Not all of us see WVU as outsiders. Sure, they're far away, but they're a good cultural fit. They're not going to dominate major Eastern markets, but they do give us some presence there which wasn't there before.

(07-30-2013 02:01 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Not all of us see WVU as outsiders. Sure, they're far away, but they're a good cultural fit. They're not going to dominate major Eastern markets, but they do give us some presence there which wasn't there before.

I don't view them as outsiders and never said that. They are part of the Big 12 and a welcomed addition. I just happen to think that some of their fans have a tad bit of an inflated opinion of themselves and their university. One would think that after last years numerous beat downs (in every sport) they would be coming to grips with themselves but I guess being the main university even in a somewhat insignificant state like West Virginia causes one to feel more important than one actually is.

(07-30-2013 06:23 PM)Wobblefrog Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 02:01 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Not all of us see WVU as outsiders. Sure, they're far away, but they're a good cultural fit. They're not going to dominate major Eastern markets, but they do give us some presence there which wasn't there before.

I don't view them as outsiders and never said that. They are part of the Big 12 and a welcomed addition. I just happen to think that some of their fans have a tad bit of an inflated opinion of themselves and their university. One would think that after last years numerous beat downs (in every sport) they would be coming to grips with themselves but I guess being the main university even in a somewhat insignificant state like West Virginia causes one to feel more important than one actually is.

Despite your mistaken assumption, West Virginia isn't a small, insignificant state. West Virginia coal powers more industry than Texas oil, and West Virginia's natural gas is clean and plentiful. Without the resources West Virginia supplies our industries, the nation's industrial complex would be greatly diminished...

As for the multiple beat downs, I seem to recall it took TCU a 2 point conversion in the last minute to down a WVU team without a defense. The only beat downs in conference games that WVU experienced were at the hands of TT, OSU, KSU. All the other games were close, with Oklahoma and TCU winning by just one point each. A couple of breaks in those games go WVU's way, instead of otherwise, and WVU has a 9 win season last year. I think you have an over-inflated sense of superiority here...

West Virginia may not have a huge population, or much industry, primarily due to the difficulties involved with mountainous terrain. But the State of West Virginia isn't insignificant. Had their been more work in the state, I'd never have left. IMO it is Almost Heaven...

You should visit the state sometime...

(07-30-2013 06:23 PM)Wobblefrog Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 02:01 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Not all of us see WVU as outsiders. Sure, they're far away, but they're a good cultural fit. They're not going to dominate major Eastern markets, but they do give us some presence there which wasn't there before.

I don't view them as outsiders and never said that. They are part of the Big 12 and a welcomed addition. I just happen to think that some of their fans have a tad bit of an inflated opinion of themselves and their university. One would think that after last years numerous beat downs (in every sport) they would be coming to grips with themselves but I guess being the main university even in a somewhat insignificant state like West Virginia causes one to feel more important than one actually is.

Of all the potential smack talk I've seen or could imagine on this board, I never thought I would ever see TCU toward WVU.

(07-31-2013 10:03 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 06:23 PM)Wobblefrog Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 02:01 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Not all of us see WVU as outsiders. Sure, they're far away, but they're a good cultural fit. They're not going to dominate major Eastern markets, but they do give us some presence there which wasn't there before.

I don't view them as outsiders and never said that. They are part of the Big 12 and a welcomed addition. I just happen to think that some of their fans have a tad bit of an inflated opinion of themselves and their university. One would think that after last years numerous beat downs (in every sport) they would be coming to grips with themselves but I guess being the main university even in a somewhat insignificant state like West Virginia causes one to feel more important than one actually is.

Despite your mistaken assumption, West Virginia isn't a small, insignificant state. West Virginia coal powers more industry than Texas oil, and West Virginia's natural gas is clean and plentiful. Without the resources West Virginia supplies our industries, the nation's industrial complex would be greatly diminished...

As for the multiple beat downs, I seem to recall it took TCU a 2 point conversion in the last minute to down a WVU team without a defense. The only beat downs in conference games that WVU experienced were at the hands of TT, OSU, KSU. All the other games were close, with Oklahoma and TCU winning by just one point each. A couple of breaks in those games go WVU's way, instead of otherwise, and WVU has a 9 win season last year. I think you have an over-inflated sense of superiority here...

West Virginia may not have a huge population, or much industry, primarily due to the difficulties involved with mountainous terrain. But the State of West Virginia isn't insignificant. Had their been more work in the state, I'd never have left. IMO it is Almost Heaven...

You should visit the state sometime...

Be careful Bit. If this keeps up your board might go from "inactive" to "active". I wouldn't want to spoil your gig.

(07-31-2013 02:37 PM)Wobblefrog Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 10:03 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 06:23 PM)Wobblefrog Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 02:01 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Not all of us see WVU as outsiders. Sure, they're far away, but they're a good cultural fit. They're not going to dominate major Eastern markets, but they do give us some presence there which wasn't there before.

I don't view them as outsiders and never said that. They are part of the Big 12 and a welcomed addition. I just happen to think that some of their fans have a tad bit of an inflated opinion of themselves and their university. One would think that after last years numerous beat downs (in every sport) they would be coming to grips with themselves but I guess being the main university even in a somewhat insignificant state like West Virginia causes one to feel more important than one actually is.

Despite your mistaken assumption, West Virginia isn't a small, insignificant state. West Virginia coal powers more industry than Texas oil, and West Virginia's natural gas is clean and plentiful. Without the resources West Virginia supplies our industries, the nation's industrial complex would be greatly diminished...

As for the multiple beat downs, I seem to recall it took TCU a 2 point conversion in the last minute to down a WVU team without a defense. The only beat downs in conference games that WVU experienced were at the hands of TT, OSU, KSU. All the other games were close, with Oklahoma and TCU winning by just one point each. A couple of breaks in those games go WVU's way, instead of otherwise, and WVU has a 9 win season last year. I think you have an over-inflated sense of superiority here...

West Virginia may not have a huge population, or much industry, primarily due to the difficulties involved with mountainous terrain. But the State of West Virginia isn't insignificant. Had their been more work in the state, I'd never have left. IMO it is Almost Heaven...

You should visit the state sometime...

Be careful Bit. If this keeps up your board might go from "inactive" to "active". I wouldn't want to spoil your gig.

I'd like to see this board go active. But it takes more than a couple of posters. Perhaps once the season starts we can start talking football - for a change...

(07-30-2013 02:01 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Not all of us see WVU as outsiders. Sure, they're far away, but they're a good cultural fit. They're not going to dominate major Eastern markets, but they do give us some presence there which wasn't there before.

I agree. West Virginians aren't that much different than Texans and Oklahomans. Culturally, they can blend in perfectly in Norman.

(07-31-2013 04:27 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 02:01 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Not all of us see WVU as outsiders. Sure, they're far away, but they're a good cultural fit. They're not going to dominate major Eastern markets, but they do give us some presence there which wasn't there before.

I agree. West Virginians aren't that much different than Texans and Oklahomans. Culturally, they can blend in perfectly in Norman.

Yeah, WVU will be just fine culturally no matter what happens. If events lead to them in the SEC, there is no group on Earth more similar to West Virginians than eastern Kentuckians, and eastern Tennesseans/ northeast Georgians are not far behind. The 51st state should be South Appalachia, anyways

bitcruncher, Wobblefrog, let me give you an outsider's view to the value of West Virginia to the Big 12.
Wf, bc is accurate in the assessment of bringing east coast viewers to the southwestern/midwestern part of the country. It may not be in the numbers that you believe are significant or valuable to the other members of the conference, but it's enough to please the university presidents. The only thing the presidents didn't like about WVU is their academics, which is one thing that made them untenable to the SEC. They loved the Mountaineers athletic program.
bc, Wf has a reasonable stance on the overall quality of the WVU programs. They have some teams that are post season threats in any given year, but for the most part, they usually act as spoilers to legitimate title contenders. For as fertile a recruiting area as they are situated in, WVU seems only able to receive 2nd and 3rd tier athletes, not quite enough to make themselves consistent title contenders, but just enough to scare the living daylights out of everyone they play.
Both parties are extremely valuable to each other, and as you view each school's rosters over the next 5 years, you will see what I mean.
As for the topic of this thread, the Big 12 is not going anywhere any time soon. Until such time as Texas is offered the universe, they own enough of the world to where they don't need to make any type of move that will dissolve the Big 12.

(08-07-2013 01:42 AM)lcitsh Wrote:  bitcruncher, Wobblefrog, let me give you an outsider's view to the value of West Virginia to the Big 12.
Wf, bc is accurate in the assessment of bringing east coast viewers to the southwestern/midwestern part of the country. It may not be in the numbers that you believe are significant or valuable to the other members of the conference, but it's enough to please the university presidents. The only thing the presidents didn't like about WVU is their academics, which is one thing that made them untenable to the SEC. They loved the Mountaineers athletic program.
bc, Wf has a reasonable stance on the overall quality of the WVU programs. They have some teams that are post season threats in any given year, but for the most part, they usually act as spoilers to legitimate title contenders. For as fertile a recruiting area as they are situated in, WVU seems only able to receive 2nd and 3rd tier athletes, not quite enough to make themselves consistent title contenders, but just enough to scare the living daylights out of everyone they play.
Both parties are extremely valuable to each other, and as you view each school's rosters over the next 5 years, you will see what I mean.
As for the topic of this thread, the Big 12 is not going anywhere any time soon. Until such time as Texas is offered the universe, they own enough of the world to where they don't need to make any type of move that will dissolve the Big 12.

Hey, I appreciate your comments and I actually have no problem with West Virginia or WVU in any form. It is an honor to be in the same conference with them. We at TCU were "world-beaters" in the MWC and maybe WVU was the same in the BE but now we are both in the Big 12. Big, as in big reality check. Speaking of checks, just keep those $22 million a year ones coming and feel free to beat the crap out of us anytime you deem necessary.

(08-09-2013 04:11 PM)Wobblefrog Wrote:  

(08-07-2013 01:42 AM)lcitsh Wrote:  bitcruncher, Wobblefrog, let me give you an outsider's view to the value of West Virginia to the Big 12.
Wf, bc is accurate in the assessment of bringing east coast viewers to the southwestern/midwestern part of the country. It may not be in the numbers that you believe are significant or valuable to the other members of the conference, but it's enough to please the university presidents. The only thing the presidents didn't like about WVU is their academics, which is one thing that made them untenable to the SEC. They loved the Mountaineers athletic program.
bc, Wf has a reasonable stance on the overall quality of the WVU programs. They have some teams that are post season threats in any given year, but for the most part, they usually act as spoilers to legitimate title contenders. For as fertile a recruiting area as they are situated in, WVU seems only able to receive 2nd and 3rd tier athletes, not quite enough to make themselves consistent title contenders, but just enough to scare the living daylights out of everyone they play.
Both parties are extremely valuable to each other, and as you view each school's rosters over the next 5 years, you will see what I mean.
As for the topic of this thread, the Big 12 is not going anywhere any time soon. Until such time as Texas is offered the universe, they own enough of the world to where they don't need to make any type of move that will dissolve the Big 12.

Hey, I appreciate your comments and I actually have no problem with West Virginia or WVU in any form. It is an honor to be in the same conference with them. We at TCU were "world-beaters" in the MWC and maybe WVU was the same in the BE but now we are both in the Big 12. Big, as in big reality check. Speaking of checks, just keep those $22 million a year ones coming and feel free to beat the crap out of us anytime you deem necessary.

I don't understand this last comment. What checks, what $22M?

Look up the last conference payout to B12 conference members. Except for TCU and WVU, who weren't making the full payout, everyone else in the conference got $22 million from TV...