(07-31-2013 02:51 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  ...they'll field lacrosse and/or ice hockey is my bet. There's money to be had in ice hockey...question is, would BC be worth it?

Yeah, this is probably what they were talking about. Good point. There are a ton of associate members for the B1G to add in those sports. Nice strategy by them to get their schools into some more northeast associations.

the b10 just added its first ever associate member. i really doubt this is the type of conference that wants any more half affiliations than it already needs

(07-31-2013 02:54 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:51 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  ...they'll field lacrosse and/or ice hockey is my bet. There's money to be had in ice hockey...question is, would BC be worth it?

Yeah, this is probably what they were talking about. Good point. There are a ton of associate members for the B1G to add in those sports. Nice strategy by them to get their schools into some more northeast associations.

the b10 just added its first ever associate member. i really doubt this is the type of conference that wants any more half affiliations than it already needs

Let's say Nebraska adds hockey as is starting to become expected, they will need either another Big Ten school to start a program or they will need an associate member ala Johns Hopkins. That's about the only way I see another associate member being added.

Maybe turn their W? The new division alignments will feature Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, PURDUE, and Rutgers in the East Division and Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, KANSAS (have to have help re: GOR), MISSOURI (no exit fee, no GOR and kinda, really always wanted to be in the B1G) and Wisconsin in the West Division?

(07-31-2013 02:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:33 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:22 PM)bevotex Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:16 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the b10 did approach at least 4 other schools. but im not seeing them expand any more. they got their two schools, will get a new contract which will make them the highest paid conference....what more do they need?

Fans that whine less
Teams that win more
Better climate

Yep, but can we take any current Big 12 and ACC school off the table for such a move in the next two years due to their GOR's? If so, we are back to the usual suspects, which are slim at this point. I still think they should figure out a way to bring in the University of Toronto (you can check their credentials as a school pretty easily). Other than that, who is available that meets their minimal criteria? Buffalo, Missouri, Vanderbilt (if they got Missouri, Vandy is contiguous). If they are willing to give up the AAU status, the UConn is game. That seems to be about it unless the Ivy League is ready to suit it up.

buffalo/Toronto look good on paper, but in reality they are not b10 style schools.

honestly the 3 schools with the best chance imo are texas, colorado, & to a smaller extent aggie & mizz. if the b10 wants to go down the private school route then its duke, vandy, & syracuse to look at

Based on what I can see from their website (http://www.varsityblues.ca/), they could start competing in Olympic sports tomorrow. They could play football at the Sky Dome, home of the CFL team and the Blue Jays for baseball. Gorgeous facility. Ontario is producing tremendous basketball talent. The University is AAU and ranks internationally between 15 to 30 depending on which ranking you use. Plus, they go by the nickname "Varsity Blues"! 4 hour drive from Ann Arbor, 5 hour drive from State College, major international airport that would be super easy for travel.

Most important, they deliver the entire territory of Ontario to the Big 10. That is like delivering a state with 13.5 million people in it, not to mention the capital city of the country and one of the most important and vibrant cities in the world. I would at least think about it.

(07-31-2013 02:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:36 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  just kind of a crazy thought, but what about Kentucky leaving for the Big Ten? I know the football stinks, but it would be another feather in the cap for the Big Ten competiing with the ACC in basketball.

They wouldn't take UK because of academics. Athletics would be fine. We are not currently much worse than the bottom half of the Big 10 in football, anyway.

the osu president made fun of UK academics

... and then got fired.

(07-31-2013 03:03 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:33 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:22 PM)bevotex Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:16 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the b10 did approach at least 4 other schools. but im not seeing them expand any more. they got their two schools, will get a new contract which will make them the highest paid conference....what more do they need?

Fans that whine less
Teams that win more
Better climate

Yep, but can we take any current Big 12 and ACC school off the table for such a move in the next two years due to their GOR's? If so, we are back to the usual suspects, which are slim at this point. I still think they should figure out a way to bring in the University of Toronto (you can check their credentials as a school pretty easily). Other than that, who is available that meets their minimal criteria? Buffalo, Missouri, Vanderbilt (if they got Missouri, Vandy is contiguous). If they are willing to give up the AAU status, the UConn is game. That seems to be about it unless the Ivy League is ready to suit it up.

buffalo/Toronto look good on paper, but in reality they are not b10 style schools.

honestly the 3 schools with the best chance imo are texas, colorado, & to a smaller extent aggie & mizz. if the b10 wants to go down the private school route then its duke, vandy, & syracuse to look at

Based on what I can see from their website (http://www.varsityblues.ca/), they could start competing in Olympic sports tomorrow. They could play football at the Sky Dome, home of the CFL team and the Blue Jays for baseball. Gorgeous facility. Ontario is producing tremendous basketball talent. The University is AAU and ranks internationally between 15 to 30 depending on which ranking you use. Plus, they go by the nickname "Varsity Blues"! 4 hour drive from Ann Arbor, 5 hour drive from State College, major international airport that would be super easy for travel.

Most important, they deliver the entire territory of Ontario to the Big 10. That is like delivering a state with 13.5 million people in it, not to mention the capital city of the country and one of the most important and vibrant cities in the world. I would at least think about it.

good on paper but the b10 is not gonna add a school that very few people are familiar with. academics do play a factor, but not that big of a factor. its the same reason why no one wants tulane & rice

(07-31-2013 03:05 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:36 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  just kind of a crazy thought, but what about Kentucky leaving for the Big Ten? I know the football stinks, but it would be another feather in the cap for the Big Ten competiing with the ACC in basketball.

They wouldn't take UK because of academics. Athletics would be fine. We are not currently much worse than the bottom half of the Big 10 in football, anyway.

the osu president made fun of UK academics

... and then got fired.

but it just goes to show the b10s attitude on the whole thing

(07-31-2013 02:29 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  With the ACC and Big 12 locked up with GoR's, I can't imagine who he'd get. UConn and Missouri? They're not going to take Cincinnati because they would duplicate markets. I doubt Missouri would leave the SEC.

Eh. Count me as someone who does not think these "GOR" agreements are as rock solid as some believe. In my opinion, there are really only 3 conferences that are completely safe.

(07-31-2013 02:16 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the b10 did approach at least 4 other schools. but im not seeing them expand any more. they got their two schools, will get a new contract which will make them the highest paid conference....what more do they need?

They'll merge with the Ivy League except for football and basketball. It will help their lacrosse and crew programs.

(07-31-2013 03:08 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:29 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  With the ACC and Big 12 locked up with GoR's, I can't imagine who he'd get. UConn and Missouri? They're not going to take Cincinnati because they would duplicate markets. I doubt Missouri would leave the SEC.

Eh. Count me as someone who does not think these "GOR" agreements are as rock solid as some believe. In my opinion, there are really only 3 conferences that are completely safe.

i agree

(07-31-2013 02:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  yeah and i just dont see it guys. giving out hints & waiting around just isnt the b10s style. the sealed the deal on maryland before people even realized it happened with no prior buildup unlike the pac12, & sec

their gonna be the richest conference in 2016. so unless they wanna add notre dame & texas....i just dont see it.

I disagree. The Big10 said they were exploring expansion and we went through months and months of speculation and then the lobbying by schools like Missouri (and others - although Missouri's was the most overt) before they eventually added Nebraska. Other conferences reacted to the fact that the Big10 was even considering it (Pac10, ACC, SEC, Big12 etc) and added or invited schools before the Big10 actually invited anyone.

Everyone knew they were considering it again before the Maryland/Rutgers invites were accepted too.

Even the need for a lacrosse school (which turned out to be Johns Hopkins) was pretty well known, before anything went public about Johns Hopkins.

Some details (like who they are considering, who/if they will offer, the criteria, etc) seem to be less public - but the fact that they are considering expansion does not seem to be a secret the Big10 tries to keep under wraps.

To leave the ACC NOW would cost the departing school well over $52 million in addition to the buyout of the GoR.
I can't see that happening, that is just far to much money to be paid out.

My guess would be the Div.4 teams merge/expand together for one last media deal.

(07-31-2013 03:10 PM)nert Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  yeah and i just dont see it guys. giving out hints & waiting around just isnt the b10s style. the sealed the deal on maryland before people even realized it happened with no prior buildup unlike the pac12, & sec

their gonna be the richest conference in 2016. so unless they wanna add notre dame & texas....i just dont see it.

I disagree. The Big10 said they were exploring expansion and we went through months and months of speculation and then the lobbying by schools like Missouri (and others - although Missouri's was the most overt) before they eventually added Nebraska. Other conferences reacted to the fact that the Big10 was even considering it (Pac10, ACC, SEC, Big12 etc) and added or invited schools before the Big10 actually invited anyone.

Everyone knew they were considering it again before the Maryland/Rutgers invites were accepted too.

Even the need for a lacrosse school (which turned out to be Johns Hopkins) was pretty well known, before anything went public about Johns Hopkins.

Some details (like who they are considering, who/if they will offer, the criteria, etc) seem to be less public - but the fact that they are considering expansion does not seem to be a secret the Big10 tries to keep under wraps.

im a b10 homer and i have no idea what you are talking about. the b10 never gave a hint towards expansion before any of those moves. you can say "well people knew they were looking into it".....well thanks captain obvious its conference realignment. what conference isnt? but the point is that you hear stuff about b10 expansion from bloggers & tv personalities not from delany & co. the b10 swooped in quickly on JH UNL & MD no one gave those moves serious thought until it was over. the b10 may have started it with joe pa, but they didnt hang around on single schools the way texas did with the pac/acc or aggie/osu with the sec. no one from the b10 ever said school x to the b10 until it actually happened.

(07-31-2013 03:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 03:03 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:33 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:22 PM)bevotex Wrote:  Fans that whine less
Teams that win more
Better climate

Yep, but can we take any current Big 12 and ACC school off the table for such a move in the next two years due to their GOR's? If so, we are back to the usual suspects, which are slim at this point. I still think they should figure out a way to bring in the University of Toronto (you can check their credentials as a school pretty easily). Other than that, who is available that meets their minimal criteria? Buffalo, Missouri, Vanderbilt (if they got Missouri, Vandy is contiguous). If they are willing to give up the AAU status, the UConn is game. That seems to be about it unless the Ivy League is ready to suit it up.

buffalo/Toronto look good on paper, but in reality they are not b10 style schools.

honestly the 3 schools with the best chance imo are texas, colorado, & to a smaller extent aggie & mizz. if the b10 wants to go down the private school route then its duke, vandy, & syracuse to look at

Based on what I can see from their website (http://www.varsityblues.ca/), they could start competing in Olympic sports tomorrow. They could play football at the Sky Dome, home of the CFL team and the Blue Jays for baseball. Gorgeous facility. Ontario is producing tremendous basketball talent. The University is AAU and ranks internationally between 15 to 30 depending on which ranking you use. Plus, they go by the nickname "Varsity Blues"! 4 hour drive from Ann Arbor, 5 hour drive from State College, major international airport that would be super easy for travel.

Most important, they deliver the entire territory of Ontario to the Big 10. That is like delivering a state with 13.5 million people in it, not to mention the capital city of the country and one of the most important and vibrant cities in the world. I would at least think about it.

good on paper but the b10 is not gonna add a school that very few people are familiar with. academics do play a factor, but not that big of a factor. its the same reason why no one wants tulane & rice

john, expansion/realignment is about adding value. It would take Big 10 fans about 10 minutes to get as familiar with Toronto as they were with Rutgers before they came on board. They would basically be adding the most important university for an entire country. On every level, the University of Toronto is prestigious and excellent. Is that not what the Big 10 is all about? If the SEC was in the same geographical situation as the Big 10, I would want our schools to strongly consider them. I wrote a post several months ago suggesting Toronto for the Big 10 and the University of British Columbia (in Vancouver) for the PAC as soon as comparable schools in the U.S.A. no longer were available. I think we are pretty close to that point.

(07-31-2013 02:39 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:35 PM)lew240z Wrote:  Tulane and Rice. Northwestern is lonely as the only private.

Let's run with this one for a while.

Who is AAU, FBS, not in the SEC and not under a GOR?
Rice, Tulane, Buffalo. That's it. If you have to take two of those, Rice and Tulane win. As for SEC, its just Missouri, Vanderbilt, Florida and Texas A&M.

If Rice and Tulane are too far fetched, how about Florida and Georgia?

No one is leaving the B1G, SEC or PAC. Anyone that thinks otherwise has the wrong perspective (or is simply ignorant).

(07-31-2013 03:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:39 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:35 PM)lew240z Wrote:  Tulane and Rice. Northwestern is lonely as the only private.

Let's run with this one for a while.

Who is AAU, FBS, not in the SEC and not under a GOR?
Rice, Tulane, Buffalo. That's it. If you have to take two of those, Rice and Tulane win. As for SEC, its just Missouri, Vanderbilt, Florida and Texas A&M.

If Rice and Tulane are too far fetched, how about Florida and Georgia?

Are you trying to start Civil War II, bullet? :)

(07-31-2013 02:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  just kind of a crazy thought, but what about Kentucky leaving for the Big Ten? I know the football stinks, but it would be another feather in the cap for the Big Ten competiing with the ACC in basketball.

Why stop there? Get Kentucky (not AAU - but BB is top grade/contiguous state), Kansas (AAU and BB), Virginia (AAU, lacrosse and to bridge the gap to NC) and one of UNC/Duke (both AAU, lacrosse and BB).

Lacrosse goes to 8? Seriously improves BB (and injures ACC BB).

(07-31-2013 03:17 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 03:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 03:03 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:33 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  Yep, but can we take any current Big 12 and ACC school off the table for such a move in the next two years due to their GOR's? If so, we are back to the usual suspects, which are slim at this point. I still think they should figure out a way to bring in the University of Toronto (you can check their credentials as a school pretty easily). Other than that, who is available that meets their minimal criteria? Buffalo, Missouri, Vanderbilt (if they got Missouri, Vandy is contiguous). If they are willing to give up the AAU status, the UConn is game. That seems to be about it unless the Ivy League is ready to suit it up.

buffalo/Toronto look good on paper, but in reality they are not b10 style schools.

honestly the 3 schools with the best chance imo are texas, colorado, & to a smaller extent aggie & mizz. if the b10 wants to go down the private school route then its duke, vandy, & syracuse to look at

Based on what I can see from their website (http://www.varsityblues.ca/), they could start competing in Olympic sports tomorrow. They could play football at the Sky Dome, home of the CFL team and the Blue Jays for baseball. Gorgeous facility. Ontario is producing tremendous basketball talent. The University is AAU and ranks internationally between 15 to 30 depending on which ranking you use. Plus, they go by the nickname "Varsity Blues"! 4 hour drive from Ann Arbor, 5 hour drive from State College, major international airport that would be super easy for travel.

Most important, they deliver the entire territory of Ontario to the Big 10. That is like delivering a state with 13.5 million people in it, not to mention the capital city of the country and one of the most important and vibrant cities in the world. I would at least think about it.

good on paper but the b10 is not gonna add a school that very few people are familiar with. academics do play a factor, but not that big of a factor. its the same reason why no one wants tulane & rice

john, expansion/realignment is about adding value. It would take Big 10 fans about 10 minutes to get as familiar with Toronto as they were with Rutgers before they came on board. They would basically be adding the most important university for an entire country. On every level, the University of Toronto is prestigious and excellent. Is that not what the Big 10 is all about? If the SEC was in the same geographical situation as the Big 10, I would want our schools to strongly consider them. I wrote a post several months ago suggesting Toronto for the Big 10 and the University of British Columbia (in Vancouver) for the PAC as soon as comparable schools in the U.S.A. no longer were available. I think we are pretty close to that point.

and while were at it how about the university of havana to the sec?

the point is, is that the b10 is adding sports teams as well, and they are not gonna add a non FBS school.......chicago is a better option than toronto

im a "academics is everything in conf. realignment" type, but the whole point of academics is the academic name association. and toronto doesnt provide that because its not well known throughout the country. (it needs to be well known to non b10 fans as well)

(07-31-2013 03:23 PM)nert Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 02:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  just kind of a crazy thought, but what about Kentucky leaving for the Big Ten? I know the football stinks, but it would be another feather in the cap for the Big Ten competiing with the ACC in basketball.

Why stop there? Get Kentucky (not AAU - but BB is top grade/contiguous state), Kansas (AAU and BB), Virginia (AAU, lacrosse and to bridge the gap to NC) and one of UNC/Duke (both AAU, lacrosse and BB).

Lacrosse goes to 8? Seriously improves BB (and injures ACC BB).

the best lax/fb/bb school is cuse hands down