(04-20-2013 07:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why do we need to understand these ********? They killed innoicecnt civilians going about their daily lives, killed a cop in the line of duty and wounded hundreds more, and you ask if we know his motives?

How about who gives a flying **** about his motives or his "firey internal rage fueled by the oppression of his people" (even though he's an American citizen) or any other crack pot excuse that some NYU or Columbia lawya is going to scheme up.

How do we know his motives... Holy ****, who cares?

Yeah! Who gives a ******* **** about the ******* Constitution, motherfuckers?

(04-20-2013 07:48 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:18 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:04 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:00 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 06:32 PM)EagleX Wrote:  he has been a citizen for 7 months. and he was almost without question planning terrorist acts while he was signing his citizenship forms.

we need to get it out of our heads that somehow a recent citizenship ceremony makes this evil little bastard something other than a terrorist -- if it makes you any happier, we can strip him of his fraudulent citizenship before we ship his ass off to gitmo and waterboard the snit out of him.

We are not China. It doesn't work that way. And how do you know he was without question planning this back then? There's a lot of crap getting thrown around here "for sure" and "without question" that is absolutely without evidence. Just because you watched a season of 24 doesn't mean your intuition is probably right.

When you attack Americans simply because they're Americans then I think you should automatically lose your membership to this country because apparently being an American citizen just meant soooooo much to this loser.

So how do you know his motives?

I don't*. and it doesn't matter. what matters is that his citizenship is more than likely on shaky ground. you don't renounce all allegiance to other authority and swear to support and defend the constitution one day, and blow a little boy into pieces simply because he was american the next -- not without being fraudulent.

get past the "citizenship" problem. it isn't real.

*although it was explained to me tonight in another thread that buying a gun was fine for one reason, but crazy for another reason.

Even the most banana republic-y of places don't just get to decide on a whim whose citizenship is "real" and whose isn't.

(04-20-2013 07:55 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why do we need to understand these ********? They killed innoicecnt civilians going about their daily lives, killed a cop in the line of duty and wounded hundreds more, and you ask if we know his motives?

How about who gives a flying **** about his motives or his "firey internal rage fueled by the oppression of his people" (even though he's an American citizen) or any other crack pot excuse that some NYU or Columbia lawya is going to scheme up.

How do we know his motives... Holy ****, who cares?

Yeah! Who gives a ******* **** about the ******* Constitution, motherfuckers?

What are you even talking, or screaming, about? Are you drunk? Who said anything about the Constitution?

You asked how I/we know his motives. I said who cares?

Are we interested so we can explain this away? So that we, shucks, can try to do better by him and his the next time around?

Sure get to the bottom of the entire criminal enterprise, but whatever his "motives", ie. excuse, may be should be about last in line about what we care about. Right down there with what he had for dinner when he happily returned to his College dorm after murdering 3 people.

(04-20-2013 08:11 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:55 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why do we need to understand these ********? They killed innoicecnt civilians going about their daily lives, killed a cop in the line of duty and wounded hundreds more, and you ask if we know his motives?

How about who gives a flying **** about his motives or his "firey internal rage fueled by the oppression of his people" (even though he's an American citizen) or any other crack pot excuse that some NYU or Columbia lawya is going to scheme up.

How do we know his motives... Holy ****, who cares?

Yeah! Who gives a ******* **** about the ******* Constitution, motherfuckers?

What are you even talking, or screaming, about? Are you drunk? Who said anything about the Constitution?

You asked how I/we know his motives. I said who cares?

Are we interested so we can explain this away? So that we, shucks, can try to do better by him and his the next time around?

Sure get to the bottom of the entire criminal enterprise, but whatever his "motives", ie. excuse, may be should be about last in line about what we care about. Right down there with what he had for dinner when he happily returned to his College dorm after murdering 3 people.

U.S. citizens are entitled to certain rights, like due process. My questions about his motives was someone who wanted to strip him of his rights based on his motives ("When you attack Americans simply because they're Americans then I think you should automatically lose your membership to this country"). Try to keep up.

I could see finding out about his motives, but more than that his methods.
They may have not had any help, but probably did in mixing this stuff.
Guy may have learned it when he went to Russia for six months, but
doubt he was so successful just reading about it on the internet. Most
of those have a high failure rate. There is someone else out there planning
and/or helping to prepare future explosions against us.

(04-20-2013 07:58 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:48 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:18 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:04 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:00 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  We are not China. It doesn't work that way. And how do you know he was without question planning this back then? There's a lot of crap getting thrown around here "for sure" and "without question" that is absolutely without evidence. Just because you watched a season of 24 doesn't mean your intuition is probably right.

When you attack Americans simply because they're Americans then I think you should automatically lose your membership to this country because apparently being an American citizen just meant soooooo much to this loser.

So how do you know his motives?

I don't*. and it doesn't matter. what matters is that his citizenship is more than likely on shaky ground. you don't renounce all allegiance to other authority and swear to support and defend the constitution one day, and blow a little boy into pieces simply because he was american the next -- not without being fraudulent.

get past the "citizenship" problem. it isn't real.

*although it was explained to me tonight in another thread that buying a gun was fine for one reason, but crazy for another reason.

Even the most banana republic-y of places don't just get to decide on a whim whose citizenship is "real" and whose isn't.

it isn't a "whim". the guy obviously lied on his forms, and during his interview, and when he took his oath of citizenship.

(04-20-2013 08:54 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:58 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:48 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:18 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:04 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  When you attack Americans simply because they're Americans then I think you should automatically lose your membership to this country because apparently being an American citizen just meant soooooo much to this loser.

So how do you know his motives?

I don't*. and it doesn't matter. what matters is that his citizenship is more than likely on shaky ground. you don't renounce all allegiance to other authority and swear to support and defend the constitution one day, and blow a little boy into pieces simply because he was american the next -- not without being fraudulent.

get past the "citizenship" problem. it isn't real.

*although it was explained to me tonight in another thread that buying a gun was fine for one reason, but crazy for another reason.

Even the most banana republic-y of places don't just get to decide on a whim whose citizenship is "real" and whose isn't.

it isn't a "whim". the guy obviously lied on his forms, and during his interview, and when he took his oath of citizenship.

So you've seen them, then? I missed where they had been released to the public.

(04-20-2013 08:41 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  I could see finding out about his motives, but more than that his methods.
They may have not had any help, but probably did in mixing this stuff.
Guy may have learned it when he went to Russia for six months, but
doubt he was so successful just reading about it on the internet. Most
of those have a high failure rate. There is someone else out there planning
and/or helping to prepare future explosions against us.

AQ is recruiting in our country. we need to recognize that.

(04-20-2013 08:55 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:54 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:58 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:48 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:18 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  So how do you know his motives?

I don't*. and it doesn't matter. what matters is that his citizenship is more than likely on shaky ground. you don't renounce all allegiance to other authority and swear to support and defend the constitution one day, and blow a little boy into pieces simply because he was american the next -- not without being fraudulent.

get past the "citizenship" problem. it isn't real.

*although it was explained to me tonight in another thread that buying a gun was fine for one reason, but crazy for another reason.

Even the most banana republic-y of places don't just get to decide on a whim whose citizenship is "real" and whose isn't.

it isn't a "whim". the guy obviously lied on his forms, and during his interview, and when he took his oath of citizenship.

So you've seen them, then? I missed where they had been released to the public.

yes. one just blew up an 8 year old kid. and maimed his sister. get with the program.

(04-20-2013 08:55 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:41 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  I could see finding out about his motives, but more than that his methods.
They may have not had any help, but probably did in mixing this stuff.
Guy may have learned it when he went to Russia for six months, but
doubt he was so successful just reading about it on the internet. Most
of those have a high failure rate. There is someone else out there planning
and/or helping to prepare future explosions against us.

AQ is recruiting in our country. we need to recognize that.

Yep, and we have enough kooks to fall for them.
Thank you U.S. Immigration Dept.

(04-20-2013 08:57 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:55 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:54 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:58 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:48 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I don't*. and it doesn't matter. what matters is that his citizenship is more than likely on shaky ground. you don't renounce all allegiance to other authority and swear to support and defend the constitution one day, and blow a little boy into pieces simply because he was american the next -- not without being fraudulent.

get past the "citizenship" problem. it isn't real.

*although it was explained to me tonight in another thread that buying a gun was fine for one reason, but crazy for another reason.

Even the most banana republic-y of places don't just get to decide on a whim whose citizenship is "real" and whose isn't.

it isn't a "whim". the guy obviously lied on his forms, and during his interview, and when he took his oath of citizenship.

So you've seen them, then? I missed where they had been released to the public.

yes. one just blew up an 8 year old kid. and maimed his sister. get with the program.

Huh? You said he "obviously lied" on his citizenship forms. I asked if you had seen those forms. I'm just about done debating with you, you seem to have some kind of mental illness.

(04-20-2013 08:59 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:57 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:55 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:54 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:58 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  Even the most banana republic-y of places don't just get to decide on a whim whose citizenship is "real" and whose isn't.

it isn't a "whim". the guy obviously lied on his forms, and during his interview, and when he took his oath of citizenship.

So you've seen them, then? I missed where they had been released to the public.

yes. one just blew up an 8 year old kid. and maimed his sister. get with the program.

Huh? You said he "obviously lied" on his citizenship forms. I asked if you had seen those forms. I'm just about done debating with you, you seem to have some kind of mental illness.

try to follow me. I know its difficult for you.

a guy that took the oath of citizenship on 9/11/2012 was clearly plotting to blow something up on 4/15/2103. in the same moment that he took the oath of citizenship, he was plotting to kill americans.

do you think that a bureaucratic exercise cleanses you of all former evil, or current evil intent?

(04-20-2013 09:04 PM)EagleX Wrote:  a guy that took the oath of citizenship on 9/11/2012 was clearly plotting to blow something up on 4/15/2103. in the same moment that he took the oath of citizenship, he was plotting to kill americans.

You don't know that.

(04-20-2013 09:04 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:59 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:57 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:55 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:54 PM)EagleX Wrote:  it isn't a "whim". the guy obviously lied on his forms, and during his interview, and when he took his oath of citizenship.

So you've seen them, then? I missed where they had been released to the public.

yes. one just blew up an 8 year old kid. and maimed his sister. get with the program.

Huh? You said he "obviously lied" on his citizenship forms. I asked if you had seen those forms. I'm just about done debating with you, you seem to have some kind of mental illness.

try to follow me. I know its difficult for you.

a guy that took the oath of citizenship on 9/11/2012 was clearly plotting to blow something up on 4/15/2103. in the same moment that he took the oath of citizenship, he was plotting to kill americans.

do you think that a bureaucratic exercise cleanses you of all former evil, or current evil intent?

You keep saying "clearly" and "obviously" but you have not offered a single piece of evidence. When challenged on it you just say something about the victims of the bombing. That has no bearing on what he said in his citizenship interviews or what he put on his applications.

(04-20-2013 09:04 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:59 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:57 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:55 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:54 PM)EagleX Wrote:  it isn't a "whim". the guy obviously lied on his forms, and during his interview, and when he took his oath of citizenship.

So you've seen them, then? I missed where they had been released to the public.

yes. one just blew up an 8 year old kid. and maimed his sister. get with the program.

Huh? You said he "obviously lied" on his citizenship forms. I asked if you had seen those forms. I'm just about done debating with you, you seem to have some kind of mental illness.

try to follow me. I know its difficult for you.

a guy that took the oath of citizenship on 9/11/2012 was clearly plotting to blow something up on 4/15/2103. in the same moment that he took the oath of citizenship, he was plotting to kill americans.

do you think that a bureaucratic exercise cleanses you of all former evil, or current evil intent?

"Current evil intent" isn't a crime.

He definitely lied when he took his oath of citizenship.
Guess they should have had him put his hand on the Koran.

(04-20-2013 09:08 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 09:04 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:59 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:57 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:55 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  So you've seen them, then? I missed where they had been released to the public.

yes. one just blew up an 8 year old kid. and maimed his sister. get with the program.

Huh? You said he "obviously lied" on his citizenship forms. I asked if you had seen those forms. I'm just about done debating with you, you seem to have some kind of mental illness.

try to follow me. I know its difficult for you.

a guy that took the oath of citizenship on 9/11/2012 was clearly plotting to blow something up on 4/15/2103. in the same moment that he took the oath of citizenship, he was plotting to kill americans.

do you think that a bureaucratic exercise cleanses you of all former evil, or current evil intent?

"Current evil intent" isn't a crime.

no, but it obviates your oath of citizenship. and that has always been my point.

(04-20-2013 09:07 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 09:04 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:59 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:57 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:55 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  So you've seen them, then? I missed where they had been released to the public.

yes. one just blew up an 8 year old kid. and maimed his sister. get with the program.

Huh? You said he "obviously lied" on his citizenship forms. I asked if you had seen those forms. I'm just about done debating with you, you seem to have some kind of mental illness.

try to follow me. I know its difficult for you.

a guy that took the oath of citizenship on 9/11/2012 was clearly plotting to blow something up on 4/15/2103. in the same moment that he took the oath of citizenship, he was plotting to kill americans.

do you think that a bureaucratic exercise cleanses you of all former evil, or current evil intent?

You keep saying "clearly" and "obviously" but you have not offered a single piece of evidence. When challenged on it you just say something about the victims of the bombing. That has no bearing on what he said in his citizenship interviews or what he put on his applications.

I don't have to. the argument isn't his guilt or innocence as a citizen. the argument is over whether he is a citizen or not.

I say he is not. logic and reasoning says that he is not.

we need not turn this miserable little bastard into a civil rights conversation if he wasn't a citizen in the first place.

(04-20-2013 09:16 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 09:07 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 09:04 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:59 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:57 PM)EagleX Wrote:  yes. one just blew up an 8 year old kid. and maimed his sister. get with the program.

Huh? You said he "obviously lied" on his citizenship forms. I asked if you had seen those forms. I'm just about done debating with you, you seem to have some kind of mental illness.

try to follow me. I know its difficult for you.

a guy that took the oath of citizenship on 9/11/2012 was clearly plotting to blow something up on 4/15/2103. in the same moment that he took the oath of citizenship, he was plotting to kill americans.

do you think that a bureaucratic exercise cleanses you of all former evil, or current evil intent?

You keep saying "clearly" and "obviously" but you have not offered a single piece of evidence. When challenged on it you just say something about the victims of the bombing. That has no bearing on what he said in his citizenship interviews or what he put on his applications.

I don't have to. the argument isn't his guilt or innocence as a citizen. the argument is over whether he is a citizen or not.

I say he is not. logic and reasoning says that he is not.

we need not turn this miserable little bastard into a civil rights conversation if he wasn't a citizen in the first place.

If that's the argument, then you've clearly lost. There are only two options: citizen or non-citizen. He is undeniably a citizen, having gone through the appropriate legal process to become one. Just because you don't like it doesn't change that fact.

(04-20-2013 09:26 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 09:16 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 09:07 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 09:04 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 08:59 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  Huh? You said he "obviously lied" on his citizenship forms. I asked if you had seen those forms. I'm just about done debating with you, you seem to have some kind of mental illness.

try to follow me. I know its difficult for you.

a guy that took the oath of citizenship on 9/11/2012 was clearly plotting to blow something up on 4/15/2103. in the same moment that he took the oath of citizenship, he was plotting to kill americans.

do you think that a bureaucratic exercise cleanses you of all former evil, or current evil intent?

You keep saying "clearly" and "obviously" but you have not offered a single piece of evidence. When challenged on it you just say something about the victims of the bombing. That has no bearing on what he said in his citizenship interviews or what he put on his applications.

I don't have to. the argument isn't his guilt or innocence as a citizen. the argument is over whether he is a citizen or not.

I say he is not. logic and reasoning says that he is not.

we need not turn this miserable little bastard into a civil rights conversation if he wasn't a citizen in the first place.

If that's the argument, then you've clearly lost. There are only two options: citizen or non-citizen. He is undeniably a citizen, having gone through the appropriate legal process to become one. Just because you don't like it doesn't change that fact.

He is clearly a US Citizen...and that is GD shame. I hope this little SOB dies a horrible death asap.