(05-14-2013 01:27 PM)slow-runner Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 01:20 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  So those of you dismissing this "ranking" would you be more inclined to take it seriously if it were the Coaches Poll? AP? Do you dismiss all rankings? I Don't care either way just curious where you stand when making the comment.

I read many polls because I get entertainment from it and it makes me look into teams I wouldn't normally look at. If a team is in a position I'm surprised by, then I'll generally look into them. I also read them because I want to read about college football and there isn't much news right now.

But I love polls when they have UTSA higher than I expect. And polls are dead wrong when they have UTSA lower than I believe. I have fun with it. It's entertaining. Generally, I do find polls and mathematical rankings interesting.

Im in the same boat. I dont take the Coaches Poll seriously at all as they are usually ridiculous and not even completed by the coach rather some low level assistant who actually might even have more time to axctually know about the other teams but still limited compared to media or even fans whom have ample time to see any and all teams across the country.

(05-14-2013 01:37 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 01:20 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  So those of you dismissing this "ranking" would you be more inclined to take it seriously if it were the Coaches Poll? AP? Do you dismiss all rankings? I Don't care either way just curious where you stand when making the comment.

So did Doc Holiday become a better coach or something? Because he looks like the football version of Herrion. Nothing against him or anything, but it looks like his best season of coaching came with Snyder's players. That makes me suspcious of his coaching right there.

Im not worried about Doc & Co. recruiting nor am I worried about the coaching. Last year we were a double OT game away from another bowl game as you well know. We blew some games last year and while Snyder's players did play a key role they are on the way out and Doc has been able to redshirt the majority even those that might have been able to play as true freshmen. Obviously our offense is loaded and has even more weapons this year and our defesnse will be much improved I promise you. Along with the schedule in our favor it shaping up to be the best year in awhile.

(05-14-2013 02:02 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 01:20 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  So those of you dismissing this "ranking" would you be more inclined to take it seriously if it were the Coaches Poll? AP? Do you dismiss all rankings? I Don't care either way just curious where you stand when making the comment.

I don't dismiss all rankings but he's putting a lot weight on returning starters and last year's recruiting ranking. Returning a lot of starters helps with discipline and leadership. But if they aren't any good, does it really matter? Further, recruiting numbers aren't reliable. And a good amount of recruits won't play meaningful minutes until their 3rd or 4th year on campus. So, why would we put a lot of weight into last year's class?

Now, if he combined the two categories, we may have something. Maybe he can weigh the recruiting numbers with the years of experience (with more points going to returning starters and even more to award winners).

Good thoughts. I dont take any poll or ranking seriouslt unless its my own Top 25 that I do. I do give some credit to the AP poll and Ive been coming around on the Harris Poll but anytime "coaches" are invloved I dont take it too seriously.

This poll is not very good. Sorry, but Marshall has not shown anything for years. To have them ranked this high because of recruiting means nothing.

Louisiana...91...when we lost no major starters on the offense. ECU...60. What?

(05-15-2013 08:37 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  This poll is not very good. Sorry, but Marshall has not shown anything for years. To have them ranked this high because of recruiting means nothing.

Dude, really......lets not sart another pee pee match.

(05-15-2013 08:37 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  This poll is not very good. Sorry, but Marshall has not shown anything for years. To have them ranked this high because of recruiting means nothing.

We will show you on your last game here. You are gonna have to carry your ass to the (A)rrogant (A)$$holes ©onference, because you won't be able to walk there.

I hope your university burns to the ground. I wish nothing but bad things to ECWho.

(05-15-2013 08:04 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  He's predicting a close race in the West, just like I thought.

72. Rice
73. Tulane
74. UTSA
92. Tulsa
107. North Texas
123. UTEP
125. Louisiana Tech

But I thought it would be Rice, Tulsa, and Louisiana Tech as darkhorse.

I guess we'll have our work cut out for us. Everyone will beat up on us.

This poll is laughable and I don't think even those fans that have their schools above us believe that they're that high up. BUT, we shall find out next fb season.

(05-14-2013 03:03 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 01:37 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 01:20 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  So those of you dismissing this "ranking" would you be more inclined to take it seriously if it were the Coaches Poll? AP? Do you dismiss all rankings? I Don't care either way just curious where you stand when making the comment.

So did Doc Holiday become a better coach or something? Because he looks like the football version of Herrion. Nothing against him or anything, but it looks like his best season of coaching came with Snyder's players. That makes me suspcious of his coaching right there.

Screw ECWHO.... I hope your university burns to the FN Ground.....

Holy Cow man, that's more than a little extreme, isn't it?

(05-15-2013 12:00 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 08:37 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  This poll is not very good. Sorry, but Marshall has not shown anything for years. To have them ranked this high because of recruiting means nothing.

We will show you on your last game here. You are gonna have to carry your ass to the (A)rrogant (A)$$holes ©onference, because you won't be able to walk there.

I hope your university burns to the ground. I wish nothing but bad things to ECWho.

You're just a peach today.

(05-15-2013 02:32 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 03:03 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 01:37 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 01:20 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  So those of you dismissing this "ranking" would you be more inclined to take it seriously if it were the Coaches Poll? AP? Do you dismiss all rankings? I Don't care either way just curious where you stand when making the comment.

So did Doc Holiday become a better coach or something? Because he looks like the football version of Herrion. Nothing against him or anything, but it looks like his best season of coaching came with Snyder's players. That makes me suspcious of his coaching right there.

Screw ECWHO.... I hope your university burns to the FN Ground.....

Holy Cow man, that's more than a little extreme, isn't it?

Just remember oldtiger....you are one of one of the sane members of this forum.

(05-15-2013 12:00 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 08:37 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  This poll is not very good. Sorry, but Marshall has not shown anything for years. To have them ranked this high because of recruiting means nothing.

We will show you on your last game here. You are gonna have to carry your ass to the (A)rrogant (A)$$holes ©onference, because you won't be able to walk there.

I hope your university burns to the ground. I wish nothing but bad things to ECWho.

Really? Sorry bud, I am a sports fan and call like I see it. Marshall has had some very impressive recruiting classes lately. Until that translates into wins, the ranking in this poll is dubious. ALso, you need some time away from this board. Wishing for an entire town to burn to the ground? This is a sports message board, nothing more. People are supposed to give their opinions about sports and teams. The hate in your heart is scary.

(05-15-2013 02:38 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 02:32 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 03:03 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 01:37 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 01:20 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  So those of you dismissing this "ranking" would you be more inclined to take it seriously if it were the Coaches Poll? AP? Do you dismiss all rankings? I Don't care either way just curious where you stand when making the comment.

So did Doc Holiday become a better coach or something? Because he looks like the football version of Herrion. Nothing against him or anything, but it looks like his best season of coaching came with Snyder's players. That makes me suspcious of his coaching right there.

Screw ECWHO.... I hope your university burns to the FN Ground.....

Holy Cow man, that's more than a little extreme, isn't it?

Just remember oldtiger....you are one of one of the sane members of this forum.

Thanks. However, with realignment, bowls, etc, etc, etc; I'm not feeling too sane lately. Multiple kicks to the groin will do that.

HZ is either having a really bad day, or forgot his southern gentleman lessons overnight.

(05-15-2013 02:32 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  Holy Cow man, that's more than a little extreme, isn't it?

I couldn't give a crap about ECWho and their mostly arrogant fans that don't give a crap about anyone. At least I haven't wished for the sinkhole to swallow them up like I do the Hole up north.

Im tied of being the bigger person and not saying anything. So I wish nothing but bad things up on Greenville NC.

(05-15-2013 12:00 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 08:37 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  This poll is not very good. Sorry, but Marshall has not shown anything for years. To have them ranked this high because of recruiting means nothing.

We will show you on your last game here. You are gonna have to carry your ass to the (A)rrogant (A)$$holes ©onference, because you won't be able to walk there.

I hope your university burns to the ground. I wish nothing but bad things to ECWho.

Sir I am still awaiting your apology. That is all.

This poll is just another major conference love fest. The highest ranked school not from one of the major conferences is Cincinnati at 52? Really; nothing against UC but only 52? I think SEVERAL Go5 schools will be ranked higher than 52 before the season is finished. Look at some of the schools ahead of them? It's crap!

There are major flaws in 2 of the 3 criteria :

1. It assumes everyone's 2nd team is worse than everyone else's 1st team. (Returning starter factor). What if school A has built a deeper roster than school B & there are good young players replacing seniors each year. Also, which starters are back is a key question. A star QB or RB returning may be a bigger factor than an average left guard returning.

2. It assumes recruiting rankings are not subjective. This bias gives BCS schools a big rankings boost. It is the "if he signed with Texas, he must be a 4 star" syndrome.

Does anyone have his 2012 preseason rankings ?

Tulsa is supposed to drop about 66 spots? Even losing most of our veteran defense from last year that is not happening. Rank 55-65 maybe. He must be smoking something really hallucinogenic, he is flying.

(05-15-2013 10:31 PM)TulsaEye Wrote:  Tulsa is supposed to drop about 66 spots? Even losing most of our veteran defense from last year that is not happening. Rank 55-65 maybe. He must be smoking something really hallucinogenic, he is flying.

As ECU RB Scott Harley said after scoring his fifth TD and rushing over 250 yards against ncsu, "you can measure my 40 but you cannot measure my heart." Some like to think it can win games on paper and will talk a good game; however, all games are played on the field of play.......Tulsa will be in thick of any (football) Cusa Championship. It is called tradition and players' winning attitude. (Opinion)

(05-14-2013 03:03 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 01:37 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 01:20 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  So those of you dismissing this "ranking" would you be more inclined to take it seriously if it were the Coaches Poll? AP? Do you dismiss all rankings? I Don't care either way just curious where you stand when making the comment.

So did Doc Holiday become a better coach or something? Because he looks like the football version of Herrion. Nothing against him or anything, but it looks like his best season of coaching came with Snyder's players. That makes me suspcious of his coaching right there.

Screw ECWHO.... I hope your university burns to the FN Ground.....