Sad times in Augie's clubhouse: http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/...0460.html/

Augie is gone after this year

Adderall?? Hmm, interesting... I'd heard that the urine initially tested positive for wine tannins, with a BAC over 0.32, but when Augie addressed reporters about the large doink on his uniform pants, he just pointed at Knebel. In-ter-est-ing...

I wonder what the suspension would be if he failed the test for adderral? if less than the suspension for swapping urine, it seems that there's little disincentive to fake tests...

if Texas were serious about their drug tests, then ... aw who're we kidding?

And the other player is apparently Cameron Cox.

http://www.mystatesman.com/news/sports/c...man_launch

Laughable. And pitiful.
These two rocket scientist pitchers are substituting urine for NCAA DRUG TESTS. And the guy donating the urine is taking a prescription for a drug that the NCAA is testing for and disallows??
You can't make this stuff up.

(05-06-2013 07:11 AM)greyowl72 Wrote:  Laughable. And pitiful.
These two rocket scientist pitchers are substituting urine for NCAA DRUG TESTS. And the guy donating the urine is taking a prescription for a drug that the NCAA is testing for and disallows??
You can't make this stuff up.

Words cannot describe the fail.

Makes you wonder what the other guy was on that he was so deperate to cover up

(05-05-2013 10:25 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Augie is gone after this year

That's what I thought, too, after reading this in the Houston Chronicle earlier today.

http://www.chron.com/sports/longhorns/ar...484690.php

(05-06-2013 11:44 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Makes you wonder what the other guy was on that he was so deperate to cover up

Especially since he seems a much less significant cog than the UT Closer. But I'm not sure what thoughts come between two friends and a plastic bottle.

Do we recruit against UT in baseball head-to-head, or do we take what they turn down? It would sure seem like a nice year or two to make some hay if we do recruit against them; this has not been a pleasant 2 years for them.

(05-06-2013 04:56 PM)owlsfan Wrote:  Do we recruit against UT in baseball head-to-head, or do we take what they turn down? It would sure seem like a nice year or two to make some hay if we do recruit against them; this has not been a pleasant 2 years for them.

I'm sure we recruit against UT and every other Texas school. What puzzles me is the state of college baseball in Texas. The highest rated Texas school in RPI is Rice at 37. UH is 54, Baylor, A&M and UT are 59-62. Is the talent not coming out of Texas HS baseball in the last few years? Is the talent turning pro out of HS at a greater rate than usual (this is Augie's excuse)?

(05-06-2013 07:39 PM)Old Sammy Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 04:56 PM)owlsfan Wrote:  Do we recruit against UT in baseball head-to-head, or do we take what they turn down? It would sure seem like a nice year or two to make some hay if we do recruit against them; this has not been a pleasant 2 years for them.

I'm sure we recruit against UT and every other Texas school. What puzzles me is the state of college baseball in Texas. The highest rated Texas school in RPI is Rice at 37. UH is 54, Baylor, A&M and UT are 59-62. Is the talent not coming out of Texas HS baseball in the last few years? Is the talent turning pro out of HS at a greater rate than usual (this is Augie's excuse)?

How about everyone signed before slotting went official, so there is a hole where some studs would be?

(05-06-2013 08:10 PM)13thOwl Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 07:39 PM)Old Sammy Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 04:56 PM)owlsfan Wrote:  Do we recruit against UT in baseball head-to-head, or do we take what they turn down? It would sure seem like a nice year or two to make some hay if we do recruit against them; this has not been a pleasant 2 years for them.

I'm sure we recruit against UT and every other Texas school. What puzzles me is the state of college baseball in Texas. The highest rated Texas school in RPI is Rice at 37. UH is 54, Baylor, A&M and UT are 59-62. Is the talent not coming out of Texas HS baseball in the last few years? Is the talent turning pro out of HS at a greater rate than usual (this is Augie's excuse)?

How about everyone signed before slotting went official, so there is a hole where some studs would be?

That definitely makes sense to me but should impact all schools not just the Texas ones. Look at UNC from earlier this year, they still had that stud freshman come to campus. The SEC schools never seem to have a shortage either. I also like the argument that teams with historically strong pitching (like the powers in Texas) are losing an edge with the new bats.

(05-06-2013 08:45 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:10 PM)13thOwl Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 07:39 PM)Old Sammy Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 04:56 PM)owlsfan Wrote:  Do we recruit against UT in baseball head-to-head, or do we take what they turn down? It would sure seem like a nice year or two to make some hay if we do recruit against them; this has not been a pleasant 2 years for them.

I'm sure we recruit against UT and every other Texas school. What puzzles me is the state of college baseball in Texas. The highest rated Texas school in RPI is Rice at 37. UH is 54, Baylor, A&M and UT are 59-62. Is the talent not coming out of Texas HS baseball in the last few years? Is the talent turning pro out of HS at a greater rate than usual (this is Augie's excuse)?

How about everyone signed before slotting went official, so there is a hole where some studs would be?

That definitely makes sense to me but should impact all schools not just the Texas ones. Look at UNC from earlier this year, they still had that stud freshman come to campus. The SEC schools never seem to have a shortage either. I also like the argument that teams with historically strong pitching (like the powers in Texas) are losing an edge with the new bats.

That's the argument I saw in the thread on the U of H board (or was it the Aggie Board? or one of those Boards quoting the other?).

It made a lot of sense to me.

I don't think this is a bad Rice team at all. I think we've be playing a new paradigm for a few seasons now, and the 'new normal' isn't something most of our fans like or can get themselves fully accustomed to.

I think the situation in Austin (and the rest of the state) is pretty telling. The environment we have now is not like it in 2003, and not like it was when we had Jose Cruz Jr. and Lance Berkman.

But from what I can see, there's still no better place to play baseball in Texas or our region than on South Main.

Quote: Kendall Rogers ‏@KendallRogersPG 6m
#Texas has reinstated RHP Corey Knebel after being suspended over the weekend. Cam Cox has been suspended indefinitely, however.

Kendall Rogers ‏@KendallRogersPG
If you can put two together, it's obvious why Cameron Cox is suspended for good. With that said, hopefully Knebel avoids suspension trifecta

Wait, so Knebel, despite testing positive for a banned substance and aiding in fraud, isn't suspended? If he tested "clean" before, doesn't this call those results into question? How deep is the rabbit hole? It's not as if Cox blamed it on some regular student... he blamed it on another player who seems to have confirmed it.

I mean, I'm not 100% convinced that adderall should be banned, but it apparently is.

(05-07-2013 12:30 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Wait, so Knebel, despite testing positive for a banned substance and aiding in fraud, isn't suspended? If he tested "clean" before, doesn't this call those results into question? How deep is the rabbit hole? It's not as if Cox blamed it on some regular student... he blamed it on another player who seems to have confirmed it.

I mean, I'm not 100% convinced that adderall should be banned, but it apparently is.

Since Knebel had a prescription, he was ok on the adderall - just not the cheating. The other player - no prescription (and, conjecture, he failed some other, additional controlled substance).

Seems weird that getting busted for fraud doesn't merit a stronger suspension.

(05-07-2013 01:28 PM)ausowl Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 12:30 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Wait, so Knebel, despite testing positive for a banned substance and aiding in fraud, isn't suspended? If he tested "clean" before, doesn't this call those results into question? How deep is the rabbit hole? It's not as if Cox blamed it on some regular student... he blamed it on another player who seems to have confirmed it.

I mean, I'm not 100% convinced that adderall should be banned, but it apparently is.

Since Knebel had a prescription, he was ok on the adderall - just not the cheating. The other player - no prescription (and, conjecture, he failed some other, additional controlled substance).

Seems weird that getting busted for fraud doesn't merit a stronger suspension.

I wonder how much adderall Knebel had to give Augie.

I think Adderall is one of those where it's okay if you have a prescription but not if you don't.
So Knebel could test positive for it and be okay because he's got a prescription for it.
But Cox doesn't have a prescription, so if it shows up on his that's a problem.
At least that's the way I'm understanding it, which doesn't necessarily mean that's correct.