http://hamptonroads.com/2013/04/concern-...t-violence

Quote:Calls for the first incidents – a shooting in the 2000 block of Atlantic Ave., and a simple assault and larceny at 21st Street and Pacific Avenue – both came at 11:23 p.m., police said. The second shooting was reported at 2:58 a.m., in the 300 block of 33rd St. The third shooting, and the last call for violence, came at 3:13 a.m., at 27th Street and Atlantic Avenue.

Virginia Beach Mayor Will Sessoms estimated 30,000 to 40,000 people were at the Oceanfront this weekend. One of the festivities was “College Beach Weekend 2013.”

This article doesn't mention the several armed robberies from that night at the Oceanfront that also occurred. National media has all but ignored the story and even the local outlets avoided reporting until it had gone viral on social media (4pm Sunday). 7 injured from stabbings/shootings.

If you're unfamiliar with the Greekfest riots from the 90's, do a google search.

Quote:College Beach Weekend 2013.”

hahhaha. Maybe if we just change the name we call it, no one will notice.... Wow.

Here is the website for "Beach Week 2013"

http://beachweekva.com/

(04-29-2013 10:25 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  Here is the website for "Beach Week 2013"

http://beachweekva.com/

Just to give you an idea of the atmosphere - from the link:

Quote:Pharrell Williams @Pharrell

Thank you sir #Virginia “@Timbaland: when i tell ya this new @BustaRhymes and @Pharrell its crazziee. wait til yall hear it.”

These aren't your typical college kids... most got a minority scholarship and affirmative action acceptance, and as a "thank you" they shoot the place up. Why?

(04-29-2013 10:36 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:25 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  Here is the website for "Beach Week 2013"

http://beachweekva.com/

Just to give you an idea of the atmosphere - from the link:

Quote:Pharrell Williams @Pharrell

Thank you sir #Virginia “@Timbaland: when i tell ya this new @BustaRhymes and @Pharrell its crazziee. wait til yall hear it.”

These aren't your typical college kids... most got a minority scholarship and affirmative action acceptance, and as a "thank you" they shoot the place up. Why?

Do you have statistics or just dumbassery to back that up?

I've served around Panama Beach and Ft Meyers on spring break. Those rich white kids sure know how to behave. Some of them even had some sizable Liberty Flames banners flying high.

(04-29-2013 10:54 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Do you have statistics or just dumbassery to back that up?

I've served around Panama Beach and Ft Meyers on spring break. Those rich white kids sure know how to behave. Some of them even had some sizable Liberty Flames banners flying high.

You want a link?

http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/100-blacks-be...es-attack/

Quote:There’s outrage in Norfolk, Va., today after a white couple was attacked by dozens of black teenagers, and the local newspaper did not report on the incident for two weeks, despite the victims being reporters for the paper.

Even today, the Virginian-Pilot did not cover the crime as news, but rather as an opinion piece by columnist Michelle Washington.

“Wave after wave of young men surged forward to take turns punching and kicking their victim,” Washington wrote, describing the onslaught that began when Dave Forster and Marjon Rostami stopped at a traffic light while driving home from a show on a Saturday night. A crowd of at least 100 black young people was on the sidewalk at the time.

Sorry it's not more current, but the local media does one heck of a job covering it up. THAT'S COVERED IN THE LINK TOO. OR - You could research the greekfest event and see that it's a very predominately black event.

I don't expect most of you to have a clue unless you lived in that area, but VA Beach is the white-collared city in Hampton Roads and surrounded by Norfolk, Portsmouth, Hampton, etc. They come to the Oceanfront in masses and destroy the place fairly regularly.

Let one of the ODU people tell me I'm lying...

(04-29-2013 10:36 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:25 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  Here is the website for "Beach Week 2013"

http://beachweekva.com/

Just to give you an idea of the atmosphere - from the link:

Quote:Pharrell Williams @Pharrell

Thank you sir #Virginia “@Timbaland: when i tell ya this new @BustaRhymes and @Pharrell its crazziee. wait til yall hear it.”

These aren't your typical college kids... most got a minority scholarship and affirmative action acceptance, and as a "thank you" they shoot the place up. Why?

(04-29-2013 11:06 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:54 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Do you have statistics or just dumbassery to back that up?

I've served around Panama Beach and Ft Meyers on spring break. Those rich white kids sure know how to behave. Some of them even had some sizable Liberty Flames banners flying high.

You want a link?

http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/100-blacks-be...es-attack/

Quote:There’s outrage in Norfolk, Va., today after a white couple was attacked by dozens of black teenagers, and the local newspaper did not report on the incident for two weeks, despite the victims being reporters for the paper.

Even today, the Virginian-Pilot did not cover the crime as news, but rather as an opinion piece by columnist Michelle Washington.

“Wave after wave of young men surged forward to take turns punching and kicking their victim,” Washington wrote, describing the onslaught that began when Dave Forster and Marjon Rostami stopped at a traffic light while driving home from a show on a Saturday night. A crowd of at least 100 black young people was on the sidewalk at the time.

Sorry it's not more current, but the local media does one heck of a job covering it up. THAT'S COVERED IN THE LINK TOO. OR - You could research the greekfest event and see that it's a very predominately black event.

I don't expect most of you to have a clue unless you lived in that area, but VA Beach is the white-collared city in Hampton Roads and surrounded by Norfolk, Portsmouth, Hampton, etc. They come to the Oceanfront in masses and destroy the place fairly regularly.

Let one of the ODU people tell me I'm lying...

None of that says that "most got a minority scholarship and affirmative action acceptance, and as a "thank you" they shoot the place up." Don't yada yada yada your way out of that statement.

(04-29-2013 10:36 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  These aren't your typical college kids... most got a minority scholarship and affirmative action acceptance, and as a "thank you" they shoot the place up. Why?

There were reportedly 30 to 40 THOUSAND people at the oceanfront this weekend. And you just generalized that most of them were college students who are only in school because of affirmative action and minority scholarships who "shot the place up." Three shootings is terrible but 3 out of 30,000 to 40,000 does not mean most of them shot the place up.

Also, Greek Fest riots were in 88 or 89, I believe, not in the 90's. In other words, almost 25 years ago and before most college kids today were born.

(04-29-2013 11:39 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:36 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  These aren't your typical college kids... most got a minority scholarship and affirmative action acceptance, and as a "thank you" they shoot the place up. Why?

There were reportedly 30 to 40 THOUSAND people at the oceanfront this weekend. And you just generalized that most of them were college students who are only in school because of affirmative action and minority scholarships who "shot the place up." Three shootings is terrible but 3 out of 30,000 to 40,000 does not mean most of them shot the place up.

Also, Greek Fest riots were in 88 or 89, I believe, not in the 90's. In other words, almost 25 years ago and before most college kids today were born.

Hey, there's 30,000-40,000 people at the oceanfront EVERY SINGLE DAY. Please do us a favor and explain why there's not 3 shootings, 4 stabbings, and 5 armed robberies every night at the oceanfront?

Please also clarify how this hasn't been a problem since '89. I will be happy to find you plenty of articles that prove you wrong. It's continuous (during certain events) and the local yocals do a fantastic job of covering up to protect that tourism money.

I live in Norfolk, VA and as a matter of personal policy I avoid going to Virginia Beach 365 days a year.

(04-29-2013 10:54 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:36 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:25 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  Here is the website for "Beach Week 2013"

http://beachweekva.com/

Just to give you an idea of the atmosphere - from the link:

Quote:Pharrell Williams @Pharrell

Thank you sir #Virginia “@Timbaland: when i tell ya this new @BustaRhymes and @Pharrell its crazziee. wait til yall hear it.”

These aren't your typical college kids... most got a minority scholarship and affirmative action acceptance, and as a "thank you" they shoot the place up. Why?

Do you have statistics or just dumbassery to back that up?

I've served around Panama Beach and Ft Meyers on spring break. Those rich white kids sure know how to behave. Some of them even had some sizable Liberty Flames banners flying high.

He is just your typical racist lowlife.

(04-29-2013 12:09 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:39 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:36 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  These aren't your typical college kids... most got a minority scholarship and affirmative action acceptance, and as a "thank you" they shoot the place up. Why?

There were reportedly 30 to 40 THOUSAND people at the oceanfront this weekend. And you just generalized that most of them were college students who are only in school because of affirmative action and minority scholarships who "shot the place up." Three shootings is terrible but 3 out of 30,000 to 40,000 does not mean most of them shot the place up.

Also, Greek Fest riots were in 88 or 89, I believe, not in the 90's. In other words, almost 25 years ago and before most college kids today were born.

Hey, there's 30,000-40,000 people at the oceanfront EVERY SINGLE DAY. Please do us a favor and explain why there's not 3 shootings, 4 stabbings, and 5 armed robberies every night at the oceanfront?

Please also clarify how this hasn't been a problem since '89. I will be happy to find you plenty of articles that prove you wrong. It's continuous (during certain events) and the local yocals do a fantastic job of covering up to protect that tourism money.

How do you know that isn't common? Do you read the police blotter every day?

(04-29-2013 12:20 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:09 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:39 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:36 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  These aren't your typical college kids... most got a minority scholarship and affirmative action acceptance, and as a "thank you" they shoot the place up. Why?

There were reportedly 30 to 40 THOUSAND people at the oceanfront this weekend. And you just generalized that most of them were college students who are only in school because of affirmative action and minority scholarships who "shot the place up." Three shootings is terrible but 3 out of 30,000 to 40,000 does not mean most of them shot the place up.

Also, Greek Fest riots were in 88 or 89, I believe, not in the 90's. In other words, almost 25 years ago and before most college kids today were born.

Hey, there's 30,000-40,000 people at the oceanfront EVERY SINGLE DAY. Please do us a favor and explain why there's not 3 shootings, 4 stabbings, and 5 armed robberies every night at the oceanfront?

Please also clarify how this hasn't been a problem since '89. I will be happy to find you plenty of articles that prove you wrong. It's continuous (during certain events) and the local yocals do a fantastic job of covering up to protect that tourism money.

How do you know that isn't common? Do you read the police blotter every day?

I lived at the Oceanfront for years and bartended at one of the bars in the story. Any more stupid questions?

(04-29-2013 12:09 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:39 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:36 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  These aren't your typical college kids... most got a minority scholarship and affirmative action acceptance, and as a "thank you" they shoot the place up. Why?

There were reportedly 30 to 40 THOUSAND people at the oceanfront this weekend. And you just generalized that most of them were college students who are only in school because of affirmative action and minority scholarships who "shot the place up." Three shootings is terrible but 3 out of 30,000 to 40,000 does not mean most of them shot the place up.

Also, Greek Fest riots were in 88 or 89, I believe, not in the 90's. In other words, almost 25 years ago and before most college kids today were born.

Hey, there's 30,000-40,000 people at the oceanfront EVERY SINGLE DAY. Please do us a favor and explain why there's not 3 shootings, 4 stabbings, and 5 armed robberies every night at the oceanfront?

Please also clarify how this hasn't been a problem since '89. I will be happy to find you plenty of articles that prove you wrong. It's continuous (during certain events) and the local yocals do a fantastic job of covering up to protect that tourism money.

(1) Nothing in your post addresses anything I said. Speaking about overall crime levels doesn’t address my point, which was addressing your statement that most of the 30,000-40,000 people at the oceanfront this weekend were college students who were shooting the place up and who were only in college due to affirmative action and minority scholarships. I pointed out that (A) the fact that 3 shootings occurred means that most of the 30-40 k people there were, indeed, not shooting the place up. That is fact. And (B) that you have no proof or even a scintilla of evidence that most of the people there were college students who were only in college due to affirmative action and minority scholarships.

(2) As for your asking me to clarify how this hasn’t been a problem since 1989. (A) I never said it hasn’t. I simply clarified inaccuracies in your post. (B) I’m not going to waste my time attempting to prove a negative to you. All I can speak from is my experience. And I, a white male, have been to the oceanfront literally hundreds of times since 1989 (when I was five years old) and I have never, personally, had an issue. Does that mean problems don’t exist? Of course not. Do I see reasons to avoid Va. Beach, however? Not at all.

(04-29-2013 12:30 PM)ODU06 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:09 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:39 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:36 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  These aren't your typical college kids... most got a minority scholarship and affirmative action acceptance, and as a "thank you" they shoot the place up. Why?

There were reportedly 30 to 40 THOUSAND people at the oceanfront this weekend. And you just generalized that most of them were college students who are only in school because of affirmative action and minority scholarships who "shot the place up." Three shootings is terrible but 3 out of 30,000 to 40,000 does not mean most of them shot the place up.

Also, Greek Fest riots were in 88 or 89, I believe, not in the 90's. In other words, almost 25 years ago and before most college kids today were born.

Hey, there's 30,000-40,000 people at the oceanfront EVERY SINGLE DAY. Please do us a favor and explain why there's not 3 shootings, 4 stabbings, and 5 armed robberies every night at the oceanfront?

Please also clarify how this hasn't been a problem since '89. I will be happy to find you plenty of articles that prove you wrong. It's continuous (during certain events) and the local yocals do a fantastic job of covering up to protect that tourism money.

(1) Nothing in your post addresses anything I said. Speaking about overall crime levels doesn’t address my point, which was addressing your statement that most of the 30,000-40,000 people at the oceanfront this weekend were mostly college students who were shooting the place up and who were only in college due to affirmative action and minority scholarships. I pointed out that (A) the fact that 3 shootings occurred means that most of the 30-40 k people there were, indeed, not shooting the place up. That is fact. And (B) that you have no proof or even a scintilla of evidence that most of the people there were college students who were only in college due to affirmative action and minority scholarships.

(2) As for your asking me to clarify how this hasn’t been a problem since 1989. (A) I never said it hasn’t. I simply clarified inaccuracies in your post. (B) I’m not going to waste my time attempting to prove a negative to you. All I can speak from is my experience. And I, a white male, have been to the oceanfront literally hundreds of times since 1989 (when I was five years old) and I have never, personally, had an issue. Does that mean problems don’t exist? Of course not. Do I see reasons to avoid Va. Beach, however? Not at all.

Hasn't addressed it and it's very likely that he won't.

I would like him to address the uptick in assaults, shootings, and just overall violent crime during Panama City and Ft. Myers spring breaks.

(04-29-2013 12:21 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:20 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:09 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:39 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:36 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  These aren't your typical college kids... most got a minority scholarship and affirmative action acceptance, and as a "thank you" they shoot the place up. Why?

There were reportedly 30 to 40 THOUSAND people at the oceanfront this weekend. And you just generalized that most of them were college students who are only in school because of affirmative action and minority scholarships who "shot the place up." Three shootings is terrible but 3 out of 30,000 to 40,000 does not mean most of them shot the place up.

Also, Greek Fest riots were in 88 or 89, I believe, not in the 90's. In other words, almost 25 years ago and before most college kids today were born.

Hey, there's 30,000-40,000 people at the oceanfront EVERY SINGLE DAY. Please do us a favor and explain why there's not 3 shootings, 4 stabbings, and 5 armed robberies every night at the oceanfront?

Please also clarify how this hasn't been a problem since '89. I will be happy to find you plenty of articles that prove you wrong. It's continuous (during certain events) and the local yocals do a fantastic job of covering up to protect that tourism money.

How do you know that isn't common? Do you read the police blotter every day?

I lived at the Oceanfront for years and bartended at one of the bars in the story. Any more stupid questions?

So when did you work there? Do you know it isn't CURRENTLY common? Do you read the police blotter everyday?

I am going to very cautiously wade into these racial waters........and probably regret it at a later time.

While I do not agree with JF's stereotype about the academic pedigree of the participants of both Greekfest and last week's "festival", many of us with ties to South Hampton Roads remember too well the Greekfest riots from years ago. I, too, was a student and bartended at the Ocean Front during that time period, and remember the very racial overtones of the "exuberance" shown by the rioters during that event. It was downplayed by the media, of course, but the event was for minorities, and the rioting was performed by minorities. Whether they were students or those that congregate around students really did not matter, only the fact that distinctions were made based upon skin color, with violent consequences.

Fast forward to this weekend. My cousin (actually half-brother as our fathers were identical twins) owns a bar on the south end of the oceanfront. Due to "local knowledge" that this event had the potential to get out of hand, they added additional security for their business over the weekend...and needed it. The hotel to which the bar was attached sustained a couple thousand dollars of damage, and the extra security was well-placed to prevent the bar patrons from enduring anything more than violent and colorful language at the bar entrance.

I could not care less if this was a Shriner's conference or HBCU Spring Break, but two times in our memories, violence has ensued from catering to a specific demographic that found the Oceanfront a great place to loot, vandalize, and partake in a gang mentality detrimental to public safety. I loathe the mentality that justifies any behavior such as this.

So feel free to make your sweeping generalizations about my motives. But experience shows this type of event has been linked to issues with a certain demographic. I wish it were not the case, but such is the case.

So while JF may have made some assumptions that many of would take issue, the fact that incidents took place are not disputed. ANd I would prefer that "business" to take their business elsewhere.

This is why Freaknik was run out of Atlanta.

(04-29-2013 09:37 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I am going to very cautiously wade into these racial waters........and probably regret it at a later time.

While I do not agree with JF's stereotype about the academic pedigree of the participants of both Greekfest and last week's "festival", many of us with ties to South Hampton Roads remember too well the Greekfest riots from years ago. I, too, was a student and bartended at the Ocean Front during that time period, and remember the very racial overtones of the "exuberance" shown by the rioters during that event. It was downplayed by the media, of course, but the event was for minorities, and the rioting was performed by minorities. Whether they were students or those that congregate around students really did not matter, only the fact that distinctions were made based upon skin color, with violent consequences.

Fast forward to this weekend. My cousin (actually half-brother as our fathers were identical twins) owns a bar on the south end of the oceanfront. Due to "local knowledge" that this event had the potential to get out of hand, they added additional security for their business over the weekend...and needed it. The hotel to which the bar was attached sustained a couple thousand dollars of damage, and the extra security was well-placed to prevent the bar patrons from enduring anything more than violent and colorful language at the bar entrance.

I could not care less if this was a Shriner's conference or HBCU Spring Break, but two times in our memories, violence has ensued from catering to a specific demographic that found the Oceanfront a great place to loot, vandalize, and partake in a gang mentality detrimental to public safety. I loathe the mentality that justifies any behavior such as this.

So feel free to make your sweeping generalizations about my motives. But experience shows this type of event has been linked to issues with a certain demographic. I wish it were not the case, but such is the case.

So while JF may have made some assumptions that many of would take issue, the fact that incidents took place are not disputed. ANd I would prefer that "business" to take their business elsewhere.

Smitty, though I do not agree with your political persuasions, you pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one. I have lived here in Hampton Roads my whole life so you go it right. I felt you kept the tone honest and without racially motive assumptions like our Lynchburg Neighbor.

Anytime you put drunken college kids in close proximity to each other...you have problems. Look for VABch to run them away.

The same thing happened in the 80's in Myrtle Beach and I was slap in the middle of the fun. It got so bad that the hotels stopped taking reservations for anything but families and any disturbance caused immediate expulsion from lodging. That policy still is in effect today.

I remember seeing a group of fools throwing furniture out of the window of their room into the swimming pool. I have no idea what they were thinking at the time.

It sounds like the level of stupid has increased over the years. I do not recall any gun play or robberies...just foolish nonsense and drunken frat boys.