http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/13/attemp...voters-boo

That's how it's supposed to work.

Get too big for your britches, get tossed out on your ass.

Would be nice if the entire electorate were that engaged.

That's sweet!

(06-19-2013 10:43 AM)Smaug Wrote:  That's how it's supposed to work.

Get too big for your britches, get tossed out on your ass.

Would be nice if the entire electorate were that engaged.

Yes, except I'd say that this council should be brought up on criminal charges.

Hackensack is a shithole. Maybe it will change now.

It doesn't happen very often, but it's nice to see the @ssholes get what they deserve once in a while.

If the article is accurate, then an investigation needs to take place to see of there was corruption.

There is a damn good chance that many of the Minneapolis City Council is going to be booted from office over the Viking Stadium funding / referendum debacle.

My Council Member voted against allowing the citizens of Minneapolis to vote if we wanted to fund the stadium - which is demanded by the city charter - instead allowing lawyers to "prove" that a re-allocation of an existing sales tax is not a new tax (B as is Bull, S as in Shite) so no vote was required.

As in "nope, the citizens don't get to vote on a one billion new tax on us."

She just announced that she is not running for another term - the writing is on the wall!

A year or so ago there was a ballot measure asking the citizens of El Paso if domestic partners (as in gays) of city employees should get health benefits paid for by the city. The citizens voted to not give them the benefits. The city mayor and council OVERTURNED the vote of the people. That ignited a recall election against those that voted to overturn the will of the people and that got shot down by some court somewhere. The mayor now wants to city to pay his legal bills for the recall.

(06-19-2013 11:16 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hackensack is a shithole. Maybe it will change now.

Seems to me that was why the government was going to use eminent domain. To make Hackensack less of a shithole. Looks to me like it won't change now. I read most of the article but I don't remember seeing what the government was going to use the land for(other than opinions it was for the government official's personal gain. Anybody have the WHOLE story rather than an opinion piece of libertarian spin?

Mark one up for the good guys.

(06-19-2013 11:23 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  If the article is accurate, then an investigation needs to take place to see of there was corruption.

It is a libertarian opinion piece. Good chance that it is not overly accurate given that they are anti-government.

(06-19-2013 11:23 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  There is a damn good chance that many of the Minneapolis City Council is going to be booted from office over the Viking Stadium funding / referendum debacle.

Not just Minnespolis I suspect a lot of politicans in Saint Paul will be called on the carpet come 2014... The Pulltab failure has been quietly building steam for some time, there is *no* way they will be abile to carry the load promised meaning more tax hikes for the people of Minnesota.

Quote:My Council Member voted against allowing the citizens of Minneapolis to vote if we wanted to fund the stadium - which is demanded by the city charter - instead allowing lawyers to "prove" that a re-allocation of an existing sales tax is not a new tax (B as is Bull, S as in Shite) so no vote was required.

Minneapolis needs to have two functional parties to work.

Quote:As in "nope, the citizens don't get to vote on a one billion new tax on us."

She just announced that she is not running for another term - the writing is on the wall!

The problem typically is that even when their corruption and gluttony catch up with them they arrange for a sweet heart job either in the Party or with someone who they have done favors for in the past.

(06-19-2013 11:37 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 11:16 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hackensack is a shithole. Maybe it will change now.

Seems to me that was why the government was going to use eminent domain. To make Hackensack less of a shithole. Looks to me like it won't change now. I read most of the article but I don't remember seeing what the government was going to use the land for(other than opinions it was for the government official's personal gain. Anybody have the WHOLE story rather than an opinion piece of libertarian spin?

Guess you missed this part:

Quote:Last month, the Appellate Division of the state Superior Court agreed, ruling the Planning Board didn’t properly prove that those properties were blighted and “in need of redevelopment.”

(06-19-2013 11:37 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 11:16 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hackensack is a shithole. Maybe it will change now.

Seems to me that was why the government was going to use eminent domain. To make Hackensack less of a shithole. Looks to me like it won't change now. I read most of the article but I don't remember seeing what the government was going to use the land for(other than opinions it was for the government official's personal gain. Anybody have the WHOLE story rather than an opinion piece of libertarian spin?

The land owner was trying to develope the property himself and two banks were interested. How many jobs were never created because of the city?

A link for the Google impaired

(06-19-2013 11:40 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 11:37 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 11:16 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hackensack is a shithole. Maybe it will change now.

Seems to me that was why the government was going to use eminent domain. To make Hackensack less of a shithole. Looks to me like it won't change now. I read most of the article but I don't remember seeing what the government was going to use the land for(other than opinions it was for the government official's personal gain. Anybody have the WHOLE story rather than an opinion piece of libertarian spin?

Guess you missed this part:

Quote:Last month, the Appellate Division of the state Superior Court agreed, ruling the Planning Board didn’t properly prove that those properties were blighted and “in need of redevelopment.”

No he did not... Robs just cant break character..

(06-19-2013 11:39 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Not just Minnespolis I suspect a lot of politicans in Saint Paul will be called on the carpet come 2014... The Pulltab failure has been quietly building steam for some time, there is *no* way they will be abile to carry the load promised meaning more tax hikes for the people of Minnesota.

I hope Dayton has to answer on Pulltabs. What a racket.

(06-19-2013 11:39 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Minneapolis needs to have two functional parties to work.

Unfortunately, in Minneapolis another functional political party would probably be one of the following:

Green Party
Socialist Party
Khmer Rouge Party

(06-19-2013 11:39 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  The problem typically is that even when their corruption and gluttony catch up with them they arrange for a sweet heart job either in the Party or with someone who they have done favors for in the past.

No doubt. I'll be sure to update this post when I find out what her new position is. Probably something at the Metropolitan Airport Commission, the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District or the Metropolitan Mosquito Control District - it's where old DFL'ers golden parachutes tend to land.

(06-19-2013 11:43 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 11:37 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 11:16 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hackensack is a shithole. Maybe it will change now.

Seems to me that was why the government was going to use eminent domain. To make Hackensack less of a shithole. Looks to me like it won't change now. I read most of the article but I don't remember seeing what the government was going to use the land for(other than opinions it was for the government official's personal gain. Anybody have the WHOLE story rather than an opinion piece of libertarian spin?

The land owner was trying to develope the property himself and two banks were interested. How many jobs were never created because of the city?

A link for the Google impaired

What did he plan on building? There is a claim that 2 banks were interested but it seems based on the owners word. We don't know if there is any truth to it. Also, if it is a shithole I can't see banks lending money to develop a property especially when lending is pretty tight. Until there is more info, either side could be right or wrong.

(06-19-2013 11:55 AM)RobertN Wrote:  either side could be right or wrong.

No, Robs. The Appellate Court ruled. Once side was right, and the other was wrong.

Power corrupts (so they say, really people who should not be in power to begin with.)