The only time I remember ETSU playing at Freedom Hall was when there was a scheduling conflict at the Dome and we actually had enough fans coming to the game that Brooks wasn't big enough. A handful of games at most.

The one thing I will say for Freedom Hall, is that it is at least a basketball venue. I'm not saying move to Freedom Hall, just saying at least it's a basketball venue.

(05-16-2013 07:42 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Yeah you're right. Let's not count those wins with Doane. And also, why not throw anything Freeman did out the window too? So really, they've only won like 6 games. Skole should be fired for even recruiting Doane. Idiot.

Do you KNOW volleyball will go to mediocrity? Man, you can predict the future! You should play the lottery. Regardless, she should be fired, because they COULD go to back to being a mediocre team. Win a conference title when the league is supposedly down? Fire that coach.

There is SPECULATION about the Freedom Hall issue. It would obviously be upgraded, and probably use the upgrades they did @ the Mini Dome to do it (LED boards could be moved, for example). Regardless, I don't think that's a good idea, but I do think it's a good idea to play a game there, as the Bucs used to do in the 80s/90s, as I understand (I've just been told this, haven't taken the time to absolutely verify it, after all, it's a message board, not an editorial board).

History says they will. Funny how it has a way of repeating itself. Whether it's Murry running two basketball programs into the ground, Devine's performance and how her career at ETSU has gone, same with Skole. 14 years on the job and nothing. Anywhere else in the country and he's coaching high school ball. As for Doane, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again. I'll look at it as an outlier until ETSU consistently competes for championships.
I get that it's mostly speculation and maybe wouldn't be against a Christmas break game at Freedom Hall against Milligan or something like that, but that's it. And my point with the mediocre coaches that still have jobs is that they shouldn't have jobs in the first place! We'll always disagree on this philosophically and we're really just chasing our tails here, but until everyone changes their "Good enough for ETSU" mentality, especially pertaining to athletics we'll have baseball coaches who make careers out of losing more than they win, volleyball coaches who get to one NCAA tournament every 10 years a 2nd tier private school coach with a losing record overall and a never was son of a hall of famer that without his last name would be enjoying a fruitful career teaching math and coaching high school ball in Alabama.

(05-16-2013 07:46 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  The only time I remember ETSU playing at Freedom Hall was when there was a scheduling conflict at the Dome and we actually had enough fans coming to the game that Brooks wasn't big enough. A handful of games at most.

Wasn't UNC scheduled to open the Dome for basketball but the game had to be moved to Freedom Hall since the opening of the Dome was behind schedule?

(05-16-2013 01:04 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 07:46 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  The only time I remember ETSU playing at Freedom Hall was when there was a scheduling conflict at the Dome and we actually had enough fans coming to the game that Brooks wasn't big enough. A handful of games at most.

Wasn't UNC scheduled to open the Dome for basketball but the game had to be moved to Freedom Hall since the opening of the Dome was behind schedule?

Yes that is true.

I was there. It was embarrassing the whoopin ETSU received.

The worst "home" loss ETSU took until... This year.

Actually I believe the Michigan State home loss in 1998-1999 was the worst "home" loss until this year.

(05-17-2013 08:37 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  The worst "home" loss ETSU took until... This year.

For some reason I was thinking the UNC loss at Freedom Hall had it beat, then VCU broke it this year.

(05-17-2013 09:59 AM)Bucster Wrote:  Actually I believe the Michigan State home loss in 1998-1999 was the worst "home" loss until this year.

(05-17-2013 08:37 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  The worst "home" loss ETSU took until... This year.

Nope, I was at the Michigan St game and remember thinking it was a somewhat respectable loss at only 20-ish points

Yeah, I'm not gonna take the time to look it up, but the UNC loss when they had Phil Ford, Kupchak (sp?), Walter Davis, etc., etc., etc. (and wasn't Dave Hanners on that team??), was much worse than the Michigan St. loss.
However, not remotely in those two games, or maybe in any game I've ever seen ETSU play, did ETSU lay down for an opponent like the team did for a few minutes against VCU. The Syracuse loss might have been as bad, but that was in the Carrier Dome and I didn't see it. And that loss was only by 39, I think. And the UCLA loss in LA after the long plane ride was really very bad, too. You could tell the guys just had no energy. And we also had some 40+ losses against Iowa, Va. Tech, and West Virginia during those dark years of the mid-'90s. But all those were on the road, too.

BTW, we played Mich. St. several times there in a few years - probably averaged once a year for 5-7 years, including twice in one year when we drew them in a holiday tournament, if'n I recall correctly...
And more btw, that loss to UNC began a long losing streak - something like 10 in a row, or thereabouts. I didn't think we sucked *thaaat* bad against a bunch of NBA players-to-be, but I do think it demoralized the team.

To reiterate what I said after the VCU loss, I think it's the worst in program history, within my memory, at least.

For a curious perspective, and an unrelated tangent, we made the Sweet 16 in 1968. I think we were sometimes losing to Milligan as late as 1960 or so. Don't quote me on that, but somewhere around that time frame we took the step up and got in the OVC. Some of it was going from ETSC to ETSU ('63 ??), some of it was Madison Brooks, and some of it was Tommy Woods and those guys, with Brooks not being afraid to bring in black athletes.

(05-18-2013 03:12 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not gonna take the time to look it up, but the UNC loss when they had Phil Ford, Kupchak (sp?), Walter Davis, etc., etc., etc. (and wasn't Dave Hanners on that team??), was much worse than the Michigan St. loss.
However, not remotely in those two games, or maybe in any game I've ever seen ETSU play, did ETSU lay down for an opponent like the team did for a few minutes against VCU. The Syracuse loss might have been as bad, but that was in the Carrier Dome and I didn't see it. And that loss was only by 39, I think. And the UCLA loss in LA after the long plane ride was really very bad, too. You could tell the guys just had no energy. And we also had some 40+ losses against Iowa, Va. Tech, and West Virginia during those dark years of the mid-'90s. But all those were on the road, too.

BTW, we played Mich. St. several times there in a few years - probably averaged once a year for 5-7 years, including twice in one year when we drew them in a holiday tournament, if'n I recall correctly...
And more btw, that loss to UNC began a long losing streak - something like 10 in a row, or thereabouts. I didn't think we sucked *thaaat* bad against a bunch of NBA players-to-be, but I do think it demoralized the team.

To reiterate what I said after the VCU loss, I think it's the worst in program history, within my memory, at least.

For a curious perspective, and an unrelated tangent, we made the Sweet 16 in 1968. I think we were sometimes losing to Milligan as late as 1960 or so. Don't quote me on that, but somewhere around that time frame we took the step up and got in the OVC. Some of it was going from ETSC to ETSU ('63 ??), some of it was Madison Brooks, and some of it was Tommy Woods and those guys, with Brooks not being afraid to bring in black athletes.

'58 to the OVC. OVC integrated earlier than the SEC and ACC. Brooks and ETSU were ahead of the times in that period. Tommy Woods was a pure joy to see play the game, both offensively and defensively (he was blocking shots before the goal tending rule; he could go in the air and intercept an attempted shot). Then Texas Western won the national title in '66 -- and the old guard was blown away soon thereafter -- even Rupp at Kentucky went through a remarkably rapid attitude adjustment after losing that one.

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(05-17-2013 11:22 PM)etsualumni00 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:59 AM)Bucster Wrote:  Actually I believe the Michigan State home loss in 1998-1999 was the worst "home" loss until this year.

(05-17-2013 08:37 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  The worst "home" loss ETSU took until... This year.

Nope, I was at the Michigan St game and remember thinking it was a somewhat respectable loss at only 20-ish points

In 1998 we lost to Michigan State by 33 in the dome, 53-86. I believe they were a top 10 team at the time. At any rate I think lover is correct, the North Carolina game was before my time and I had no idea they came to Johnson City. I'm looking at the media guide right now and it looks like we played North Carolina in the 1975-1976 season and lost 67-104. Was this the game played in Johnson City? If so I stand corrected and that 37 point margin beats the Michigan State blowout.

I was there. It was played at Freedom Hall.

The really big dubbing from North Carolina came at thier place the year before Jennings, Dennis and Co came in.

I believe it was the JC Press that said the VCU loss this year was our worst loss in history, or at least tied with our worst loss in history...

(05-17-2013 09:59 AM)Bucster Wrote:  Actually I believe the Michigan State home loss in 1998-1999 was the worst "home" loss until this year.

(05-17-2013 08:37 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  The worst "home" loss ETSU took until... This year.

ETSU only lost to MSU by 13 or so at home that year.

You're thinking of DeChellis' second or third game as coach back in 1996. It was at East Lansing.

(05-15-2013 08:57 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  One person on here was underwhelmed with Ezell's hire. One.

Oh come on, Go. This board is filled with a bunch of pom pom wavers who would no sooner show skepticism about a coach's hire at ETSU than they would cut off their own heads.

These are the same people who responded to a tennis coach getting the AD's job with "He's a cool guy! I had him for a tennis class!"

So cut out the propaganda. Forty seven days and no finalists announced and a coach with this track record comes in?

Everyone is underwhelmed. To not ask questions, to not wonder why she would make such a move after her only winning season, to not ask why it took so long, would be to not fully analyze the coaching hire.

Which is what ETSU wants us to do.

(05-19-2013 01:34 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 08:57 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  One person on here was underwhelmed with Ezell's hire. One.

Oh come on, Go. This board is filled with a bunch of pom pom wavers who would no sooner show skepticism about a coach's hire at ETSU than they would cut off their own heads.

These are the same people who responded to a tennis coach getting the AD's job with "He's a cool guy! I had him for a tennis class!"

So cut out the propaganda. Forty seven days and no finalists announced and a coach with this track record comes in?

Everyone is underwhelmed. To not ask questions, to not wonder why she would make such a move after her only winning season, to not ask why it took so long, would be to not fully analyze the coaching hire.

Which is what ETSU wants us to do.

What does it mean when I live in the dumbest area of the nation and "everyone" thinks the women's coach is underwhelming???