(07-26-2013 11:06 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 10:54 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  The Democratic Party is a big tent, liberals, progressives, centrists, moderates and conservatives are included.

The D's and the R's are roughly equal in terms of ideological range, and in terms of tolerance/encouragement to dissenting views within the party.

Maybe that is true in some states but I don't see it here in NC. Republicans are either tea party or chamber of commerce and the CofC guys are really losing ground.

Sorry...I won't be voting for this lardass.

Christie is just another blue tinged northeast coast supposed Republican. His statements on libertarians (with which I have many disagreements, too) are just too harsh and show and tell me that he is just another big government tool and statist.

His use of emotionalism is understandable, given his location. But that is how the left argues for what it wants. How about logic? How about not mocking a constituency that the GOP needs to win elections. Criticism is one thing, mocking is quite another. He has many cohorts with the same kinds of thoughts among the 'leadership' of the GOP, such as it is.

To me, a nomination of Christie would be another in a long line of GOP failures. Yet some wonder why the grassroots is ready to flee the GOP? It is because of guys like this.

Vote for Christy and let the Dems win, no thanks.

Chritsie may as well run as a Democrat.

Christie had no chance. He will never get the conservative base. He is left of and far less "presidential" than Mitt Romney and Mitt couldn't get them to the polls. His authoritarian approach will turn off the libertarian wing as well.

Rick Perry is probably the best candidate is he can keep from popping painkillers before the debates.

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(07-27-2013 12:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Christie had no chance. He will never get the conservative base. He is left of and far less "presidential" than Mitt Romney and Mitt couldn't get them to the polls. His authoritarian approach will turn off the libertarian wing as well.

Rick Perry is probably the best candidate is he can keep from popping painkillers before the debates.

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IMO, if the Republicans hang their hat on Rick Perry, they are in big trouble.

(07-26-2013 11:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  What percentage of Obama's voters are in play for a far right candidate like Rubio, Ryan, Paul, Santorum etc?

You do realize that Obama got a majority of the vote in 2008 and 2012? Simply ignoring their views, even in the GOP primary, isn't likely to be successful.

Even if Hillary isn't the nominee, the Dems have a pretty strong bench. Watch out for Senator Warner of Virginia if HRC doesn't run.

I don't think anyone can beat HRC though. She outperforms Obama with women, working class whites, Hispanics, and holds her own in the African American community (the Clinton's remain very popular).

I think this is a sort sighted opinion.

Obama getting the majority of the vote may not have been as big of an operation of "who voted" as much as "who didn't vote". Cain and Mitt did not appeal to a good bit of the GOP's base.

I think Obama showed us that reaching across to the other side is not as important as energizing your base to get out and vote for you.

Good question. How many Obama voters aren't going to vote at all in 2016?

(07-26-2013 10:10 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 10:04 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  If Clinton does decide to run I know who I'll be voting for right off the bat. Easy peasy.

Why? What in her past makes you think she'll be a good president?

Sleazy lawyer, invisible senator, incompetent secretary of state.

That just screams presidential material, doesn't it?

You might think she's all of those things but to me she's the damn best out of all the morons in the Republican Party and most of the incompetent ones in the Democratic Party too.

(07-27-2013 02:36 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 10:10 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 10:04 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  If Clinton does decide to run I know who I'll be voting for right off the bat. Easy peasy.

Why? What in her past makes you think she'll be a good president?

Sleazy lawyer, invisible senator, incompetent secretary of state.

That just screams presidential material, doesn't it?

You might think she's all of those things but to me she's the damn best out of all the morons in the Republican Party and most of the incompetent ones in the Democratic Party too.

I don't think so. I've got history to inform me. If America can't (or won't) come up with someone better, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

So, answer the question. What makes her presidential timber? Don't tell me how electable she is. I already know that. Assume she's elected. Then what?

Look at her career. Take a good, hard, objective look at it. She's abrasive, thin-skinned, and paranoid. She's also ****** up a whole lot of things she's been put in charge of. She's the Democrats' Richard Nixon.

(07-27-2013 02:44 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 02:36 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 10:10 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 10:04 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  If Clinton does decide to run I know who I'll be voting for right off the bat. Easy peasy.

Why? What in her past makes you think she'll be a good president?

Sleazy lawyer, invisible senator, incompetent secretary of state.

That just screams presidential material, doesn't it?

You might think she's all of those things but to me she's the damn best out of all the morons in the Republican Party and most of the incompetent ones in the Democratic Party too.

I don't think so. I've got history to inform me. If America can't (or won't) come up with someone better, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

So, answer the question. What makes her presidential timber? Don't tell me how electable she is. I already know that. Assume she's elected. Then what?

Look at her career. Take a good, hard, objective look at it. She's abrasive, thin-skinned, and paranoid. She's also ****** up a whole lot of things she's been put in charge of. She's the Democrats' Richard Nixon.

You never know how someone will be as president.

(07-27-2013 03:44 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 02:44 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 02:36 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 10:10 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 10:04 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  If Clinton does decide to run I know who I'll be voting for right off the bat. Easy peasy.

Why? What in her past makes you think she'll be a good president?

Sleazy lawyer, invisible senator, incompetent secretary of state.

That just screams presidential material, doesn't it?

You might think she's all of those things but to me she's the damn best out of all the morons in the Republican Party and most of the incompetent ones in the Democratic Party too.

I don't think so. I've got history to inform me. If America can't (or won't) come up with someone better, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

So, answer the question. What makes her presidential timber? Don't tell me how electable she is. I already know that. Assume she's elected. Then what?

Look at her career. Take a good, hard, objective look at it. She's abrasive, thin-skinned, and paranoid. She's also ****** up a whole lot of things she's been put in charge of. She's the Democrats' Richard Nixon.

You never know how someone will be as president.

Using that logic, the guy under the Tallapoosa Street bridge is qualified.

(07-26-2013 09:55 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Or we liberal republicans will probably vote for HRC. Do our party some good for once.

what is a "liberal republican"?

(07-27-2013 03:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 03:44 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 02:44 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 02:36 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 10:10 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Why? What in her past makes you think she'll be a good president?

Sleazy lawyer, invisible senator, incompetent secretary of state.

That just screams presidential material, doesn't it?

You might think she's all of those things but to me she's the damn best out of all the morons in the Republican Party and most of the incompetent ones in the Democratic Party too.

I don't think so. I've got history to inform me. If America can't (or won't) come up with someone better, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

So, answer the question. What makes her presidential timber? Don't tell me how electable she is. I already know that. Assume she's elected. Then what?

Look at her career. Take a good, hard, objective look at it. She's abrasive, thin-skinned, and paranoid. She's also ****** up a whole lot of things she's been put in charge of. She's the Democrats' Richard Nixon.

You never know how someone will be as president.

Using that logic, the guy under the Tallapoosa Street bridge is qualified.

Hell, he might be the next George Washington under politcal pressure. Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Reagan were suppose to be bad presidents. Grant, Hoover, and Kennedy were suppose to be great presidents.

(07-27-2013 04:57 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 03:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 03:44 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 02:44 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 02:36 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  You might think she's all of those things but to me she's the damn best out of all the morons in the Republican Party and most of the incompetent ones in the Democratic Party too.

I don't think so. I've got history to inform me. If America can't (or won't) come up with someone better, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

So, answer the question. What makes her presidential timber? Don't tell me how electable she is. I already know that. Assume she's elected. Then what?

Look at her career. Take a good, hard, objective look at it. She's abrasive, thin-skinned, and paranoid. She's also ****** up a whole lot of things she's been put in charge of. She's the Democrats' Richard Nixon.

You never know how someone will be as president.

Using that logic, the guy under the Tallapoosa Street bridge is qualified.

Hell, he might be the next George Washington under politcal pressure. Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Reagan were suppose to be bad presidents. Grant, Hoover, and Kennedy were suppose to be great presidents.

So, disregard track records and careers of people who want to be leader of the free world? We have to make choices based on what we know about people. It may not be perfect, but your method does not strike me as an improvement.

Hell, he might be the next George Washington under politcal pressure. Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Reagan were suppose to be bad presidents. Grant, Hoover, and Kennedy were suppose to be great presidents.

i always thought that reagan was way overrated. and how the heck can you say kennedy wasnt a good president

(07-27-2013 02:18 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Good question. How many Obama voters aren't going to vote at all in 2016?

I am planning on voting in at least 8 states in the next presidential election!

(07-27-2013 05:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Hell, he might be the next George Washington under politcal pressure. Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Reagan were suppose to be bad presidents. Grant, Hoover, and Kennedy were suppose to be great presidents.

i always thought that reagan was way overrated. and how the heck can you say kennedy wasnt a good president

What did he do that made him a good president, besides being so damned pretty?

(07-27-2013 03:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 03:44 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 02:44 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 02:36 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 10:10 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Why? What in her past makes you think she'll be a good president?

Sleazy lawyer, invisible senator, incompetent secretary of state.

That just screams presidential material, doesn't it?

You might think she's all of those things but to me she's the damn best out of all the morons in the Republican Party and most of the incompetent ones in the Democratic Party too.

I don't think so. I've got history to inform me. If America can't (or won't) come up with someone better, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

So, answer the question. What makes her presidential timber? Don't tell me how electable she is. I already know that. Assume she's elected. Then what?

Look at her career. Take a good, hard, objective look at it. She's abrasive, thin-skinned, and paranoid. She's also ****** up a whole lot of things she's been put in charge of. She's the Democrats' Richard Nixon.

You never know how someone will be as president.

Using that logic, the guy under the Tallapoosa Street bridge is qualified.

Sorry, you aren't qualified.