

I did cherry pick... I cherry picked my own streak... I don't have a problem with Notre Dame, I was just wondering if they were legit. Sure they went through the year undefeated, but too many close calls with bad teams, getting blown out in the NC game against an Alabama who came within 2 plays of losing 3 games... I'm also looking to see if Michigan is legit dude, and Texas isn't impressive, neither is FSU... FSU played 3 teams with a pulse last year, barely beating Clemson, losing to a mediocre Florida and getting beat by NC State... Matter of fact, I'd bet on ND to beat Texas or FSU, and easily, but Michigan is a toss-up. By legit, I guess I'm saying I would like to see if they can handle the pressure in a big game that has a trophy on the line, but I wasn't by any means insulting Notre Dame.

Notre Dame played a much harder schedule than Alabama did last year.

(09-04-2013 12:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 10:02 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 04:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 02:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Out of those three I'd pick Florida-Miami as most interesting because both teams are big question marks. Is Florida ready to be a national title contender again, or will they lay an egg and give support to the detractors who say the Gators job is too big for Muschamp? Miami might show they're close to being back to national relevance, or they might again look like they're just teasing. We'll find out on Saturday.

Good point, the Mich/ND game will answer some questions too... Is ND legit, is Mich a powerhouse? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Miami beat Florida. I didn't think they were anything special last year, don't think they're anything special this year either... Driskill, to be honest, sucks.

Is a team that won 13 of its last 14 games, 20 of its last 22 regular season games and 25 of its last 29 games "legit"?

What does it take to become "legit"?

Wow, you cherry picked like a son of a b*tch didn't you? Since you want to talk wins and losses, let's go into detail. Under Brian Kelly.

2010: 8-5, played two ranked teams, beat one that ended the season at 10-3 and ranked #23.

2011: 8-5, played three ranked teams, beat one that ended the season at 11-3 and ranked #11. Ended up a good win.

2012: 12-1, played five ranked teams, beat four of them. MichSt ended up 7-6 and unranked, Mich ended up 8-5 and #24, Stanford ended up 12-2 and #7, Oklahoma ended up 10-3 and #15.

Then ND played Alabama and acted like they had no idea what football was.

Out of all the ranked teams ND beat in the timeframe you mentioned, one ended up in the top 10, and one JUST outside of the top ten, one right in the middle, and two at the bottom.

So, like I said, I just want to see if Notre Dame is legit this year. If we were cherry picking streaks, I would throw it out there that LSU has won an NCAA record 42 non conference regular season games in a row.

I picked the last 29 games played and that is "cherry picking"?

Other fans usually claim ND fans "live in the distant past". So, I was consciously trying to do the opposite.

I was picking the last 14-29 games played. Those seemed relevant to now and the near future.

Those are the most recent games played, not ancient history. I happen to see a trend from those most recent games.

I also was not "flipping out". That was a bit of a melodramatic overstatement on your part.

The 42 LSU OOC wins in a row is very commendable. That records is over what, 14 years----many of them La. Monroe, UAB, etc..? (Although LSU does schedule one good OOC game a year like TCU, WVU, Oregon).

See, that would be "cherry picking", in my opinion.

I also knew about that number since I have lived in Baton Rouge since 1983 and graduated from LSU Law School (although I am no Tiger fan).

P.S. I happen to think that if another team put up the recent won/loss numbers I posted (hypothetically, say Texas, Michigan, Florida State, for instance) but didn't have "Notre Dame" on their uniforms, not many people would be asking if "they are legit".

If you go back 10 more games, to the beginning of Kelly's career with ND, you can say that ND has won 28 of it's last 39 games... Sounds good, but if you look at the first two seasons, they were both 8-5 with one good year last year to greatly increase the numbers. Are they a one year wonder, or are they legit?

(09-04-2013 02:04 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Notre Dame played a much harder schedule than Alabama did last year.

I don't know... One team they played ended up #24, one ended up #12, one ended up #5, and one ended up #4...

Notre Dame's opponents ended up ranked #24, #7, and #15 at the end of the season...

This year, ND gets Michigan, OU, and Stanford...

Alabama has a creamy schedule outside of LSU...

Notre Dame does not need to apologize to anyone for their schedule this year or last year.

Notre Dame may have been the 4-5th best team in the SEC last year...and I'm no SEC fan.
GA, Bama, LSU all definately better...you could argue SC, FL, aTm as well

(09-04-2013 02:37 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Notre Dame may have been the 4-5th best team in the SEC last year...and I'm no SEC fan.
GA, Bama, LSU all definately better...you could argue SC, FL, aTm as well

Last year was just horrid all the way around...

However, I will say that if Ohio State would have made it to the NC, they wouldve been demolished by ND.

Well, Brian Kelly is 29-11 at ND.

Since a 4-5 start in his first season (2010), ND is 25-6.

That is not a "one season wonder", that is a trend, an upward one.

That is not a small sample size, that is over 31 games.

That is all I am saying. I think it is pretty "legit".

(09-04-2013 05:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Well, Brian Kelly is 29-11 at ND.

Since a 4-5 start in his first season (2010), ND is 25-6.

That is not a "one season wonder", that is a trend, an upward one.

That is not a small sample size, that is over 31 games.

That is all I am saying. I think it is pretty "legit".

I'm really trying not to argue, but to show you why I say that, lets look at the games they won.

2010, 8 games. 2 ranked teams. Beat #23, lost to #4. Opponents W/L on teams they beat, 57-45.

2011, 8 games. 3 ranked teams. Beat #11, lost to #7 and #23. Opponents W/L on teams they beat, 49-53.

2012, 12 games. 4 ranked teams. Beat #7, #15, and #24, lost to #1. Opponents W/L on teams they beat, 86-68.


Do you think they have what it takes to go all the way this year and take down the BCSCG contender?