(08-30-2013 01:49 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The fast food and grocery store industries work on pretty narrow profit margins. Especially your grocery stores - the markups are pretty slim. You don't raise a wage by $6 per hour without some ripple effects: either a jack up in consumer prices and/or widespread layoffs.

I happened to be talking with a neighbor of mine a couple weeks ago who happens to be a district manager (or something like that) of Wendy's. He gave a lot of insight about the money flow, real estate costs, franchisors, union intentions, internal advancement, and so on. Covered some good topics. Admittedly, he's obviously biased. But it's easy to portray one's self as a "bleeding heart" by insisting that Walmart greeters and Kroger baggers deserve a significant hike in their paychecks, but only when one looks at the bigger picture do you realize that it's rife with negative consequences for all involved.

Yea, especially when they are mandating the spending of someone else's money.

My understanding is the average grocery margin is not just "narrow" it's something along the lines of 1%.

Anything like this is going to have an adverse impact and couple that with the mandated zerOCARE and we are hurtling to a part time workforce. The federal government is mandating private industry out of business.

Funny, exactly the opposite of "creating new jobs" and a "jobs program" from this cabal.

(08-30-2013 12:23 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 12:16 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 11:32 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Of course they didn't. Another reason against legal weed. Stoned fast food workers think they should make $15 dollars an hour?

Who are you to decide what they should make? Shouldn't they make as much as the proprietor of the business is willing to pay? And if they aren't willing to work for what the business is willing to pay don't they have the right to not to work for them?

Who are they to decide what rate of pay the proprietor sets for any given position? If the company wants to pay 15 dollars an hour, the all the power to them. But they aren't going to do that. Instead of another futile display of public protest and employee disobedience, these workers must gain new skills and education to gain more wealth.

How are they deciding what the proprietor pays? If he doesn't want to pay $15 an hour, the unemployment rate is pretty high, he can easily get more people to come work for him, right? By what logic do employees not have their first amendment rights to free speech and free association to take their opinion to the management and not work for any given wage? Do you not negotiate your salary before you take a job? How is that any different? Just because you're not at McDonalds? Does the fact this is not a skilled job mean that the employees have any fewer rights?

(08-30-2013 01:53 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 01:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 01:19 PM)RobertN Wrote:  It never ceases to amaze me how they call Democrats arrogant etc. Yet, these Reichwingers are EXTREMELY arrogant.

Btw, I am quite sure that the point of saying $15 is to start negotiations. The workers know they aren't going to get $15 but maybe $10 or so after the negotiations. This is how you negotiate, start high and come to the middle.

Negotiate with WHOM?!? I just covered this Robs, please try to keep up between making th office coffee and sharpening the pencil sets, okay?
They weren't asking for a meeting with the business owners to discuss a well deserved raise or anything of the sort. They we demanding the Federal Government mandate that ridiculousness as the new minimum wage.

Are you ready to pay 6 bucks or more for that cheeseburger? 2.50 for the fries? I'd wager no and neither would I. So guess what geniuses, you just put yourself and all the other unskilled, low ceiling workers OUT of work.

this doesn't simply apply to the burger flippers, this would also be that kid with a mental disability that bags groceries or collect carts. You think someone like him is going to warrant that kind of a wage for something that is basically a feel good, throw away job that they do for community outreach?

Congratulations, morons. You just put that poor kid OUT of a job and OUT of the workforce entirely.

Sometimes you leftist progs need to think through things a bit more than "does it make me feel good"? smdh.

Not to mention, if that were to happen, they would either lose their jobs because of zero business, or everyone would follow suit by driving up prices everywhere, therefore making the value of that $15 go right back to the value that $9.19 used to be... Damn kids.

But I did mention that!

(08-30-2013 02:41 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 12:23 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 12:16 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 11:32 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Of course they didn't. Another reason against legal weed. Stoned fast food workers think they should make $15 dollars an hour?

Who are you to decide what they should make? Shouldn't they make as much as the proprietor of the business is willing to pay? And if they aren't willing to work for what the business is willing to pay don't they have the right to not to work for them?

Who are they to decide what rate of pay the proprietor sets for any given position? If the company wants to pay 15 dollars an hour, the all the power to them. But they aren't going to do that. Instead of another futile display of public protest and employee disobedience, these workers must gain new skills and education to gain more wealth.

How are they deciding what the proprietor pays? If he doesn't want to pay $15 an hour, the unemployment rate is pretty high, he can easily get more people to come work for him, right? By what logic do employees not have their first amendment rights to free speech and free association to take their opinion to the management and not work for any given wage? Do you not negotiate your salary before you take a job? How is that any different? Just because you're not at McDonalds? Does the fact this is not a skilled job mean that the employees have any fewer rights?

I answered this pretty succinctly above ^^^

(08-30-2013 02:47 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 01:53 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 01:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 01:19 PM)RobertN Wrote:  It never ceases to amaze me how they call Democrats arrogant etc. Yet, these Reichwingers are EXTREMELY arrogant.

Btw, I am quite sure that the point of saying $15 is to start negotiations. The workers know they aren't going to get $15 but maybe $10 or so after the negotiations. This is how you negotiate, start high and come to the middle.

Negotiate with WHOM?!? I just covered this Robs, please try to keep up between making th office coffee and sharpening the pencil sets, okay?
They weren't asking for a meeting with the business owners to discuss a well deserved raise or anything of the sort. They we demanding the Federal Government mandate that ridiculousness as the new minimum wage.

Are you ready to pay 6 bucks or more for that cheeseburger? 2.50 for the fries? I'd wager no and neither would I. So guess what geniuses, you just put yourself and all the other unskilled, low ceiling workers OUT of work.

this doesn't simply apply to the burger flippers, this would also be that kid with a mental disability that bags groceries or collect carts. You think someone like him is going to warrant that kind of a wage for something that is basically a feel good, throw away job that they do for community outreach?

Congratulations, morons. You just put that poor kid OUT of a job and OUT of the workforce entirely.

Sometimes you leftist progs need to think through things a bit more than "does it make me feel good"? smdh.

Not to mention, if that were to happen, they would either lose their jobs because of zero business, or everyone would follow suit by driving up prices everywhere, therefore making the value of that $15 go right back to the value that $9.19 used to be... Damn kids.

But I did mention that!

Oh heavens! How did I miss that... Good thinking I do say :)

Just tell them they got their raise. Dumb asses can't count.

(08-30-2013 12:16 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 11:32 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Of course they didn't. Another reason against legal weed. Stoned fast food workers think they should make $15 dollars an hour?

Who are you to decide what they should make? Shouldn't they make as much as the proprietor of the business is willing to pay? And if they aren't willing to work for what the business is willing to pay don't they have the right to not to work for them?

Wut?

4 of us left a penny tip today at Burger King. Mission accomplished.

I hope that they get the raise. Then they won't qualify for welfare. Let McDonalds pay for them, not the tax payer. I don't eat fast food, so it doesn't bother me.

(08-30-2013 03:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I hope that they get the raise. Then they won't qualify for welfare. Let McDonalds pay for them, not the tax payer. I don't eat fast food, so it doesn't bother me.

Actually I can agree with that... It wouldn't be long before they were flat busted and broke because of the high prices causing the place to close down due to no service. I wonder if they'd be happy then.

(08-30-2013 03:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I hope that they get the raise. Then they won't qualify for welfare. Let McDonalds pay for them, not the tax payer.

Put me in the camp that has no problem helping a qualifying working man or woman in the fast food industry with an income subsidy until they can find better employment. This is what social welfare should be about.

You and these fools.. act as if it is some kind of shame to work hard and recieve help. Hoss..It can happen to anyone in these schitty economic times. There is nothing shameful about it.

What is shameful are the damn welfare Queens and Kings sitting on their asses drawing checks without actually doing a damn thing. At least these people know the value of work. I am more than willing to help them.

(08-30-2013 03:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 03:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I hope that they get the raise. Then they won't qualify for welfare. Let McDonalds pay for them, not the tax payer.

Put me in the camp that has no problem helping a qualifying working man or woman in the fast food industry with an income subsidy until they can find better employment. This is what social welfare should be about.

You and these fools.. act as if it is some kind of shame to work hard and recieve help. Hoss..It can happen to anyone in these schitty economic times. There is nothing shameful about it.

What is shameful are the damn welfare Queens and Kings sitting on their asses drawing checks without actually doing a damn thing. At least these people know the value of work. I am more than willing to help them.

Why should I have to pay to subsidize McD's employees?

(08-30-2013 04:19 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 03:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 03:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I hope that they get the raise. Then they won't qualify for welfare. Let McDonalds pay for them, not the tax payer.

Put me in the camp that has no problem helping a qualifying working man or woman in the fast food industry with an income subsidy until they can find better employment. This is what social welfare should be about.

You and these fools.. act as if it is some kind of shame to work hard and recieve help. Hoss..It can happen to anyone in these schitty economic times. There is nothing shameful about it.

What is shameful are the damn welfare Queens and Kings sitting on their asses drawing checks without actually doing a damn thing. At least these people know the value of work. I am more than willing to help them.

Why should I have to pay to subsidize McD's employees?

You don't...you pay taxes...then the people we elect decide how the money is spent.

(08-30-2013 04:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 04:19 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 03:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 03:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I hope that they get the raise. Then they won't qualify for welfare. Let McDonalds pay for them, not the tax payer.

Put me in the camp that has no problem helping a qualifying working man or woman in the fast food industry with an income subsidy until they can find better employment. This is what social welfare should be about.

You and these fools.. act as if it is some kind of shame to work hard and recieve help. Hoss..It can happen to anyone in these schitty economic times. There is nothing shameful about it.

What is shameful are the damn welfare Queens and Kings sitting on their asses drawing checks without actually doing a damn thing. At least these people know the value of work. I am more than willing to help them.

Why should I have to pay to subsidize McD's employees?

You don't...you pay taxes...then the people we elect decide how the money is spent.

So McD's funds somebody's campaign to get elected and let the tax payer pay.

(08-30-2013 12:23 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 12:16 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 11:32 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Of course they didn't. Another reason against legal weed. Stoned fast food workers think they should make $15 dollars an hour?

Who are you to decide what they should make? Shouldn't they make as much as the proprietor of the business is willing to pay? And if they aren't willing to work for what the business is willing to pay don't they have the right to not to work for them?

Who are they to decide what rate of pay the proprietor sets for any given position? If the company wants to pay 15 dollars an hour, the all the power to them. But they aren't going to do that. Instead of another futile display of public protest and employee disobedience, these workers must gain new skills and education to gain more wealth.

Why are you against the 1st Amendment?

(08-30-2013 04:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 04:19 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 03:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 03:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I hope that they get the raise. Then they won't qualify for welfare. Let McDonalds pay for them, not the tax payer.

Put me in the camp that has no problem helping a qualifying working man or woman in the fast food industry with an income subsidy until they can find better employment. This is what social welfare should be about.

You and these fools.. act as if it is some kind of shame to work hard and recieve help. Hoss..It can happen to anyone in these schitty economic times. There is nothing shameful about it.

What is shameful are the damn welfare Queens and Kings sitting on their asses drawing checks without actually doing a damn thing. At least these people know the value of work. I am more than willing to help them.

Why should I have to pay to subsidize McD's employees?

You don't...you pay taxes...then the people we elect decide how the money is spent.

And they decide to spend our tax money subsidizing others.

(08-30-2013 03:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I hope that they get the raise. Then they won't qualify for welfare. Let McDonalds pay for them, not the tax payer. I don't eat fast food, so it doesn't bother me.

So you don't buy groceries either? Or get a pizza delivery every now and again? How about a haircut or take the kids to the swimming pool? Use a convenience store or go to Costco, Walmart or Staples?

Think about what you are saying for a moment before you say it, hunh? You are talking about pricing these low skilled, typically young kids getting their first job experience right OUT of the job market.

It would put many of these businesses OUT of business, producing even more unemployed and without entry level jobs to build on you are creating another class of chronically unemployed or unemployable.

Where are they going to end up? On the public dole. All because "you don't eat fast food so it doesn't bother you". Solid logic there.

smdh

And Walmart is the last man standing.

(08-30-2013 03:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I hope that they get the raise. Then they won't qualify for welfare. Let McDonalds pay for them, not the tax payer. I don't eat fast food, so it doesn't bother me.

That's actually reckless thinking. Any time one industry suffers, it affects us all. Anytime companies downsize, that is just less revenue being spent in the marketplace. Anytime any business raises their costs, any industry tied to that industry also raises their cost.

What you eat makes little difference.

(08-30-2013 04:38 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 04:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 04:19 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 03:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 03:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I hope that they get the raise. Then they won't qualify for welfare. Let McDonalds pay for them, not the tax payer.

Put me in the camp that has no problem helping a qualifying working man or woman in the fast food industry with an income subsidy until they can find better employment. This is what social welfare should be about.

You and these fools.. act as if it is some kind of shame to work hard and recieve help. Hoss..It can happen to anyone in these schitty economic times. There is nothing shameful about it.

What is shameful are the damn welfare Queens and Kings sitting on their asses drawing checks without actually doing a damn thing. At least these people know the value of work. I am more than willing to help them.

Why should I have to pay to subsidize McD's employees?

You don't...you pay taxes...then the people we elect decide how the money is spent.

And they decide to spend our tax money subsidizing others.

That is their right...if you don't like it...vote for someone else.