(08-18-2013 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here in Texas ( A republican state) it is estimated that 700,000 people will be discouraged from voting by voter ID.

When a long line is enough to discourage someone from voting, no one should down play the effects of a voter ID.

No early voting in Texas?

Not to be a dick..but..What does long lines have to do with voter ID? I would think it would make things run faster..not slower.
It does not however surprise me that a lot of voters will be discouraged in the border states that adopt voter ID.

(08-18-2013 01:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here in Texas ( A republican state) it is estimated that 700,000 people will be discouraged from voting by voter ID.

When a long line is enough to discourage someone from voting, no one should down play the effects of a voter ID.

No early voting in Texas?

Not to be a dick..but..What does long lines have to do with voter ID? I would think it would make things run faster..not slower.
It does not however surprise me that a lot of voters will be discouraged in the border states that adopt voter ID.

The idea from some here is that voter ID will not discourage people from voting.

I contend however even long lines discourage people from voting.

Which is why some states are even attempting to limit the places where people can vote.

(08-18-2013 01:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here in Texas ( A republican state) it is estimated that 700,000 people will be discouraged from voting by voter ID.

When a long line is enough to discourage someone from voting, no one should down play the effects of a voter ID.

No early voting in Texas?

Not to be a dick..but..What does long lines have to do with voter ID? I would think it would make things run faster..not slower.
It does not however surprise me that a lot of voters will be discouraged in the border states that adopt voter ID.

The idea from some here is that voter ID will not discourage people from voting.

I contend however even long lines discourage people from voting.

Which is why some states are even attempting to limit the places where people can vote.

I support making it easier to vote for those that have the right due to citizenship...not harder. We waste money all over the damn place on nonsense. Take some of that and open up more lines and keep early voting.

One day we are going to look back on this issue think it was silly. I see some valid problems today..but..shortly everyone will have an ID in our technologically advance society. This will eventually be moot.

I'm sorry but if someone is discouraged from voting because he/she has to show ID, that's somebody who probably should not be voting.

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(08-18-2013 06:49 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Your thread title is universal...

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I don't guess you have been paying much attention to what the GOP has been up to since they took power in NC three years ago. Your boy McCrory hasn't exactly been honest and forthcoming since he took office and the GA has really been a piece of work.

(08-18-2013 07:41 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 06:49 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Your thread title is universal...

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I don't guess you have been paying much attention to what the GOP has been up to since they took power in NC three years ago. Your boy McCrory hasn't exactly been honest and forthcoming since he took office and the GA has really been a piece of work.

McCrory is 90% Democrat 10% Republican and a classic RINO, how else could a Republican Mayor get re-elected in a democrat dominated city like Charlotte?

(08-18-2013 01:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here in Texas ( A republican state) it is estimated that 700,000 people will be discouraged from voting by voter ID.

When a long line is enough to discourage someone from voting, no one should down play the effects of a voter ID.

No early voting in Texas?

Not to be a dick..but..What does long lines have to do with voter ID? I would think it would make things run faster..not slower.
It does not however surprise me that a lot of voters will be discouraged in the border states that adopt voter ID.

i think the point is that waiting in line is already enough of a hassle to discourage people from voting let alone having to go through a more rigorous ID process. i dont think he was trying to say it will make lines longer

(08-18-2013 12:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 11:07 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  College ID isn't an acceptable form of ID in order to vote in NC. Here is a good News & Observer column regarding that provision.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/17/3...qus_thread

I wonder what percentage of NC College students do not have a valid NCDL or NCID card? It seems pretty hard to believe there are any these days. I guess we will see how this shakes out.

I am against that one provision that stops young people from pre registering at age 16 to 17. I do however believe they should be registered as unaffiliated at first. This would allow them the freedom to choose either primary in their first voting experience. They could change its afterwards if they wish. Too many people in NC do not know about being able to register as unaffiliated and having this option. This is why I favor it myself. Not being a gang member in NC has a distinct advantage for individual voter freedom IMO. I have always wondered why more folks don't do it.

I personally believe that unaffiliated voters shouldn't be allowed to vote in primaries. Democrats should nominate their candidates and Republicans should elect theirs. It is totally up to the parties if they are going to allow it, but neither will end it unless the other does as well.

(08-18-2013 07:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here in Texas ( A republican state) it is estimated that 700,000 people will be discouraged from voting by voter ID.

When a long line is enough to discourage someone from voting, no one should down play the effects of a voter ID.

No early voting in Texas?

Not to be a dick..but..What does long lines have to do with voter ID? I would think it would make things run faster..not slower.
It does not however surprise me that a lot of voters will be discouraged in the border states that adopt voter ID.

i think the point is that waiting in line is already enough of a hassle to discourage people from voting let alone having to go through a more rigorous ID process. i dont think he was trying to say it will make lines longer

If poll workers are going to have to examine everyone's ID as they go through it is going to back up voting even further that it already does. There should be more state funding for the county boards of elections so that the equipment and manpower is available to move the process along. Currently the state of NC is underfunding the BofE.

(08-18-2013 03:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'm sorry but if someone is discouraged from voting because he/she has to show ID, that's somebody who probably should not be voting.

Agree, anyone who is voting should already have a government issued PHOTO ID to:

1) Drive
2) Receive benefits from state social welfare programs
3) Receive benefits from federal social welfare programs
4) Buy certain cold medicines
5) Cash a check
6) LEGALLY work
7) Travel anywhere by plane
8) Travel internationally
9) Attend college at in state tuition rates
10) Open a bank account

(08-18-2013 07:45 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 07:41 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 06:49 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Your thread title is universal...

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I don't guess you have been paying much attention to what the GOP has been up to since they took power in NC three years ago. Your boy McCrory hasn't exactly been honest and forthcoming since he took office and the GA has really been a piece of work.

McCrory is 90% Democrat 10% Republican and a classic RINO, how else could a Republican Mayor get re-elected in a democrat dominated city like Charlotte?

Oh no, you aren't going to pawn that guy off on the Democratic Party. He is all GOP. He might not be your flavor of GOP but he is GOP. The Art Pope puppet is all yours.

A lot of voters were fooled by his appearance of moderation while Mayor of Charlotte but his true colors have come out. The people will not be fooled again. He is a one termer.

its a reoccurring theme with republicans. if you cant win the election.....then change the rules to your favor.

they keep trying to force these voter ID laws right before elections and say its not political its something we need to do. voter fraud has a negligible effect on elections and theres this insane notion from the right that illegals are lining up to vote. if we want tougher voter ID laws fine, but you have to implement it slowly over a course of several years not rush it in months before an election

4 different states had republican state senates introduce legislation trying to change the way their state awards votes to the electoral college (michigan, virginia, pennsylvania, & ohio) had these laws been in effect for the 2012 election all 4 of those states would have awarded the majority of their electorates to romney despite obama winning the popular vote in all of them.

northern colorado wanted to change the way the state elects state representatives to one rep per county. this plan would give roughly 30% of the state 90% of the political power


its pretty scary to me that we are so polarized politically that people (not just people but politicans) actually wanted to change election law's to benefit a party and have the potential (or in some cases specifically designed to) have a minority beat out a majority. these laws are designed to suppress the city vote and to suppress the poor vote. id rather see my guy lose than to see my guy win cuz he cheated. thats a recipe for disaster and thats not how democracy works and its pretty mind blowing that conservatives dont understand that

One more time. ID suppresses no one.

(08-18-2013 07:55 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 07:45 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 07:41 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 06:49 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Your thread title is universal...

Democrats Fundamentally Dishonest about _______________________

I don't guess you have been paying much attention to what the GOP has been up to since they took power in NC three years ago. Your boy McCrory hasn't exactly been honest and forthcoming since he took office and the GA has really been a piece of work.

McCrory is 90% Democrat 10% Republican and a classic RINO, how else could a Republican Mayor get re-elected in a democrat dominated city like Charlotte?

Oh no, you aren't going to pawn that guy off on the Democratic Party. He is all GOP. He might not be your flavor of GOP but he is GOP. The Art Pope puppet is all yours.

A lot of voters were fooled by his appearance of moderation while Mayor of Charlotte but his true colors have come out. The people will not be fooled again. He is a one termer.

I don't disagree, he set the GOP back 30 years in NC in terms of getting another Republican elected as Governor. The evening he brought cookies out to the Pro-Choice protestors WTF?!?

(08-18-2013 08:02 PM)Paul M Wrote:  One more time. ID suppresses no one.

Wrong! It suppresses the democrat party's chances winning in a lot of close races. Just 5 or 10K in illegal votes can swing a congressional seat, in some cases a senate set, and a few rare instances a states electoral votes in a POTUS election. Democrats can't win without slight of hand.

(08-18-2013 08:19 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 08:02 PM)Paul M Wrote:  One more time. ID suppresses no one.

Wrong!

Well, it had to happen eventually.

(08-18-2013 08:02 PM)Paul M Wrote:  One more time. ID suppresses no one.

I've covered that. It chips away at the margins. A lot of people don't have a driver license. If you make enough people jump through hoops a few of them will end up unable to cast their vote come election day.

There are a fairly significant number of people that don't have an original birth certificate, some were born at home, some courthouses burned down. Try getting much of anything in the way of ID without a birth certificate. In order to get a non-driver ID from the DMV you have to have four different documents. It includes that birth certificate I mentioned, an original social security card, proof of residence such as an electric bill or water bill with your name on it. It will be extremely difficult for some people to get everything together.

When someone has been a registered voter for years and suddenly the government tries to prevent them from casting their vote come next election that is voter suppression and that will happen to some elderly people.

(08-18-2013 07:50 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 03:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'm sorry but if someone is discouraged from voting because he/she has to show ID, that's somebody who probably should not be voting.

Agree, anyone who is voting should already have a government issued PHOTO ID to:

1) Drive
2) Receive benefits from state social welfare programs
3) Receive benefits from federal social welfare programs
4) Buy certain cold medicines
5) Cash a check
6) LEGALLY work
7) Travel anywhere by plane
8) Travel internationally
9) Attend college at in state tuition rates
10) Open a bank account

1. large numbers of people don't drive i.e. the elderly, the poor (rural & urban), young people
2 &3. photo ID isn't required to receive these and the photo ID's that are issued once you start getting them are not an acceptable form of ID under the new NC Voter ID law.
4, 5. & 6. Several IDs acceptable at the drug store, check cashing store and job site aren't at the polls.
7 & 8. I have flown four times and been out of the country twice in my 55 years, plenty of people never fly.
9. You use income tax documents to show state residency.
10. Plenty of people don't have bank accounts.

(08-18-2013 10:18 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 07:50 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 03:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'm sorry but if someone is discouraged from voting because he/she has to show ID, that's somebody who probably should not be voting.

Agree, anyone who is voting should already have a government issued PHOTO ID to:

1) Drive
2) Receive benefits from state social welfare programs
3) Receive benefits from federal social welfare programs
4) Buy certain cold medicines
5) Cash a check
6) LEGALLY work
7) Travel anywhere by plane
8) Travel internationally
9) Attend college at in state tuition rates
10) Open a bank account

1. large numbers of people don't drive i.e. the elderly, the poor (rural & urban), young people
2 &3. photo ID isn't required to receive these and the photo ID's that are issued once you start getting them are not an acceptable form of ID under the new NC Voter ID law.
4, 5. & 6. Several IDs acceptable at the drug store, check cashing store and job site aren't at the polls.
7 & 8. I have flown four times and been out of the country twice in my 55 years, plenty of people never fly.
9. You use income tax documents to show state residency.
10. Plenty of people don't have bank accounts.

I don't see how any of this justifies people being required to show a picture ID when getting a job , caching checks or when buying certain kinds of cold medicine, but not to vote in our elections.