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(04-22-2013 02:11 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  per fowler

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Saw that to. Wasn't sure if it included bowl and NCAA money as well, though.

If ESPN is opening the checkbook, i still like the acc jumping to 18 with uconn, temple, and cincy + football only of byu. The acc can form 2 divisions of 9. It would basically be the old acc and a modified version of the old big east. The downside is adding those 3 pretty much eliminates ND from ever joining the ACC for football but clearly ND doesn't want to join anybody for football, so why not create 2 monster hoops leagues under one banner.

Atlantic: BC, Uconn, Cuse, Pitt, Temple, Cincy, Lville, Miami, ND

Coastal: UVa, Va tech, unc, duke, nc state, wake, clemson, Ga tech, FSU

football 8-1 format (fsu-miami are locked and not rotated), hoops 16-2 format, 2 week-end conference hoops tourney at 3 sites with MSG getting the final 4 + the ACC network coming on line.

(04-22-2013 02:28 PM)bluesox Wrote:  If ESPN is opening the checkbook, i still like the acc jumping to 18 with uconn, temple, and cincy + football only of byu. The acc can form 2 divisions of 9. It would basically be the old acc and a modified version of the old big east. The downside is adding those 3 pretty much eliminates ND from ever joining the ACC for football but clearly ND doesn't want to join anybody for football, so why not create 2 monster hoops leagues under one banner.

Atlantic: BC, Uconn, Cuse, Pitt, Temple, Cincy, Lville, Miami, ND

Coastal: UVa, Va tech, unc, duke, nc state, wake, clemson, Ga tech, FSU

football 8-1 format (fsu-miami are locked and not rotated), hoops 16-2 format all with ACC network on line.

Because that would rob every current ACC team of a game with ND. As of now they're on every team's schedule every 3 years. More teams stretches that out. Won't happen.

Does sound like its just the TV deal. Wow.

"Starting July 1, the ACC's annual media rights intake per school will surpass $20 million, according to a league source."

Also important: "There's a correlation between the GOR and the ACC's push for a 24-hour channel"

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ights-deal

(04-22-2013 02:28 PM)bluesox Wrote:  If ESPN is opening the checkbook, i still like the acc jumping to 18 with uconn, temple, and cincy + football only of byu. The acc can form 2 divisions of 9. It would basically be the old acc and a modified version of the old big east. The downside is adding those 3 pretty much eliminates ND from ever joining the ACC for football but clearly ND doesn't want to join anybody for football, so why not create 2 monster hoops leagues under one banner.

Atlantic: BC, Uconn, Cuse, Pitt, Temple, Cincy, Lville, Miami, ND

Coastal: UVa, Va tech, unc, duke, nc state, wake, clemson, Ga tech, FSU

football 8-1 format (fsu-miami are locked and not rotated), hoops 16-2 format, 2 week-end conference hoops tourney at 3 sites with MSG getting the final 4 + the ACC network coming on line.

Ill modify it a bit

18 team ACC

Atlantic Division:
BC, UConn, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, Cincy, Temple, Miami, Navy (FB Only)
Coastal Division:
FSU, Ga Tech, Clemson, Wake, NC State, UNC, Duke, UVA, Va Tech

Notre Dame does its 5 game thing, everyone gets Notre Dame at least once every 4 years.

Basketball 18 game schedule - divisional round robin (16 games), 2 interdivision made for tv games. Notre Dame in Navy's Atlantic Division slot

Baseball and other non revenue sports - no mandatory interdivisional play outside of conference tournament unless it is needed to fill out the league.

I don't think navy can or should handle such a setup, that would be 9 ACC games + ND, AFA and Army. Espn already owns byu football but that's pretty much their only western content. Maybe if ND moved to 6 ACC games it could work, so each school could play nd every 3 years. I got to think ESPN would like it since they basically bring back the big east and keep the acc, throw in they already own BYU football so they make their only western school more valuable. Also, ND probably would like it since its sabotage them from ever joining the acc for football. The divisions work so school's that have history get the play each. Add a network and its a nice umbrella alliance. IF somehow WVU could join, i'd drop temple but that might mean the big 12 picks up byu.

If anything the ACC takes 1 school to get to an even 16 in basketball and create a cleaner 15 team rotation for Notre Dame agreement (5 teams a yr x 3 years). That would make a nice Cincinnati / UConn/ USF death match.

If by some crazy miracle/curse/act of total stupidity, the ACC did expand again, I'd bet good money than any new members won't have any claim to any games with ND.

The ACC has all of its media rights in one package to ESPN correct? So that's third tier, champ games, tourneys, etc...

Just putting that out there fwiw....many other leagues have things broken out in different packages.

$20 million per team is a lot, unless you are making $40 million per team, the estimated number for SEC and Big 10 in another three years. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ans-primer

Yeah, no ? the sec and big 10 make more but if this locks the acc down for some time than it will just depend on what each conferences contract is worth 10-15 years down the road.

(04-22-2013 03:19 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  $20 million per team is a lot, unless you are making $40 million per team, the estimated number for SEC and Big 10 in another three years. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ans-primer

And if that happens, the other Power 5 TV deals will increase significantly as well. Maybe not as much as the SEC or Big Ten but it will be significant increases.

(04-22-2013 03:44 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 03:19 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  $20 million per team is a lot, unless you are making $40 million per team, the estimated number for SEC and Big 10 in another three years. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ans-primer

And if that happens, the other Power 5 TV deals will increase significantly as well. Maybe not as much as the SEC or Big Ten but it will be significant increases.

The CBS article indicates that the SEC will get "$28.5 million per team before factoring in bowl game earnings or NCAA credits." In other words, $28.5M from TV (includes SEC Network), but when you add in bowls, playoffs, etc. the estimated TOTAL is close to $40M.

By the same reckoning, the estimated ACC total is > $30M.

NOTE: B1G estimates of $40M also include bowls, NCAA tournament, and everything else - that is not a TV number, it's a TOTAL number.

(04-22-2013 03:15 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  If anything the ACC takes 1 school to get to an even 16 in basketball and create a cleaner 15 team rotation for Notre Dame agreement (5 teams a yr x 3 years). That would make a nice Cincinnati / UConn/ USF death match.

If/when the ACC looks for #16, none of those three will be in the crosshairs.

a) If its inclusion means Notre Dame increases its commitment to 8 FB games, then Navy is on the menu.

b) If Texas calls tomorrow (or 2017, or 2025) and informs Swofford of its desire to join, and play 6 games against ACC football members AND allows the ACC to pick the schools (like ND has agreed to), Texas is on the menu. Given what the Texas AD said last year to some boosters, this isn't far fetched.

c) If for some crazy reason, Penn State decides it has more in common with its eastern brethren and has the money to get out of the B1G, Penn State is on the menu.

Otherwise, the ACC will be happy at #15, its football-playing members will happily cash $20M+ checks from ESPN each season (at least into 2017, the look-in year when that $$ amount will increase), plus whatever checks it gets from the NCAA through the basketball tournament.

UConn doesn't have the votes. They'd be fighting a death match for no reason.

USF -- they bring nothing to the ACC that the ACC doesn't already have, AND the league has demonstrated the ability play postseason activities in Tampa.

Cincy -- I like them. However, they don't bring anything into the league that it doesn't already gain through the presence of ND, Louisville, and to some degree, Pitt.

(04-22-2013 03:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 03:44 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 03:19 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  $20 million per team is a lot, unless you are making $40 million per team, the estimated number for SEC and Big 10 in another three years. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ans-primer

And if that happens, the other Power 5 TV deals will increase significantly as well. Maybe not as much as the SEC or Big Ten but it will be significant increases.

The CBS article indicates that the SEC will get "$28.5 million per team before factoring in bowl game earnings or NCAA credits." In other words, $28.5M from TV (includes SEC Network), but when you add in bowls, playoffs, etc. the estimated TOTAL is close to $40M.

By the same reckoning, the estimated ACC total is > $30M.

NOTE: B1G estimates of $40M also include bowls, NCAA tournament, and everything else - that is not a TV number, it's a TOTAL number.

No, No, No

Realignment math dictates the ACC can never add in the other unnamed Tier 3 rights (Coaches shows, radio deals, bowl monies, NCAA units, etc...) and the ACC is the only conference which the league office has overhead and takes a share.

(04-22-2013 03:54 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 03:15 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  If anything the ACC takes 1 school to get to an even 16 in basketball and create a cleaner 15 team rotation for Notre Dame agreement (5 teams a yr x 3 years). That would make a nice Cincinnati / UConn/ USF death match.

If/when the ACC looks for #16, none of those three will be in the crosshairs.

a) If its inclusion means Notre Dame increases its commitment to 8 FB games, then Navy is on the menu.

b) If Texas calls tomorrow (or 2017, or 2025) and informs Swofford of its desire to join, and play 6 games against ACC football members AND allows the ACC to pick the schools (like ND has agreed to), Texas is on the menu. Given what the Texas AD said last year to some boosters, this isn't far fetched.

c) If for some crazy reason, Penn State decides it has more in common with its eastern brethren and has the money to get out of the B1G, Penn State is on the menu.

Otherwise, the ACC will be happy at #15, its football-playing members will happily cash $20M+ checks from ESPN each season (at least into 2017, the look-in year when that $$ amount will increase), plus whatever checks it gets from the NCAA through the basketball tournament.

UConn doesn't have the votes. They'd be fighting a death match for no reason.

USF -- they bring nothing to the ACC that the ACC doesn't already have, AND the league has demonstrated the ability play postseason activities in Tampa.

Cincy -- I like them. However, they don't bring anything into the league that it doesn't already gain through the presence of ND, Louisville, and to some degree, Pitt.

I have a similar stance... Suppose ACC get Texas + Cincy; recruiting would be off the charts

The per year numbers are only averages. Next year will prob be much lower while the end of the contract will be much higher. This also prob adds a bunch of years to the deal. That's a real issue especially with Fox as a legit new player in the game.

(04-22-2013 04:15 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The per year numbers are only averages. Next year will prob be much lower while the end of the contract will be much higher. This also prob adds a bunch of years to the deal. That's a real issue especially with Fox as a legit new player in the game.

No, they were very clear - the contract still expires in 2027, just like before.

"The agreement will go to 2026-27, the duration of the league's contract with ESPN." - Jeremy Fowler, CBS