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(07-13-2013 10:53 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-13-2013 10:24 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Defense or not, opposition teams prepared for and played against Painter.
No big man= big issues.

That is no doubt correct. And it may very well be that there was no answer whatsoever to the "collapse on Painter" game plan -- I'm candidly not enough of a student of the game to know.

But since I am only a fan (and thus free to air my ignorance pretty much without consequence), I'm hoping that Coach Jones holds himself to a higher standard. Interim Coach Corrigan certainly seemed to have a handle on how to deal with the lack of a true big man. Other teams have figured out how to win, even when at a disadvantage in the paint.

AD Wood "The New Face of ODU Athletics" Selig has promised us a winning program. The challenges facing Coach Jones were mostly known at the time of his hire. I don't fault him at all for tempering preseason expectations -- that is a smart, coaching move, especially for a young team in transition. I do, however, expect ODU to make a respectable showing in its inaugural CUSA season. For me, that includes a winning record at the end of the season.

Agreed on the point of tempering expectations.
It is always better to under promise and under deliver.

Obviously I was not s fan of the Jeff Jones hiring.

However, he is an experienced coach who has made the right calls with his staff and seems to have a handle on player types needed with respect to recruiting.
IMHO, he will certainly produce a winner at ODU, and given the resources available, he should well eclipse his product at AU.

But, with what we have going into this season I will be shocked if we go better than .500.
Sorry for being so negative when I am so positive about fb and wbb.

Thanks for being positive!

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Right now the non-con, as far as I've seen here:

Home: Georgia Southern, Presbyterian, Missouri State, College of Charleston, Murray State, George Mason
Road: UNC Wilmington, VCU
Neutral: West Virginia, Wisconsin/St. Louis

ECU is home/home in conference, everyone else is TBD.

Getting out of the current non-con with a 4-6 mark should be the floor (GaSo, Presby, UNC Wilmington, one of CofC/Murray/GMU). 6-4 would be a nice accomplishment (all three of that trio). Anything else would require a lot of things to break right.

Overall, I'd say 10 wins is a reasonable expectation, but anything better than .500 isn't especially likely, at least as things stand now.

Also:

Home: NC Central/Howard
Road: Richmond

One unaccounted for mystery game yet to be announced

Remember Isaiah Canaan and Ed Daniel are gone from a Murray State team that was leaking oil last season. Missouri State is no major challenge. At UNCW should always be a win.

8-7 Non Con
8-8 Conference Play

16-15 would be a season everyone would likely be encouraged by. If all goes well from here on out.

(07-13-2013 03:47 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  Also:

Home: NC Central/Howard
Road: Richmond

One unaccounted for mystery game yet to be announced

Remember Isaiah Canaan and Ed Daniel are gone from a Murray State team that was leaking oil last season. Missouri State is no major challenge. At UNCW should always be a win.

8-7 Non Con
8-8 Conference Play

16-15 would be a season everyone would likely be encouraged by. If all goes well from here on out.

Ah. So taking that in account, I'd say five/six wins in non-con is an absolute must, and eight would be a nice goal. Ultimate grounded dream is only three non-con losses, presuming the Cancun games and VCU are probably a bridge too far this season. Of course, it's really hard to get a handle on where everyone is right now -- teams like Howard and Presby should be easy wins, but so were UTSA, Morgan State and VMI last season.

I will also add that West Virginia is a train wreck. That could be a possibility as well.

(07-13-2013 04:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Of course, it's really hard to get a handle on where everyone is right now -- teams like Howard and Presby should be easy wins, but so were UTSA, Morgan State and VMI last season.

I agree it is tough to gauge with still so many question marks.

For me, I am treating last year as a complete aberration. Regardless of how we performed last season this year was always going to be a rebuild. We are very young and very thin up front. I do think we have a good group of guards (with or without Freeman this season).

A new coaching staff is absolutely going to benefit the team this year. No preconceived player judgments or square-peg-into-round-hole strategies. Simply readying the best possible team on the court.

There is a a difference between lowing your standards and having realistic expectations. Standards and expectations are not synonymous.

8-8 in cusa??? You're dreaming.

Apparently many of these have been issued.

Mkay.

(07-14-2013 02:28 AM)Monarch_Pride Wrote:  Mkay.

You have to offer him a carrot if you want him to respond.

(07-14-2013 04:50 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-14-2013 02:28 AM)Monarch_Pride Wrote:  Mkay.

You have to offer him a carrot if you want him to respond.

I second the vote to derail this thread with carrots.

(07-13-2013 10:11 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(07-13-2013 07:32 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  First, although this has certainly been a rough off-season, I don't agree that it was the worst we've ever seen. The 2011(?) offseason, during which Nick Wright managed to get himself suspended and Kent Bazemore broke his foot, followed immediately (although at the time unbeknownst to us) by his dui arrest, presented more of a challenge.

I agree about this offseason being strange and presenting its own challenges but not being the toughest. The only unforeseen situation was Deion Clark's injury.

If you take the team's record under Corrigan and extrapolate over the entire season the team "should have" won 11 games. I don't think a 4 game improvement to .500 is unreasonable.

You can't simply extrapolate the record with 2 days prep and the morale and personal destruction Taylor left JC with. I think JC wins more than 11 games if he coaches the team from the beginning.

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(07-14-2013 10:34 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-13-2013 10:11 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(07-13-2013 07:32 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  First, although this has certainly been a rough off-season, I don't agree that it was the worst we've ever seen. The 2011(?) offseason, during which Nick Wright managed to get himself suspended and Kent Bazemore broke his foot, followed immediately (although at the time unbeknownst to us) by his dui arrest, presented more of a challenge.

I agree about this offseason being strange and presenting its own challenges but not being the toughest. The only unforeseen situation was Deion Clark's injury.

If you take the team's record under Corrigan and extrapolate over the entire season the team "should have" won 11 games. I don't think a 4 game improvement to .500 is unreasonable.

You can't simply extrapolate the record with 2 days prep and the morale and personal destruction Taylor left JC with. I think JC wins more than 11 games if he coaches the team from the beginning.

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I totally agree about the rudimentary nature of my assessment and your conclusions that a JC coached team would have won more over the entire season. That only strengthens my point.

Also,

If I may be so bold....

With the loss of Hill and Painter, and the injury to Clark, we are substantially leaner than last year.

Likely JC wins many more than BT did.
Last year we at least had a nucleus of experience and talent, and a horrendous conference.

This year's CUSA is light-years ahead of last years train wreck that was the CAA.
I fervently hope I am wrong, but we might not win a game in conference.

And that is no reflection on Coach Jones.

(07-14-2013 04:35 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  This year's CUSA is light-years ahead of last years train wreck that was the CAA.
I fervently hope I am wrong, but we might not win a game in conference.

And that is no reflection on Coach Jones.

I'll reserve judgment on Coach Jones.

But if we get totally skunked in conference play this coming season, then Wood "The New Face of ODU Athletics" Selig had better find himself a burqa.

(07-14-2013 04:35 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  If I may be so bold....

With the loss of Hill and Painter, and the injury to Clark, we are substantially leaner than last year.

Likely JC wins many more than BT did.
Last year we at least had a nucleus of experience and talent, and a horrendous conference.

This year's CUSA is light-years ahead of last years train wreck that was the CAA.
I fervently hope I am wrong, but we might not win a game in conference.

And that is no reflection on Coach Jones.

Come on 78, I choose not to even consider the glass empty without a drop of water insight. I don't know much about the other CUSA bb teams but I am a glass half full kind of person.

(07-14-2013 04:35 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  If I may be so bold....

With the loss of Hill and Painter, and the injury to Clark, we are substantially leaner than last year.

Likely JC wins many more than BT did.
Last year we at least had a nucleus of experience and talent, and a horrendous conference.

This year's CUSA is light-years ahead of last years train wreck that was the CAA.
I fervently hope I am wrong, but we might not win a game in conference.

And that is no reflection on Coach Jones.

CUSA is obviously better, but there's winnable games to be had. FIU is a toilet fire, for example. Rice only won five games itself. North Texas was pretty crummy and is in its own transition. And Marshall also had a sub-200 RPI.

Given where ODU is right now, there's certainly no automatic wins the way they've been in years gone by. But 4-6 CUSA wins is not shooting for the moon, either.

I suppose it boils down to how you view last season's disaster.

As others have stated the bottom of CUSA is pretty bad (FIU, FAU, etc.) there should be some wins there.