Yes I realize that Clemson has a good team, but Clemson is dead to me.

Thank you for letting VT out of the "most overated" doghouse. I never realized that Tennessee had moved out.

(09-01-2013 07:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Thank you for letting VT out of the "most overated" doghouse. I never realized that Tennessee had moved out.

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of the Hokies, I just don't get how they have all that talent and consistently under-perform.

(09-01-2013 07:40 AM)bevotex Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Thank you for letting VT out of the "most overated" doghouse. I never realized that Tennessee had moved out.

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of the Hokies, I just don't get how they have all that talent and consistently under-perform.

You're only as good as your weakest position. Somehow VT always seems to have a couple of positions of weakness (particularly on offense).

It is interesting how teams develop personalities. They don't last forever, but there are periods of time things seem like clockwork. In the past decade or so, I remember thinking this about teams (some of which are no longer true).

1. Virginia Tech starts the season with tough losses, but then come out strong in ACC play.
2. Clemson looks great and then loses games it shouldn't and finishes just outside the ACC title game.
3. USC was an absolute monster. They'd win all non-conference games and kill whomever they played in a bowl, but they'd somehow lose to one bad team in the PAC-10
4. Michigan State was a lot like Clemson. If you played them in the first half of the year they were a really tough game. If you played them at the end, after they had their annual collapse, they were easy.

Granted, it was probably only a few years that made this impression to me and then things changed, but for awhile, they all seemed true.

(09-01-2013 07:40 AM)bevotex Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Thank you for letting VT out of the "most overated" doghouse. I never realized that Tennessee had moved out.

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of the Hokies, I just don't get how they have all that talent and consistently under-perform.

Possibly the most ironic post on this board ever. Nobody does less with more than Texas.

Usually FSU is in that dog house too....they start the year ranked 10 or 11 and don't end up near that by game 12.

But UT and FSU have some tough rivalries, especially FSU. Let another school play UF and UM every year.

(09-01-2013 09:13 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  But UT and FSU have some tough rivalries, especially FSU. Let someone play UF and UM every year.

well...UF anyway. UM has been BS for a while now.

You are right, but while UM might be down, UF is up.

FSU was overrated preseason from roughly 2002-2008 (rough estimate without looking at preseason/final polls). Basically since then i think FSU has been relatively accurately ranked. And, I mean, you can't really fault voters for voting FSU higher than they deserved based on the previous 20 years. But even in the overrated stretch, FSU was rarely/never voted top 5 or 10, despite many people thinking the contrary.

As for VT being overrated? GTFO! Everybody respects VT but VT doesn't recruit exceptionally and they almost never have legitimate national title hopes. Overrated? LMFAO. They just won 10+ games like 15 straight years and I can't think but for maybe one or two years they were preseason top 5.

(09-01-2013 08:39 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  It is interesting how teams develop personalities. They don't last forever, but there are periods of time things seem like clockwork. In the past decade or so, I remember thinking this about teams (some of which are no longer true).

1. Virginia Tech starts the season with tough losses, but then come out strong in ACC play.
2. Clemson looks great and then loses games it shouldn't and finishes just outside the ACC title game.
3. USC was an absolute monster. They'd win all non-conference games and kill whomever they played in a bowl, but they'd somehow lose to one bad team in the PAC-10
4. Michigan State was a lot like Clemson. If you played them in the first half of the year they were a really tough game. If you played them at the end, after they had their annual collapse, they were easy.

Granted, it was probably only a few years that made this impression to me and then things changed, but for awhile, they all seemed true.

What game did we lose last year that we shouldn't have lost?

The year before we won the ACC.

The year before that was a rebuilding year in the second full year under Swinney.

The year before that we were in Tampa playing for the ACC Championship.


Where exactly have we lost games that we shouldn't that has kept us out of the ACC Championship?

In the past 30 weeks there have been six teams ranked in all 30 polls. Alabama, LSU, Stanford, Oregon, South Carolina and Clemson. We did it without major NCAA violations, without hiring a sleezeball coach, and while finishing in the Top 10 in the APR for football every year.


Best be afraid bucknut. You've played the two major programs from South Carolina three times, lost all three and twice it resulted in you having a coaching search.

(09-01-2013 09:38 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  FSU was overrated preseason from roughly 2002-2008 (rough estimate without looking at preseason/final polls). Basically since then i think FSU has been relatively accurately ranked. And, I mean, you can't really fault voters for voting FSU higher than they deserved based on the previous 20 years. But even in the overrated stretch, FSU was rarely/never voted top 5 or 10, despite many people thinking the contrary.

As for VT being overrated? GTFO! Everybody respects VT but VT doesn't recruit exceptionally and they almost never have legitimate national title hopes. Overrated? LMFAO. They just won 10+ games like 15 straight years and I can't think but for maybe one or two years they were preseason top 5.

Here's 10 years to make your own assessment.

2002 - Played 1 top 10 team (#1 Miami, lost) - Preseason #16, reached #3, ended up 10-4 #18

2003 - Played 1 top 10 team (#2 Miami, won) - Preseason #9, reached #3, ended up 8-5 unranked

2004 - Played 4 top 10 teams (#1 USC, lost. #4 WVU, won. #9 Miami, won. #3 Auburn, lost) - Preseason unranked, reached #9, ended up 10-3 #10

2005 - Played 1 top 10 team (#5 Miami, lost) - Preseason #8, reached #3, ended up 11-2 #7

2006 - Played 1 top 10 team (#10 Clemson, lost) - Preseason #17, reached #11, ended up 10-3 #18

2007 - Played 3 top 10 teams (#2 LSU, lost. #2 BC, lost. #8 Kansas, lost) - Preseason #9, reached #3, ended up 11-3 #9

2008 - Played 0 top 10 teams - Preseason #15, reached #15, ended up 10-4 #15

2009 - Played 2 top 10 teams (#5 Alabama, lost. #9 Miami, won) - Preseason #7, reached #4, ended up 10-3 #10

2010 - Played 2 top 10 teams (#3 BSU, lost. #5 Stanford, lost) - Preseason #10, reached nothing higher, ended up 11-3 #16

2011 - Played 1 top 10 team (#2 FCS App St, won) - Preseason #13, reached #5, ended up 11-3 #21

2012 - Played 1 top 10 team (#8 FSU, lost) - Preseason #15, reached no higher ranking, ended up 7-6 unranked

2013 - Currently plays 1 top 10 team (#1 Alabama, lost) - Preseason unranked, have zero top 25 teams left on the 2013 schedule.

(09-01-2013 09:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 08:39 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  It is interesting how teams develop personalities. They don't last forever, but there are periods of time things seem like clockwork. In the past decade or so, I remember thinking this about teams (some of which are no longer true).

1. Virginia Tech starts the season with tough losses, but then come out strong in ACC play.
2. Clemson looks great and then loses games it shouldn't and finishes just outside the ACC title game.
3. USC was an absolute monster. They'd win all non-conference games and kill whomever they played in a bowl, but they'd somehow lose to one bad team in the PAC-10
4. Michigan State was a lot like Clemson. If you played them in the first half of the year they were a really tough game. If you played them at the end, after they had their annual collapse, they were easy.

Granted, it was probably only a few years that made this impression to me and then things changed, but for awhile, they all seemed true.

What game did we lose last year that we shouldn't have lost?

The year before we won the ACC.

The year before that was a rebuilding year in the second full year under Swinney.

The year before that we were in Tampa playing for the ACC Championship.


Where exactly have we lost games that we shouldn't that has kept us out of the ACC Championship?

In the past 30 weeks there have been six teams ranked in all 30 polls. Alabama, LSU, Stanford, Oregon, South Carolina and Clemson. We did it without major NCAA violations, without hiring a sleezeball coach, and while finishing in the Top 10 in the APR for football every year.


Best be afraid bucknut. You've played the two major programs from South Carolina three times, lost all three and twice it resulted in you having a coaching search.

Clemson is the only team that worries me this year...

Not to toot my own horn, but if you compare preseason conference predictions with conference results over the last 10 years, you get this chart:



Name Net Error Total Error Avg prediction Avg results
Northwestern 210 272 74 54
Stanford 172 221 68 50
Cincinnati 153 361 54 39
Georgia Tech 149 191 45 31
Vanderbilt 110 161 93 82
Wake Forest 109 314 71 60
Kansas State 104 355 55 45
Mississippi 94 229 76 67
Baylor 87 123 90 81
Oregon State 86 247 49 41
Indiana 69 127 94 88
Connecticut 60 161 58 52
Iowa State 59 272 78 72
Boston College 58 246 48 42
Syracuse 52 255 79 74
Mississippi State 52 120 87 82
UCLA 51 249 52 46
Oklahoma State 32 150 54 51
Penn State 31 236 38 35
Arizona 23 131 67 65
Duke 21 64 95 93
Michigan State 20 284 51 49
Texas Tech 20 174 59 57
South Carolina 17 147 48 46
Oregon 15 164 24 23
Louisville 12 232 41 40
Missouri 11 157 34 33
Minnesota 9 131 74 73
North Carolina 7 245 59 58
Texas A&M 5 219 58 58
Kentucky -1 115 82 82
Washington State -4 143 80 80
Rutgers -7 271 56 56
Virginia -13 262 61 62
Clemson -15 291 33 35
Wisconsin -16 248 29 31
LSU -16 146 16 18
Virginia Tech -20 173 12 14
Nebraska -21 254 24 26
Maryland -25 204 65 68
Arkansas -27 171 53 55
Colorado -28 237 59 62
West Virginia -28 204 17 20
Purdue -29 246 54 57
Oklahoma -34 122 8 11
Georgia -35 174 17 21
Florida -37 135 17 21
TCU -51 217 16 21
Kansas -54 269 70 75
Ohio State -68 161 8 15
Auburn -69 291 35 42
Iowa -69 225 37 44
Tennessee -70 263 39 46
Southern Cal -76 120 4 12
Washington -77 189 67 74
California -79 235 38 46
Arizona State -80 343 43 51
Utah -80 240 20 28
Michigan -89 179 27 36
North Carolina State -92 233 58 68
Pittsburgh -100 159 31 41
Alabama -102 209 29 39
Illinois -106 285 66 77
Miami (FL) -113 261 28 40
Texas -130 159 17 30
Florida State -142 247 9 23
South Florida -164 296 45 61

First column after the name is a measure of how overrated a team is. More negative means more consistently overrated. It's also only conference results, so ND isn't on here and voters don't matter.

From this, VT and UGA aren't noticeably overrated on average, while FSU is.

http://www.sippinonpurple.com/2013/8/25/...he-country

So basically, South Florida is the most over rated, while NW is the most under rated? I'll agree with NW being consistently under rated, but you don't hear much about USF...

(09-01-2013 07:21 AM)bevotex Wrote:   Yes I realize that Clemson has a good team, but Clemson is dead to me.

Texas is way over rated most years, also!

(09-01-2013 10:23 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:40 AM)bevotex Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Thank you for letting VT out of the "most overated" doghouse. I never realized that Tennessee had moved out.

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of the Hokies, I just don't get how they have all that talent and consistently under-perform.

Possibly the most ironic post on this board ever. Nobody does less with more than Texas.

I would say USC and Texas are at least neck and neck in that race but my judgement would still be in favor of USC. Texas is a strong second place though in that regard.

(09-02-2013 12:33 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  So basically, South Florida is the most over rated, while NW is the most under rated? I'll agree with NW being consistently under rated, but you don't hear much about USF...

I didn't expect USF either, but they had some really unexpectedly bad seasons lately. In both of the last two years, they've been picked to be about 2nd or 3rd and finished in last place. 2012 USF has the dubious distinction of being the third most overrated BCS team in the last decade (behind only 2007 Kansas and 2010 Texas).

(09-01-2013 10:23 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:40 AM)bevotex Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Thank you for letting VT out of the "most overated" doghouse. I never realized that Tennessee had moved out.

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of the Hokies, I just don't get how they have all that talent and consistently under-perform.

Possibly the most ironic post on this board ever. Nobody does less with more than Texas.

Irony