(06-08-2013 01:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 11:18 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 07:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Oh how I wish it truly could happen. Have grown to respect the Pirates fans here on the board. Always fighting the good fight and giving as good as they get pretty much every time. Their culture over there seems to be the only one in North Carolina that matches the SEC Culture yet they are hampered with their name and their position in the State Hierarchy.

Should for some reason the SEC allow in ECU, I think that might be the realignment move that would draw the most excitement from me personally due to all that would have had to be overcome in order for that moment to happen. All those highbrows looking down at the ECU folks as well as at the rest of the country with what they got goin on there right now.

That would be a major game changer and I do agree with the Pirate Fan that ECU to the SEC would IMMEDIATELY draw major interest from the entire State of North Carolina. ECU would also very quickly be able to secure funds to expand their stadium. I could see them with a 70k+ stadium in the relatively near future.

I dont know if the ECU name is a major issue or not or if the academics really are. I think if some Network Executives walked into the SEC Headquarters and started throwing out some massive numbers for a particular scenario then I think certain "issues" that are being brought up would suddenly seem not so big of a deal.

Seriously, an SEC Tournament of four teams based upon the winners of four SEC divisions? That is a gold mine. The Big Ten was excited about getting 20 million for it's Championship game. If the ACC remains solid, which it has a very good chance of doing, I don't see how ECU isn't near the top of the list of schools talked about at that meeting between Network Execs and Slive. North Carolina has what...30 million people?

Nah.. just under 10 mil as of last year, but still worth the effort for the SEC.

Well there is enough money there for 30 mil.

Isn't that the truth...

(06-07-2013 01:39 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  pir84evr, I appreciate your tenacity.

1) Concerning the name change or alteration, we are both just going to throw opinions back and forth. I have given an outsider's opinion. Do with it what you will.

2) I'll concede whatever you like about undergrad rankings. As I originally said and you actually quoted in your responses, they are a small slice of the pie. There is undoubtedly no perfect ranking system. Let's leave it that ECU could argue that they are comparable with the bottom schools of the SEC in undergrad education. We can even say the same thing about your grad/post-grad programs. I'm sure some are better and worse than others when compared to SEC schools (Vandy excluded. They kick everyone's rear in this area.)

3) WVU over any current non-ACC school in Virginia or North Carolina? SEC Presidents, Boards, Alumni, Faculty, Staff, Mascots, Fans, Slive, State Legislatures, Duck Call Makers... did I miss anybody? I think it would be a strong consensus.

4) No, I certainly do know that North and South Carolina both battle over "Carolina". They both are trying to make claim to it unsuccessfully, though, correct? Eastern should just lay claim to it and make it official. If UNC or USC say that isn't fair, ask either of them if they would like to drop their North or South. See how that goes for them. Become "Carolina" and roll with it.

1. Fair enough.

2. Yes, a small slice of the pie, indeed. What the other criteria are and how important each is -- that is what I'm trying to find out.

Quote:Let's leave it that ECU could argue that they are comparable with the bottom schools of the SEC in undergrad education

Honestly, your answer to this point is all I ask for- a fair shake. The next time you talk about ECU, you will know a lot more than you did before, and that ultimately forwards my goal of respect and recognition of my school.

3. Well, I know some fans who wouldn't pick them over us.

4. Watching them both try to claim the same name is kind of comical if you ask me. Neither is really winning from my point of view. Watching the Super Regionals in Chapel Hill has been fun. The announcers have a bet on who says "Carolina" more without specification.


Just one more thing, though..

Quote:Eastern ...

It's EAST Carolina.

I was doodling in class and came up with a cool idea for how ECU can keep its name but still use "Carolina" yo appeal to a broader audience than their regional name tends to allow:



This is just something I threw together to demonstrate the concept of combining "East" with "Carolina" and then below it a potential primary logo that combines E with C

(06-19-2013 11:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I was doodling in class and came up with a cool idea for how ECU can keep its name but still use "Carolina" yo appeal to a broader audience than their regional name tends to allow:



This is just something I threw together to demonstrate the concept of combining "East" with "Carolina" and then below it a potential primary logo that combines E with C

I actually like it!

(06-21-2013 12:12 AM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 11:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I was doodling in class and came up with a cool idea for how ECU can keep its name but still use "Carolina" yo appeal to a broader audience than their regional name tends to allow:



This is just something I threw together to demonstrate the concept of combining "East" with "Carolina" and then below it a potential primary logo that combines E with C

I actually like it!

Dangle a Gold U shaped earring off of the lower end of the C and it forms an ECU with the shape of a Pirate's ear.

I like the gold earring idea added to it.

Pretty good doodle 10th.

http://fifth-quarter.org/2013/03/22/ecu-on-the-rise/

Interesting 3 month old article on ECU's upside.

"East Carolina is a gem by the Atlantic coast who has so much potential as a football program. Not only on the field, but off the field. ECU has an elite atmosphere when it comes to Saturdays around game time. Around 50,000 fans pack out the stadium, screaming as the Pirate football players run out to purple haze. ECU’s atmosphere is very comparable to Virginia Tech with a large crowd, crazy fans, and an amazing atmosphere. Just think the SEC is rumored to think about adding Virginia Tech and ECU draws comparisons to them."

"The state of North Carolina is still open for one of the six FBS (including Charlotte) to become the dominant program. With the two likely programs UNC and NCST continuing to be stagnant or mess up so the window is open. ECU has the potential to become that dominant program and the new conference move might be that push that was needed just due to the exposure that will be received."

http://fifth-quarter.org/2013/05/07/sec-...candidate/

http://fifth-quarter.org/2013/05/10/sec-...candidate/

Two more recent articles advocating ECU & WVU as #15 & #16.

"With two Eastern teams being added the SEC could experience equal teams in their west and east divisions once again! East Carolina and West Virginia would of course move to the east and it would logically place Missouri in the West division where it belongs."

(06-24-2013 03:25 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  http://fifth-quarter.org/2013/05/07/sec-...candidate/

http://fifth-quarter.org/2013/05/10/sec-...candidate/

Two more recent articles advocating ECU & WVU as #15 & #16.

"With two Eastern teams being added the SEC could experience equal teams in their west and east divisions once again! East Carolina and West Virginia would of course move to the east and it would logically place Missouri in the West division where it belongs."

Should we find ourselves in a world where GOR's are as airtight as everyone seems to think they are, and should the Big 12 expand making dissolution highly improbable, then I would be quite happy with the two you suggest here. The SEC gets into N. Carolina and has an oblique positioning to the beltway and the DC market.

It would take the Big 12 expanding into Florida with U.S.F. or U.C.F., picking up B.Y.U., Colorado State, U.N.L.V. or someone similar and giving up on adding more teams from the Northeast. Then I think they would let W.V.U. go without penalty.

Time makes fools of us all, but I think the next big move happens in 10 years when the B12 GOR comes up and the PAC makes one more play for UT/TTU/OU/OSU. I think the B1G would want Kansas and UConn to try and shore up their basketball against the monster the new ACC will have become in that decade. The SEC would make one last play for at least Virginia Tech and NCState but if those two wont budge, look at WVU and maybe ECU if they've spent the decade building wisely.

(06-27-2013 09:46 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Time makes fools of us all, but I think the next big move happens in 10 years when the B12 GOR comes up and the PAC makes one more play for UT/TTU/OU/OSU. I think the B1G would want Kansas and UConn to try and shore up their basketball against the monster the new ACC will have become in that decade. The SEC would make one last play for at least Virginia Tech and NCState but if those two wont budge, look at WVU and maybe ECU if they've spent the decade building wisely.

I think you are really close on this 10th, except a lot would depend on ECU and it's status in ten years. I still say it will probably be someone else who gets an invite...like WVU.

ECU's only chance is if the SEC doesn't wait for one of the two conferences with new GoR's to implode.

(06-24-2013 11:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 03:25 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  http://fifth-quarter.org/2013/05/07/sec-...candidate/

http://fifth-quarter.org/2013/05/10/sec-...candidate/

Two more recent articles advocating ECU & WVU as #15 & #16.

"With two Eastern teams being added the SEC could experience equal teams in their west and east divisions once again! East Carolina and West Virginia would of course move to the east and it would logically place Missouri in the West division where it belongs."

Should we find ourselves in a world where GOR's are as airtight as everyone seems to think they are, and should the Big 12 expand making dissolution highly improbable, then I would be quite happy with the two you suggest here. The SEC gets into N. Carolina and has an oblique positioning to the beltway and the DC market.

It would take the Big 12 expanding into Florida with U.S.F. or U.C.F., picking up B.Y.U., Colorado State, U.N.L.V. or someone similar and giving up on adding more teams from the Northeast. Then I think they would let W.V.U. go without penalty.

WVU is a lot of value to try and match. Not sure there is anything out West to match that would be available. Is taking second fiddle Florida schools worth it? They would probably have to take both to really see any return of value. At that point if I was the Big 12 I would just take ECU and USF to get to 12. That gives you three on the Eastern Seaboard.

Which school mark for ECU: Jolly Roger or Pirate?

Check out this poll & give feedback about which logo should be the prominent one moving forward.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=638082

I feel that if we really want to be taken seriously on a national level then we need to push the Jolly Roger even harder and make it our primary mark. It really is one of the coolest in the nation & I'm glad we now use it on our helmets and midfield logo. If we can win big the next couple years like I think we will then we could gain some serious notoriety and branding credibility. Seems our new conference mates also feel that we should pimp the Jolly Roger.

Heinous, Florida (with the help of South Carolina and Georgia) have been blocking FSU's admittance ever since they made the gentlemen's agreement to not add any more schools from within an existing SEC state. You can probably add TAMU to that party now, too. They are certainly not going to block FSU but then let in USF. I am very skeptical that the SEC will ever be forced into anything, especially taking 2 more schools. The SEC and the B1G are each prominent enough that if every other conference and the NCAA office got together and said "You must do ______, or you may no longer be part of the NCAA", both conferences have the ability to take their ball and play on their own. As I've said before, I think UNC, UVA, WVU, Oklahoma, and Kansas are the only schools the SEC would take unanimously in the current environment (meaning B1G schools and Texas would fall on their swords before joining the SEC). Now, if certain concessions had to be made to eliminate a P5 conference so it became a P4 situation (more money for everyone), and the SEC took some of the same compromises as the other conferences, then this may be a different conversation. JR has spelled out some of those scenarios recently. For example, if it meant the death of the Big 12, it is conceivable that the SEC would take ONE of Baylor, TCU, Ok. State, Kansas State, or Iowa State to get the deal done, assuming the B1G, PAC, and ACC also made such a concession. Even so, I don't see them taking any current AAC school in the next generation.

Indiana Bones, if ECU is looking to conform more to an SEC culture, then a power letter with or without a strong mascot image would work (see South Carolina). The most memorable and impressive SEC logos, in my opinion, are the Tennessee "Power T", the circular Georgia "G", and the double power letters used for UK and AU. Ole Miss used to have the best use of a cartoonish logo with Colonel Reb, but the PC police are putting that one to bed. If you guys could harden up that Jolly Roger image (wrinkles, scars, dark eyes, straightforward or full side profile, etc.) and incorporate a clean "C", it could look pretty cool, intimidating, and clean.

When I was talking about USF, I was talking about the Big 12 taking them not the SEC. A combination of USF and ECU would help strengthen the Big 12 on the East Coast with a program that has a lot of promise in ECU as well as a Florida school that will give schools like Oklahoma and Texas a chance to play in Florida in a Professional Stadium. The big question would be if those schools coming to play there would help USF make it full enough for TV.

I think WVU, ECU and USF would be a decent compromise for the Big 12 out East. Personally I think that ECU has a ton of promise if it could just land itself in a major conference. Once it gets that it will get a major boost in recruiting. Look at what they are doing with the minimal money coming in now. If they got a major boost in money then you just know they would put that back into continuing to build facilities.

The problem with them for the Big 12 would be proving how they wouldn't be a drag in terms of what the current payout is in the Big 12 versus what they would make with an expansion with the likes of USF and ECU. If a conference championship game could offset the decrease then it could be feasible.

The would make the last shot for the SEC to get into North Carolina gone for good.

I see a lot of similarity between the situations for WVU and ECU. They aren't identical but I think there would be a lot of understanding between the two cultures. That could turn out to be a fun in conference rivalry.

Also, in regards to Texas A&M blocking other schools. The difference between A&M and the Florida situation is that Florida has history in the conference and has allies. Texas A&M might have an ally in Arkansas in terms of blocking further Texas programs but Arkansas might want even more coverage in Texas. They might have an ally with Missouri but Missouri is used to getting more coverage in Texas, they too might appreciate another Texas school in the SEC. I don't see LSU being afraid of another Texas school coming in. I really don't think they would be an ally of A&M's in blocking further Texas expansion.

Florida had a much better blocking situation because it had allies that also wanted to block further expansion in their own states. There are no expansion risks in Missouri or Arkansas or Louisiana.

I disagree

#1 - None of the West teams are going to want OU or Texas in the division because it would be damn near un-winnable for just about everyone most years and teams used to winning will go for long periods without and that will be unacceptable to the fan bases. And beyond those two, who would the SEC vote in? OSU? TTU? Baylor? Not a chance.

#2 We don't necessarily need the West teams support for keeping out our neighbors (A&M will have a firm "No Texas or Okie teams" policy toward expansion). We just need to promise the Eastern teams our support in return for theirs in the "expand to new states only, stay out of the existing footprint" camp. That's 6 no votes right there which is plenty to kill any candidate.

SEC won't be adding anyone else unless its NC State and Virginia Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State or UNC and UVA

ECU would have to upgrade their academics, and Cincy has a longshot chance , but I don't see it happening, Marshall, SMU, Southern Miss and Houston are all out of the question

and according to USA Today Slive isn't really in favor of going to 16 so don't plan on anything happening regarding future realignment unless Slive just feels pressured for two more teams

"In some ways 12 is ideal but at least 14 is sort of a cousin of 12. Sixteen is a distant relative. We're actually still in the process of absorbing both of these schools into our scheduling, particularly on the football side. its hard to absorb one let alone two.

There's been some movement throughout the country but that doesn't really affect us . Even when we were at 12 we weren't looking. Both Texas A&M and Missouri came to us. If they hadn't come to us, im not so sure we wouldn't still be at twelve."

(07-01-2013 01:04 PM)auburntigersouthernrock Wrote:  SEC won't be adding anyone else unless its NC State and Virginia Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State or UNC and UVA

ECU would have to upgrade their academics, and Cincy has a longshot chance , but I don't see it happening, Marshall, SMU, Southern Miss and Houston are all out of the question

and according to USA Today Slive isn't really in favor of going to 16 so don't plan on anything happening regarding future realignment unless Slive just feels pressured for two more teams

"In some ways 12 is ideal but at least 14 is sort of a cousin of 12. Sixteen is a distant relative. We're actually still in the process of absorbing both of these schools into our scheduling, particularly on the football side. its hard to absorb one let alone two.

There's been some movement throughout the country but that doesn't really affect us . Even when we were at 12 we weren't looking. Both Texas A&M and Missouri came to us. If they hadn't come to us, im not so sure we wouldn't still be at twelve."

I pretty much agree with this...