Well last time I checked Pitt lost to a FCS team last year so lets not act like they picked nothing but football powerhouses.

(08-30-2013 08:33 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well last time I checked Pitt lost to a FCS team last year so lets not act like they picked nothing but football powerhouses.

i always thought that pitt wasnt as good as people say.

uconn & LV were pretty neck & neck in terms of program strength at the time the acc was deciding to add. ever since the decision LV athletics have took off while uconn athletics have become the biggest joke in FBS

(08-30-2013 02:24 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 11:51 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 11:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I would disagree with the talent evaluation since they don't ever match up well with the SEC.

i was talking about the schools they added

Should of clarified.

didnt think i could be any more clear as i specifically compared uconn & lv in the OP

(08-30-2013 09:10 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 08:33 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well last time I checked Pitt lost to a FCS team last year so lets not act like they picked nothing but football powerhouses.

i always thought that pitt wasnt as good as people say.

uconn & LV were pretty neck & neck in terms of program strength at the time the acc was deciding to add. ever since the decision LV athletics have took off while uconn athletics have become the biggest joke in FBS

No they really weren't. In basketball they were similar but Louisville was always the better football program and really no one debated that. Also I'm pretty sure UCONN athletics is fine, UCONN football isn't, but they are still a national program in mens basketball and the premier womens basketball program so they'll be ok.

If ACC was the best talent evaluator they would have taken Ville and Cincy, when they took Cuse and Pitt.

ACC would probably argue Pitt and Cuse were ND bait. Cincy is probably looking better for team 16. I like wvu too but uconn is smelling the place up. I guess you got to throw in the longshots of texas or gtown for spot 16.

(08-30-2013 08:31 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 02:46 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  UConn isn't a bad program - it has a bad coach!

Paul Pasqualoni took 'Cuse from national player to mediocre by 2004... he was canned and then bounced around odd assistant jobs in the NFL... and is now destroying UCONN - turning a program that had won ten or more games over a string of seasons into a program that takes several seasons to win ten games!

He is not a football coach for their future - he needs to go so the school can right the football ship again!

When was the last time UConn won ten games? Certainly not since they upgraded to 1A/FBS. You're overrating them.

I was thinking the very same thing. According to CFBDatawarehouse.com, Uconn won 10 games only once in its entire history of college fb and that was in 1998 when they were D1AA.

(08-30-2013 09:20 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 09:10 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 08:33 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well last time I checked Pitt lost to a FCS team last year so lets not act like they picked nothing but football powerhouses.

i always thought that pitt wasnt as good as people say.

uconn & LV were pretty neck & neck in terms of program strength at the time the acc was deciding to add. ever since the decision LV athletics have took off while uconn athletics have become the biggest joke in FBS

No they really weren't. In basketball they were similar but Louisville was always the better football program and really no one debated that. Also I'm pretty sure UCONN athletics is fine, UCONN football isn't, but they are still a national program in mens basketball and the premier womens basketball program so they'll be ok.

well uconn fans sure thought so.

and lets see how uconn does post tourny ban before we decide if this bb program is back

(08-30-2013 09:24 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  If ACC was the best talent evaluator they would have taken Ville and Cincy, when they took Cuse and Pitt.

get back to me after they have played a full acc slate

Why is it there are so many p___ses from or going to the ACC that want to come in here and throw stones at AAC members. Is it the only league you feel comfortable berating?

(08-30-2013 11:12 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  Why is it there are so many p___ses from or going to the ACC that want to come in here and throw stones at AAC members. Is it the only league you feel comfortable berating?

How true.
It amazes me to see people throwing stones at a team who has been dealt such a bad hand. Some people are just haters.
UConn beat 2 out of the 3 new arrivals to the ACC last year but go ahead and talk about how great these new additions are.

I think 15 and 16 have to be Notre Dame and Cincinnati. Notre Dame, Cincinnati and Louisville connect to New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia, which united the ACC footprint.

(08-30-2013 12:22 PM)lofi Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 11:12 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  Why is it there are so many p___ses from or going to the ACC that want to come in here and throw stones at AAC members. Is it the only league you feel comfortable berating?

How true.
It amazes me to see people throwing stones at a team who has been dealt such a bad hand. Some people are just haters.
UConn beat 2 out of the 3 new arrivals to the ACC last year but go ahead and talk about how great these new additions are.

and got crushed by the 3rd

(08-30-2013 11:12 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  Why is it there are so many p___ses from or going to the ACC that want to come in here and throw stones at AAC members. Is it the only league you feel comfortable berating?

kinda like the wvu fans who rallied around "the dude"

How is this thread not blowing up with BC losing to Villanova? How good was the ACC at evaluating BC's talent? hahahahahahahaha

Villanova 14
Boston College 7
Halftime

(08-30-2013 02:56 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think 15 and 16 have to be Notre Dame and Cincinnati. Notre Dame, Cincinnati and Louisville connect to New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia, which united the ACC footprint.

ND is the 15th.

The ACC will not add a 16th school unless that school is a school ND wants to play on a regular basis.

The 16th spot is not just another spot.

The 16th school will create divisional changes and while FSU and Clemson have been given a defacto veto over any so called "non-football" school, UNC, Duke, and NC State have to be okay with that school from the standpoint of what it does to the basketball schedule. The league will also not add a school that puts VT into a northern division scenario without VT's expressed okay.

Cincy does have a chance, however, many years will pass before that happens as two of ND's favorites are given time to make decisions about what's best for them.

ND would like to have Navy in the ACC now, but that will not happen until two other schools make their decisions and they say no, then the internal struggle between Navy and Cincy will begin.

Remember, the ACC does not need 16. Will not add a 16th just for the sake of addition, and will not add anyone just to entice ND to add three ACC football games - the votes aren't there for that.

Look at ND's recent and future football schedule. The candidates are there, save one and that one has other internal issues they are attempting to resolve and waiting to see if they get kicked again.

(08-31-2013 12:39 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  How is this thread not blowing up with BC losing to Villanova? How good was the ACC at evaluating BC's talent? hahahahahahahaha

Villanova 14
Boston College 7
Halftime

BC was added to the ACC to put the ACC in the New England TV market. It worked, therefore the ACC is seen in Maine, VT, Mass., RI., and Connecticut. I don't think anyone expect BC to do anything on the field, and their success with Matt Ryan was two-edge sword that led to problems with attendance at Bowls, etc.

If you add a second team in their general region, that school needs to have a good football program.

Now, BC from 2004 (the year BC was voted into the ACC) to 2009 went 9-3, 9-3, 10-3, 11-3, 9-5, and 8-5. Yes they are in the dumpster now, and could use a new coach.

(08-31-2013 01:09 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 02:56 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think 15 and 16 have to be Notre Dame and Cincinnati. Notre Dame, Cincinnati and Louisville connect to New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia, which united the ACC footprint.

ND is the 15th.

The ACC will not add a 16th school unless that school is a school ND wants to play on a regular basis.

The 16th spot is not just another spot.

The 16th school will create divisional changes and while FSU and Clemson have been given a defacto veto over any so called "non-football" school, UNC, Duke, and NC State have to be okay with that school from the standpoint of what it does to the basketball schedule. The league will also not add a school that puts VT into a northern division scenario without VT's expressed okay.

Cincy does have a chance, however, many years will pass before that happens as two of ND's favorites are given time to make decisions about what's best for them.

ND would like to have Navy in the ACC now, but that will not happen until two other schools make their decisions and they say no, then the internal struggle between Navy and Cincy will begin.

Remember, the ACC does not need 16. Will not add a 16th just for the sake of addition, and will not add anyone just to entice ND to add three ACC football games - the votes aren't there for that.

Look at ND's recent and future football schedule. The candidates are there, save one and that one has other internal issues they are attempting to resolve and waiting to see if they get kicked again.

Navy as FB only? No way they would take or be offered a full time spot.

Also even the FB only seems very unlikely.

If and thats a big IF the ACC can convince BD to join full time and they need a 16th the only realistic options are Cincy, UConn and Temple.

Don't laugh, Temple has improved their FB side and their BBall would be a perfect fit in the ACC. They need to become one of the better AAC teams in Fb though for that to be an option. Cincy should be the favorite. Helps solidify their new midwest presence.

RedMan - The ACC is very mindful of what happened when the Southern Conference became too large in 1932 and again in 1952. The ACC is not going to 17 teams unless there are changes to NCAA rules, Division 4 rules, and to the ACC charter. The old inner core of former Southern Conference Schools - the current schools who were SoCon schools - UVA/VT/UNC/NCSU/Duke/WF/GT/Clemson will not agree to a situation where they feel potentially outvoted. While much is made of Clemson not getting along with UNC, it's very much an "in-the-family" thing.

If you add Navy, and you think you need to add a basketball school - it will be Georgetown. That sticks it to Maryland, that provides keen interest for VT and UVa and provides Navy with a close by partner. However at 17 you need 13 to do major things - if Navy and Gtown are given full votes.

In 32 the SoCon had 23 schools. 13 left to form the SEC. Tulane, GT, and Sewanne all left the SEC. In 1952 the SoCon has regrown to 17 with the problematic addition of West Va., and the league fell apart over football policy.

(08-31-2013 02:01 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  RedMan - The ACC is very mindful of what happened when the Southern Conference became too large in 1932 and again in 1952. The ACC is not going to 17 teams unless there are changes to NCAA rules, Division 4 rules, and to the ACC charter. The old inner core of former Southern Conference Schools - the current schools who were SoCon schools - UVA/VT/UNC/NCSU/Duke/WF/GT/Clemson will not agree to a situation where they feel potentially outvoted. While much is made of Clemson not getting along with UNC, it's very much an "in-the-family" thing.

If you add Navy, and you think you need to add a basketball school - it will be Georgetown. That sticks it to Maryland, that provides keen interest for VT and UVa and provides Navy with a close by partner. However at 17 you need 13 to do major things - if Navy and Gtown are given full votes.

In 32 the SoCon had 23 schools. 13 left to form the SEC. Tulane, GT, and Sewanne all left the SEC. In 1952 the SoCon has regrown to 17 with the problematic addition of West Va., and the league fell apart over football policy.

I never said they should go to 17. In fact I said if they brought in ND as 15 and then were looking at 16.

Also GTown isn't coming to the ACC. Never going to happen. They make just as much money in the BE and have a lot more say in their own future. Thats why the C7 left. They wanted control of their own destiny. Gtown is the big dog now, why become a second class member who has no say in conference matters? They would essentially become an associate member.

ACC fans love to think they can just take any BBall school they want. They forget that the BBall schools were the only loyal ones during conference realignment. They could have easily jettisoned Seton Hall and brought in a bigger sexier name like VCU or Saint Louis but didn't.