(08-12-2013 08:08 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  The idiot at USM last year retired the award. No one could ever be more "in over his head" than that stooge was.

The Ty Willingham Award, you mean?

(08-12-2013 08:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 02:14 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Let me clarify. I should have said a coach at a program that has had reasonable success over the years.

That would include the likes of Auburn and Tennessee but not schools like Kansas or Buffalo.

A bad hire is a bad hire no matter which school did the hiring. And while Auburn will not burn up the SEC this year I think they'll win between 5 and 6 games.

Commuter Bob said Lane Kiffen and I agree with that with one addendum. Lane is such a narcissist he will never see, or accept, that he is in over his head and when he loses it will yet again be someone else's fault.

I think that he should be given a reasonable chance to succeed at Southern Cal.

Perhaps....another 5-8 years, maybe?????

The idea behind Don Treadwell at Miami was great; you've got an alum with plenty of coaching ties in the midwest and both coasts. He did a good job as an OC at Michigan State and had the interim experience while Dantonio suffered his heart attack. Yet, despite taking over a team fresh off a MAC title, he's definitely underachieved (4-8 in both season) despite having one of the best QB's ever to come through Oxford.

The new AD at Miami has already fired our baseball and women's basketball coach after they didn't make a serious run at a MAC title, I think it's a guarantee that it's bowl or bust for Treadwell.

(08-12-2013 03:08 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 01:30 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 10:44 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  I wonder about Addazio at BC; I think that job will be tough because it is for a school with high expectations whose best years are behind them. When they got rid of Jags and Logan I knew that they were screwed.

Some places are going to only get tougher as the years go by; Syracuse, WVU, all three Mississippi schools and select B10 schools such as Illinois are all going to suffer as populations shift and economies change.

Syracuse metropolitan area
2000 - 650,154
2010 - 662,577

+ 1.9%

New York State
2000 - 18,976,457
2010 - 19,378,102

+ 2.1%

The state of New York had the 19th highest population hike out of 50. It may merely be the fourth largest state come 2020, but it won't relinquish that spot anytime soon thereafter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S...population

I stand corrected; I was under the impression that area of NY was not doing so hot. That shows what an assumption can do for ya...

Your assumption about Illinois is wrong too. Illinois population increased from 12,419,293 in 2000 to 12,830,632 in 2010. Overall over that 10 year period Illinois population increased by 3.3%. As of 2012 Illinois population is now 12,875,255; which is an increase over 2010.

Illinois remains America's 5th biggest State. Cook County remains America's 2nd largest County and Chicago is still America's 3rd largest City.

(08-12-2013 10:44 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  Some places are going to only get tougher as the years go by; Syracuse, WVU, all three Mississippi schools and select B10 schools such as Illinois are all going to suffer as populations shift and economies change.

Not to pile on, but in terms of population Illinois has it about as good as anyone- 5th largest state, top half in terms of absolute growth and very little in state competition (Northwestern recruits disproportionately out of state, and Illinois shouldn't lose recruits to NIU).

If you're looking for demographic doom, my money is on Michigan State, the second tier school in a shrinking state.

EDIT: PirateMarv types faster than I do. This Dvorak experiment I've been trying hasn't been a success so far.

(08-12-2013 08:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 08:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 02:14 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Let me clarify. I should have said a coach at a program that has had reasonable success over the years.

That would include the likes of Auburn and Tennessee but not schools like Kansas or Buffalo.

A bad hire is a bad hire no matter which school did the hiring. And while Auburn will not burn up the SEC this year I think they'll win between 5 and 6 games.

Commuter Bob said Lane Kiffen and I agree with that with one addendum. Lane is such a narcissist he will never see, or accept, that he is in over his head and when he loses it will yet again be someone else's fault.

I think that he should be given a reasonable chance to succeed at Southern Cal.

Perhaps....another 5-8 years, maybe?????

I just love your sincere altruism!

(08-12-2013 10:50 PM)nuftw Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 10:44 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  Some places are going to only get tougher as the years go by; Syracuse, WVU, all three Mississippi schools and select B10 schools such as Illinois are all going to suffer as populations shift and economies change.

Not to pile on, but in terms of population Illinois has it about as good as anyone- 5th largest state, top half in terms of absolute growth and very little in state competition (Northwestern recruits disproportionately out of state, and Illinois shouldn't lose recruits to NIU).

If you're looking for demographic doom, my money is on Michigan State, the second tier school in a shrinking state.

EDIT: PirateMarv types faster than I do. This Dvorak experiment I've been trying hasn't been a success so far.

No, there are enough Illinois, Minnesota and Indiana programs in the Big10 to give MichSt enough wins for the foreseeable future. Besides, UMich is a national recruiter and Ohio only has one Big10 school (and its a national recruiter as well) so that leaves plenty of players for MichSt. They also get a few from Ontario - where other schools don't recruit heavily. I don't see an issue for MichSt.

(08-12-2013 10:50 PM)nuftw Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 10:44 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  Some places are going to only get tougher as the years go by; Syracuse, WVU, all three Mississippi schools and select B10 schools such as Illinois are all going to suffer as populations shift and economies change.

Not to pile on, but in terms of population Illinois has it about as good as anyone- 5th largest state, top half in terms of absolute growth and very little in state competition (Northwestern recruits disproportionately out of state, and Illinois shouldn't lose recruits to NIU).

If you're looking for demographic doom, my money is on Michigan State, the second tier school in a shrinking state.

EDIT: PirateMarv types faster than I do. This Dvorak experiment I've been trying hasn't been a success so far.

Sorry about that. It is just one of those little known facts about the land of Lincoln. Illinois doesn't lose population; over the decades it has actually picked up population from surrounding states like Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin, Kentucky and Tennessee. I am not even sure that Illinois is a Rust Belt State like Michigan, Ohio and Indiana; because while the State did have high manufacturing components like those other States; Chicago is probably more closely aligned to New York City due to stuff like the Financial Markets, etc.

(08-12-2013 10:50 PM)nuftw Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 10:44 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  Some places are going to only get tougher as the years go by; Syracuse, WVU, all three Mississippi schools and select B10 schools such as Illinois are all going to suffer as populations shift and economies change.

Not to pile on, but in terms of population Illinois has it about as good as anyone- 5th largest state, top half in terms of absolute growth and very little in state competition (Northwestern recruits disproportionately out of state, and Illinois shouldn't lose recruits to NIU).

If you're looking for demographic doom, my money is on Michigan State, the second tier school in a shrinking state.

EDIT: PirateMarv types faster than I do. This Dvorak experiment I've been trying hasn't been a success so far.

I had to look up "Dvorak"; I was about to ask you where I could get some of it, as I have trouble sleeping.

Guys, I was not taking shots at anyone, but much of the Rust Belt is in bad shape.

Illinois... GOOD GOD. Your state will be lucky to make it through the next 10 years without having it's own personal Detroit-like moment. I like Chicago and have been there many times but one does have to wonder for how long any mirage of fiscal stability can exist.

I still need to look up Upstate NY's economic info; I would be willing to bet that individual wealth, along with living standards have decreased at a greater rate than those in other parts of the nation. It's true that we're all in this boat together (the recession boat and YES, we are still in a recession or at the very least we are stagnant) but other parts of the nation (see North Dakota and Texas for examples) are not suffering nearly as bad. NC is not suffering nearly as bad, either (although it surely is not easy here either).

Regarding BC: I clearly remember watching the Flutie pass... and have been a fan ever since. I simply fear that although Boston is not holding you back, fan's expectations and the schools academic profile might. I could say the same about Syracuse.

(08-12-2013 12:06 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Coaches I think get fired after the season:

Army: Rich Ellerson

Buffalo: Jeff Quinn

Eastern Michigan: Ron English

Illinois: Tim Beckman

Miami-OH: Don Treadwell

Missouri: Gary Pinkel

UConn: Paul Pasqualoni

UNLV: Bobby Hauck

I don't think Ellerson is in over his head such much as an inability to compete. It's hard to recruit talent when you're major selling point is that upon graduation you'll spent the next 5 years of your life embroiled in the modern day equivalent of Vietnam.

(08-13-2013 07:47 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 12:06 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Coaches I think get fired after the season:

Army: Rich Ellerson

Buffalo: Jeff Quinn

Eastern Michigan: Ron English

Illinois: Tim Beckman

Miami-OH: Don Treadwell

Missouri: Gary Pinkel

UConn: Paul Pasqualoni

UNLV: Bobby Hauck

I don't think Ellerson is in over his head such much as an inability to compete. It's hard to recruit talent when you're major selling point is that upon graduation you'll spent the next 5 years of your life embroiled in the modern day equivalent of Vietnam.

Fair point, though troops are out of Iraq and will soon be out of Afghanistan.

(08-12-2013 08:21 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'll go with Gus Malzahn. Seems to me he hasn't really proven anything and then throw in Bama. He's in for a rough ride.

Malzahn's sideline demeanor against LSU convinces me that I had this right. Really, all he could do is shake his hand to try to get the team to hurry up. This is coaching?

(08-12-2013 09:18 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Anyone coaching at Vanderbilt, Duke, Minnesota, Iowa State, Mississippi State, Tulane, Memphis, or anywhere else with an ingrained, losing culture.

Still stand by it.

I didn't see Ron Turner's (FIU) on here. 30 yards of TOTAL offense has to count for some kind of recognition for coaching honors.

Dana Holgerson.
What the heck has happened to WVU?
37-0?

(09-22-2013 09:35 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Dana Holgerson.
What the heck has happened to WVU?
37-0?

We lost over 90% of our offensive production from last year, and all of 'em are now playing on Sundays. The only returning players on the offense were the 2 OTs. Everyone else is new. Once WVU gets the QB situation settled, we'll be fine...

But you can't say the same about the Bearcats. At least WVU lost to a P5 program. You guys almost lost to Miami of Ohio...

I also noticed you didn't name your own coach. Why is that?

(09-22-2013 09:35 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Dana Holgerson.
What the heck has happened to WVU?
37-0?

Sometimes you bite off more than you can chew!


Dana Holgerson's body double, Steve Kragthrope

the tulane coach looked like he didnt have a clue

(09-22-2013 07:40 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 08:21 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'll go with Gus Malzahn. Seems to me he hasn't really proven anything and then throw in Bama. He's in for a rough ride.

Malzahn's sideline demeanor against LSU convinces me that I had this right. Really, all he could do is shake his hand to try to get the team to hurry up. This is coaching?

The Tigers got pretty depleted after their 2010 championship. Given the talent level on the team, especially after the discipline cases under Chiz were dismissed, I'd say Gus has done just fine. We'll know a lot more about L.S.U. after next week. But, as far as both sides of the ball are concerned I'd say the Bayou Tigers look pretty darned strong. Most folks down here figured that 5 wins would be about it prior to the start of the season. Now 7 doesn't look impossible and 6 looks probable. I'd say Malzahn is ahead of schedule and is doing pretty well on recruiting as well. The offense is sporadic but much better than last year and the defense is coming along well except for at middle linebacker where we a weak. Malzahn has been a winner everywhere he has been (including as OC during the national championship year at Auburn). I find your assumptions to be contrary to his record, his knowledge of an offense that he helped to develop and one that Clemson and others are adopting, and without any depth of knowledge that one who might have actually played the sport would have.

(09-22-2013 10:37 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-22-2013 09:35 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Dana Holgerson.
What the heck has happened to WVU?
37-0?

We lost over 90% of our offensive production from last year, and all of 'em are now playing on Sundays. The only returning players on the offense were the 2 OTs. Everyone else is new. Once WVU gets the QB situation settled, we'll be fine...

But you can't say the same about the Bearcats. At least WVU lost to a P5 program. You guys almost lost to Miami of Ohio...

I also noticed you didn't name your own coach. Why is that?

A bit defensive aren't we?
I thought WVU didn't rebuild? They reload. At least that is what WVU fans say.
So no excuses for losing players right? Every team loses players every year.

Maybe UC Miami was close but UC still won. Wining by 1 or 100 a W is a W.
It is a rivalry game and Miami is playing for their coaches job.
Tuberville is in his transition year and is 3-1. This thread is about coaches in over their heads.
I don't think anyone thinks Tuberville is in over his head coaching the Bearcats given his resume, know?

37-0 isn't close and it was Maryland. Holgerson has been at WVU for a few years. Are you really happy with his performance?