(07-15-2013 01:09 PM)bevotex Wrote:  Is this it?

Search your feelings Luke...

(07-15-2013 01:36 PM)Blackhawk-eye Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:09 PM)bevotex Wrote:  Is this it?

Have you tried the LHN? They're looking for people.

LOL.

(07-15-2013 01:55 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:47 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:27 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  this place is more active than hoop, with much better mods

my only complaint is a lack of pac12 posters, & not enough liberals

and what's that got to do with anything?

i like a good politic forum, but its over the top conservative. probably scares away most liberals cuz a dem just cant win on that board

im not talking about the sports part of the forum

I am a moderate Republican and I can talk with any liberal, provided they don't fly off the handle the first I disagree with their politics. I've found many liberals to be just as annoying with their leftist ideals, as the religious kooks who occupy the religious right. Moderation is what our country needs. Wake me up when that happens. Oh, and my real name is Rumplestilskin. LOL

Agreed entirely. I have given this particular issue a lot of thought and still can't figure out how any reasonable person can describe themselves flatly as a "conservative" or a "liberal"? Honestly, that makes no sense to me at all. Rather, I think everything is situationally dependent.

In that way, politics is kinda like football. I don't think anyone can ever say, "I play go-for-broke football on every down" or "I never take any chances and play everything close to the vest." How one plays or which chances one chooses to take, or not to take, depends on a lot of factors including score, time, opponent, feel, statistical factors, and about 10,000 other things. That's just how politics is too. Sometimes, you have to take a harder line on things than you do at other times. Also, sometimes you have to admit that how you felt about an issue or series of issues was wrong and needed to change. That's just part of being an intelligent person in a complex world.

I think any thoughtful person - whether they be a politician, a coach, or just a regular citizen with an interest in sports or politics - understands that neither approach is ever always right or always wrong. The key is - as always - trying to strike a balance.

Also, I don't think either political philosophy exactly has a monopoly on intelligence or reasonableness. I think, in most cases, they are each severely lacking on both fronts.

(07-15-2013 01:27 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  this place is more active than hoop, with much better mods

my only complaint is a lack of pac12 posters, & not enough liberals

and what's that got to do with anything?

I'm one of the few liberals on here, and I have to agree what does that have to do with anything?

(07-15-2013 01:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  this place is more active than hoop, with much better mods

my only complaint is a lack of pac12 posters, & not enough liberals

There is definitely an "East Coast" bias due to the underrepresentation of Big12 and PAC fans. A pertinent example is that UT is about 90% certain to be an independent with an ACC scheduling arrangement when the GoR expires based on a survey of realignment scenarios posted here.

(07-15-2013 05:48 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:55 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:47 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:27 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  this place is more active than hoop, with much better mods

my only complaint is a lack of pac12 posters, & not enough liberals

and what's that got to do with anything?

i like a good politic forum, but its over the top conservative. probably scares away most liberals cuz a dem just cant win on that board

im not talking about the sports part of the forum

I am a moderate Republican and I can talk with any liberal, provided they don't fly off the handle the first I disagree with their politics. I've found many liberals to be just as annoying with their leftist ideals, as the religious kooks who occupy the religious right. Moderation is what our country needs. Wake me up when that happens. Oh, and my real name is Rumplestilskin. LOL

Agreed entirely. I have given this particular issue a lot of thought and still can't figure out how any reasonable person can describe themselves flatly as a "conservative" or a "liberal"? Honestly, that makes no sense to me at all. Rather, I think everything is situationally dependent.

In that way, politics is kinda like football. I don't think anyone can ever say, "I play go-for-broke football on every down" or "I never take any chances and play everything close to the vest." How one plays or which chances one chooses to take, or not to take, depends on a lot of factors including score, time, opponent, feel, statistical factors, and about 10,000 other things. That's just how politics is too. Sometimes, you have to take a harder line on things than you do at other times. Also, sometimes you have to admit that how you felt about an issue or series of issues was wrong and needed to change. That's just part of being an intelligent person in a complex world.

I think any thoughtful person - whether they be a politician, a coach, or just a regular citizen with an interest in sports or politics - understands that neither approach is ever always right or always wrong. The key is - as always - trying to strike a balance.

Also, I don't think either political philosophy exactly has a monopoly on intelligence or reasonableness. I think, in most cases, they are each severely lacking on both fronts.

I agree, and I think it's just another example of people oversimplifying things to make it easier for mass consumption.

I've also come to the conclusion that, to the extent that people join groups that are of the same political persuasion, they become less reasonable over time.

(07-15-2013 01:27 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  this place is more active than hoop, with much better mods

my only complaint is a lack of pac12 posters, & not enough liberals

and what's that got to do with anything?

I believe he's referencing the spin room.

welcome, bevo. by the way, we owe you one after you swept us in baseball this year.

Why are you leaving Sportsnation (I used to be there too and left when they changed the board format in 2011)?

(07-15-2013 07:55 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  Why are you leaving Sportsnation (I used to be there too and left when they changed the board format in 2011)?

ESPN is shutting down all of their forums on the 17th. The recent influx of new posters are mostly from there.

(07-15-2013 06:38 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  this place is more active than hoop, with much better mods

my only complaint is a lack of pac12 posters, & not enough liberals

There is definitely an "East Coast" bias due to the underrepresentation of Big12 and PAC fans. A pertinent example is that UT is about 90% certain to be an independent with an ACC scheduling arrangement when the GoR expires based on a survey of realignment scenarios posted here.

and i think thats whats gonna happen....but yeah i see your point

(07-15-2013 08:03 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 07:55 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  Why are you leaving Sportsnation (I used to be there too and left when they changed the board format in 2011)?

ESPN is shutting down all of their forums on the 17th. The recent influx of new posters are mostly from there.

I had some fun, fun times there too. I spent most of my time on the college basketball, NBA and NFL forums (if you can call all that off topic stuff NFL talk). The college football board was often just a little too busy so I barely spent any time on it.

(07-15-2013 05:48 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:55 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:47 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:27 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  this place is more active than hoop, with much better mods

my only complaint is a lack of pac12 posters, & not enough liberals

and what's that got to do with anything?

i like a good politic forum, but its over the top conservative. probably scares away most liberals cuz a dem just cant win on that board

im not talking about the sports part of the forum

I am a moderate Republican and I can talk with any liberal, provided they don't fly off the handle the first I disagree with their politics. I've found many liberals to be just as annoying with their leftist ideals, as the religious kooks who occupy the religious right. Moderation is what our country needs. Wake me up when that happens. Oh, and my real name is Rumplestilskin. LOL

Agreed entirely. I have given this particular issue a lot of thought and still can't figure out how any reasonable person can describe themselves flatly as a "conservative" or a "liberal"? Honestly, that makes no sense to me at all. Rather, I think everything is situationally dependent.

In that way, politics is kinda like football. I don't think anyone can ever say, "I play go-for-broke football on every down" or "I never take any chances and play everything close to the vest." How one plays or which chances one chooses to take, or not to take, depends on a lot of factors including score, time, opponent, feel, statistical factors, and about 10,000 other things. That's just how politics is too. Sometimes, you have to take a harder line on things than you do at other times. Also, sometimes you have to admit that how you felt about an issue or series of issues was wrong and needed to change. That's just part of being an intelligent person in a complex world.

I think any thoughtful person - whether they be a politician, a coach, or just a regular citizen with an interest in sports or politics - understands that neither approach is ever always right or always wrong. The key is - as always - trying to strike a balance.

Also, I don't think either political philosophy exactly has a monopoly on intelligence or reasonableness. I think, in most cases, they are each severely lacking on both fronts.

Time for my cynical political rant:


I have been a lobbyist in the past and have seen the political process from the inside and up close.

It is my opinion that both major parties are really two sides to the same coin.

Two wings of the same entity, serving the same masters and pursuing similar goals...cash and votes.

They are only interested in campaign contributions, votes and whatever else they can con from Joe Public by creating "issues" between the two "different" sides/parties.

I don't think that either side of the aisle really "believes" in anything other than self interest.....votes, contributions and perks.

It is like the old saying "One lawyer in town, he starves. Two lawyers in town, they both get rich."

The two parties have to create "issues", "controversy" and "news" to fire up the party faithful on Fox and MSNBC so the money trough keeps flowing.

Anyone who truly "believes" in any politician and thinks that they actually care about anything outside of themselves, especially the greater good of the Republic, has bought a bill of goods, in my humble opinion.

(07-16-2013 07:39 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 05:48 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:55 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:47 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:27 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  and what's that got to do with anything?

i like a good politic forum, but its over the top conservative. probably scares away most liberals cuz a dem just cant win on that board

im not talking about the sports part of the forum

I am a moderate Republican and I can talk with any liberal, provided they don't fly off the handle the first I disagree with their politics. I've found many liberals to be just as annoying with their leftist ideals, as the religious kooks who occupy the religious right. Moderation is what our country needs. Wake me up when that happens. Oh, and my real name is Rumplestilskin. LOL

Agreed entirely. I have given this particular issue a lot of thought and still can't figure out how any reasonable person can describe themselves flatly as a "conservative" or a "liberal"? Honestly, that makes no sense to me at all. Rather, I think everything is situationally dependent.

In that way, politics is kinda like football. I don't think anyone can ever say, "I play go-for-broke football on every down" or "I never take any chances and play everything close to the vest." How one plays or which chances one chooses to take, or not to take, depends on a lot of factors including score, time, opponent, feel, statistical factors, and about 10,000 other things. That's just how politics is too. Sometimes, you have to take a harder line on things than you do at other times. Also, sometimes you have to admit that how you felt about an issue or series of issues was wrong and needed to change. That's just part of being an intelligent person in a complex world.

I think any thoughtful person - whether they be a politician, a coach, or just a regular citizen with an interest in sports or politics - understands that neither approach is ever always right or always wrong. The key is - as always - trying to strike a balance.

Also, I don't think either political philosophy exactly has a monopoly on intelligence or reasonableness. I think, in most cases, they are each severely lacking on both fronts.

Time for my cynical political rant:


I have been a lobbyist in the past and have seen the political process from the inside and up close.

It is my opinion that both major parties are really two sides to the same coin.

Two wings of the same entity, serving the same masters and pursuing similar goals...cash and votes.

They are only interested in campaign contributions, votes and whatever else they can con from Joe Public by creating "issues" between the two "different" sides/parties.

I don't think that either side of the aisle really "believes" in anything other than self interest.....votes, contributions and perks.

It is like the old saying "One lawyer in town, he starves. Two lawyers in town, they both get rich."

The two parties have to create "issues", "controversy" and "news" to fire up the party faithful on Fox and MSNBC so the money trough keeps flowing.

Anyone who truly "believes" in any politician and thinks that they actually care about anything outside of themselves, especially the greater good of the Republic, has bought a bill of goods, in my humble opinion.

Cynical? Yes
Accurate? Absolutely

just remember to take everything Miko says with a grain of salt... (Okay, a whole pitcherful of salt :) ) and if Tallgrass goes on his rants... well.. you'll learn about Tallgrass :)

(07-15-2013 01:47 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:27 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  this place is more active than hoop, with much better mods

my only complaint is a lack of pac12 posters, & not enough liberals

and what's that got to do with anything?

i like a good politic forum, but its over the top conservative. probably scares away most liberals cuz a dem just cant win on that board

im not talking about the sports part of the forum

There are several posters who still like to bring politics into their sports discussions and others who have extremely political sigs.

(07-15-2013 08:03 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 07:55 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  Why are you leaving Sportsnation (I used to be there too and left when they changed the board format in 2011)?

ESPN is shutting down all of their forums on the 17th. The recent influx of new posters are mostly from there.

Not shutting down, just forcing people to connect their ramblings to their Facebook accounts so the anonymous now have to put their face to their usually racist/misogynist/close minded/insulting/off base posts. Many don't want to do that.

(07-16-2013 07:54 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 07:39 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 05:48 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:55 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:47 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i like a good politic forum, but its over the top conservative. probably scares away most liberals cuz a dem just cant win on that board

im not talking about the sports part of the forum

I am a moderate Republican and I can talk with any liberal, provided they don't fly off the handle the first I disagree with their politics. I've found many liberals to be just as annoying with their leftist ideals, as the religious kooks who occupy the religious right. Moderation is what our country needs. Wake me up when that happens. Oh, and my real name is Rumplestilskin. LOL

Agreed entirely. I have given this particular issue a lot of thought and still can't figure out how any reasonable person can describe themselves flatly as a "conservative" or a "liberal"? Honestly, that makes no sense to me at all. Rather, I think everything is situationally dependent.

In that way, politics is kinda like football. I don't think anyone can ever say, "I play go-for-broke football on every down" or "I never take any chances and play everything close to the vest." How one plays or which chances one chooses to take, or not to take, depends on a lot of factors including score, time, opponent, feel, statistical factors, and about 10,000 other things. That's just how politics is too. Sometimes, you have to take a harder line on things than you do at other times. Also, sometimes you have to admit that how you felt about an issue or series of issues was wrong and needed to change. That's just part of being an intelligent person in a complex world.

I think any thoughtful person - whether they be a politician, a coach, or just a regular citizen with an interest in sports or politics - understands that neither approach is ever always right or always wrong. The key is - as always - trying to strike a balance.

Also, I don't think either political philosophy exactly has a monopoly on intelligence or reasonableness. I think, in most cases, they are each severely lacking on both fronts.

Time for my cynical political rant:


I have been a lobbyist in the past and have seen the political process from the inside and up close.

It is my opinion that both major parties are really two sides to the same coin.

Two wings of the same entity, serving the same masters and pursuing similar goals...cash and votes.

They are only interested in campaign contributions, votes and whatever else they can con from Joe Public by creating "issues" between the two "different" sides/parties.

I don't think that either side of the aisle really "believes" in anything other than self interest.....votes, contributions and perks.

It is like the old saying "One lawyer in town, he starves. Two lawyers in town, they both get rich."

The two parties have to create "issues", "controversy" and "news" to fire up the party faithful on Fox and MSNBC so the money trough keeps flowing.

Anyone who truly "believes" in any politician and thinks that they actually care about anything outside of themselves, especially the greater good of the Republic, has bought a bill of goods, in my humble opinion.

Cynical? Yes
Accurate? Absolutely

Yup, I'd say that hit the nail squarely on it's head.

(07-16-2013 12:59 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 08:03 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 07:55 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  Why are you leaving Sportsnation (I used to be there too and left when they changed the board format in 2011)?

ESPN is shutting down all of their forums on the 17th. The recent influx of new posters are mostly from there.

Not shutting down, just forcing people to connect their ramblings to their Facebook accounts so the anonymous now have to put their face to their usually racist/misogynist/close minded/insulting/off base posts. Many don't want to do that.

Yup. ^

Quote:The cesspool that allowed sports fans to anonymously post their unpunctuated thoughts about sports while hiding behind the shield of anonymity is being replaced by a system that will force users to tether their comments to their Facebook accounts.

http://deadspin.com/remembering-occupy-t...-800231412

(07-16-2013 01:06 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 07:54 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 07:39 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 05:48 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:55 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I am a moderate Republican and I can talk with any liberal, provided they don't fly off the handle the first I disagree with their politics. I've found many liberals to be just as annoying with their leftist ideals, as the religious kooks who occupy the religious right. Moderation is what our country needs. Wake me up when that happens. Oh, and my real name is Rumplestilskin. LOL

Agreed entirely. I have given this particular issue a lot of thought and still can't figure out how any reasonable person can describe themselves flatly as a "conservative" or a "liberal"? Honestly, that makes no sense to me at all. Rather, I think everything is situationally dependent.

In that way, politics is kinda like football. I don't think anyone can ever say, "I play go-for-broke football on every down" or "I never take any chances and play everything close to the vest." How one plays or which chances one chooses to take, or not to take, depends on a lot of factors including score, time, opponent, feel, statistical factors, and about 10,000 other things. That's just how politics is too. Sometimes, you have to take a harder line on things than you do at other times. Also, sometimes you have to admit that how you felt about an issue or series of issues was wrong and needed to change. That's just part of being an intelligent person in a complex world.

I think any thoughtful person - whether they be a politician, a coach, or just a regular citizen with an interest in sports or politics - understands that neither approach is ever always right or always wrong. The key is - as always - trying to strike a balance.

Also, I don't think either political philosophy exactly has a monopoly on intelligence or reasonableness. I think, in most cases, they are each severely lacking on both fronts.

Time for my cynical political rant:


I have been a lobbyist in the past and have seen the political process from the inside and up close.

It is my opinion that both major parties are really two sides to the same coin.

Two wings of the same entity, serving the same masters and pursuing similar goals...cash and votes.

They are only interested in campaign contributions, votes and whatever else they can con from Joe Public by creating "issues" between the two "different" sides/parties.

I don't think that either side of the aisle really "believes" in anything other than self interest.....votes, contributions and perks.

It is like the old saying "One lawyer in town, he starves. Two lawyers in town, they both get rich."

The two parties have to create "issues", "controversy" and "news" to fire up the party faithful on Fox and MSNBC so the money trough keeps flowing.

Anyone who truly "believes" in any politician and thinks that they actually care about anything outside of themselves, especially the greater good of the Republic, has bought a bill of goods, in my humble opinion.

Cynical? Yes
Accurate? Absolutely

Yup, I'd say that hit the nail squarely on it's head.

Spot on Terry D.