So, in light of Bowlesby's announcement it seems more likely that this will be the quitest offseason in years for the top 5, MWC and American whatever. Even the B1G divisional alignment is largely set.

yeah totally agree. I do think for the smaller conferences though, this is going to be an insane offseason for them. Already started seeing that and it's just going to continue.

I'm not so sure.

Big 10 will start negotiating a new deal to replace the current ABC/ESPN deal. Maybe they are done with Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland and maybe they aren't. If not they are going to need some lead time to get ready for those negotiations for the contract that expires after the 2016 season.

In the group of 5, MWC, CUSA, and MAC all have deals expiring after the 2016 year. There may be a pause but I wouldn't bank on it.

(04-17-2013 10:25 AM)westwolf Wrote:  So, in light of Bowlesby's announcement it seems more likely that this will be the quitest offseason in years for the top 5, MWC and American whatever. Even the B1G divisional alignment is largely set.

Remains to be seen. We'll know in August.

But for basketball conferences, its definitely going to be a crazy summer.

(04-17-2013 10:47 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I'm not so sure.

Big 10 will start negotiating a new deal to replace the current ABC/ESPN deal. Maybe they are done with Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland and maybe they aren't. If not they are going to need some lead time to get ready for those negotiations for the contract that expires after the 2016 season.

In the group of 5, MWC, CUSA, and MAC all have deals expiring after the 2016 year. There may be a pause but I wouldn't bank on it.

I think for Big Ten it wouldn't be necessarily this off season but moreso next one.

As far the group of 5, I think the new MWC deal was thru 2019 if memory serves me right with ESPN. Not sure if the CBS part got extended or not. But for those, if there's no movement up above them, they won't/can't do anything- they would lose BCS money by expanding more than 12.

All hell breaks loose by June 1, or it stays calm for a while. That's when the Maryland/ACC lawsuit is supposed to go to court. Neither side wants to do that, so we'll see a settlement. What that settlement becomes will determine how much, if any, movement is forthcoming from the major conferences.

(04-17-2013 10:57 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 10:47 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I'm not so sure.

Big 10 will start negotiating a new deal to replace the current ABC/ESPN deal. Maybe they are done with Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland and maybe they aren't. If not they are going to need some lead time to get ready for those negotiations for the contract that expires after the 2016 season.

In the group of 5, MWC, CUSA, and MAC all have deals expiring after the 2016 year. There may be a pause but I wouldn't bank on it.

I think for Big Ten it wouldn't be necessarily this off season but moreso next one.

As far the group of 5, I think the new MWC deal was thru 2019 if memory serves me right with ESPN. Not sure if the CBS part got extended or not. But for those, if there's no movement up above them, they won't/can't do anything- they would lose BCS money by expanding more than 12.

The Big 10 doesn't really have a reason to be in a hurry. Their contract expires in July 2017, so they will begin negotiating in 2015. That's when they need to know their lineup. But the ACC schools, if they are moving, have an incentive to move this summer before the exit fee passes the 1 year hurdle and before the playoffs kick in. The SEC would also prefer any expansion to be in time for the 2014 kickoff of their network.

(04-17-2013 10:57 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 10:47 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I'm not so sure.

Big 10 will start negotiating a new deal to replace the current ABC/ESPN deal. Maybe they are done with Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland and maybe they aren't. If not they are going to need some lead time to get ready for those negotiations for the contract that expires after the 2016 season.

In the group of 5, MWC, CUSA, and MAC all have deals expiring after the 2016 year. There may be a pause but I wouldn't bank on it.

I think for Big Ten it wouldn't be necessarily this off season but moreso next one.

As far the group of 5, I think the new MWC deal was thru 2019 if memory serves me right with ESPN. Not sure if the CBS part got extended or not. But for those, if there's no movement up above them, they won't/can't do anything- they would lose BCS money by expanding more than 12.

On the gang of 5, their time to move was before the Sun Belt expanded. The window of advantage has passed. For example, ACK! takes Tulsa, MWC takes UTEP and Rice, CUSA takes NMSU, WKU, ULL, Ark. St. getting to 12, 14 and 14. Sun Belt is 5 and the remaining schools probably try to avoid being the last one on the ship and call up the MAC rather than expanding Sun Belt. Idaho and 2-4 Sun Belt schools get left as independents getting $200k a year from the playoffs. There's an extra $12-$15 million for the first 4 conferences as well as a somewhat better chance of getting that BCS bowl slot with the resulting publicity (and $6 million) for the conference.

So unless the Big 5 expand, the G of 5 isn't likely to do anything other than even out the numbers for the MAC and SB at 14 and 12.

This is quiet?

In just the FBS conferences.....

Maryland is fighting a $50 mill exit fee in court.

A new conference name was announced (The American) and Tulsa just moved to it in the past few weeks.

WKU just moved to CUSA

A new conference was formed (with Marquette, GTown, Nova, etc..) taking the Big East name and they just added Butler, Creighton and Xavier.

The Sun Belt just added App State and Georgia Southern...and brought in Idaho and New Mexico State.

And the trickle down effect is on-going of these moves....The A-10, the CAA, the Southern Conference and on and on...most of which will probably happen by late May.

It hasnt been since Thanksgiving the Louisville, Rutgers and Maryland moves.

If realignment plans are in the works, it is quiet time until this Maryland issue is solved in court. We will see just how quiet after that.

(04-17-2013 01:13 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  This is quiet?

In just the FBS conferences.....

Maryland is fighting a $50 mill exit fee in court.

A new conference name was announced (The American) and Tulsa just moved to it in the past few weeks.

WKU just moved to CUSA

A new conference was formed (with Marquette, GTown, Nova, etc..) taking the Big East name and they just added Butler, Creighton and Xavier.

The Sun Belt just added App State and Georgia Southern...and brought in Idaho and New Mexico State.

And the trickle down effect is on-going of these moves....The A-10, the CAA, the Southern Conference and on and on...most of which will probably happen by late May.

It hasnt been since Thanksgiving the Louisville, Rutgers and Maryland moves.

Even earlier than that, in Sept ND left for the ACC.

(04-17-2013 10:47 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I'm not so sure.

Big 10 will start negotiating a new deal to replace the current ABC/ESPN deal. Maybe they are done with Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland and maybe they aren't. If not they are going to need some lead time to get ready for those negotiations for the contract that expires after the 2016 season.

I wouldn't be so sure about the B1G renegotiating. I'm sure they will want to hear what Fox has to offer. Fox owns 49% of the B1G network and it was basically created when Delany stormed out of a meeting with ESPN. From the looks of it they are very happy with their relationship with Fox. With FS1 coming on air this year and their lack of concern about throwing money at big name properties (Pac, Big XII, UCF, MLB, NASCAR, Big East), you know they will make QUITE the generous offer to those mid-western fellas. If this is the case watch for the ESPN spin against the B1G. Not as bad like they have been since they still want people to tune into the Rose Bowl, but still some shots.

(04-17-2013 01:28 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  If realignment plans are in the works, it is quiet time until this Maryland issue is solved in court. We will see just how quiet after that.

I dont see this going to court. if i were a betting man id say they settle.

This doesn't feel like the calm after the storm. It doesn't even feel like the calm before the storm. It feels more like the eye of the hurricane where everyone rushes around quietly nailing down the loose details before the rest of the big blow finishes up.

Patience is a Virtue.

BBall realignment will continue for the next year or two with the shadow of further moves hanging over head until the Big East finalizes it's roster.

FB realignment will slow down and then out of the blue someone will make a move that will shock us at first then most will claim they saw it coming.

There are only 5 leagues who have no worry about being raided.

B1G
SEC
Pac 12
Big East (now that it doesn't sponsor FB)
Ivy

(04-17-2013 05:27 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  BBall realignment will continue for the next year or two with the shadow of further moves hanging over head until the Big East finalizes it's roster.

FB realignment will slow down and then out of the blue someone will make a move that will shock us at first then most will claim they saw it coming.

There are only 5 leagues who have no worry about being raided.

B1G
SEC
Pac 12
Big East (now that it doesn't sponsor FB)
Ivy

You can go ahead and claim to be shocked when it happens, but I won't and yes I will claim to have seen it coming because the individual moves arent what matter here, it is the end game. How we get there is still relatively up in the air but we Will get there. When it happens and when it becomes evident just how much it is going to help the Institutions taking part, then it will be obvious why some folks say they see it coming.

(04-17-2013 07:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 05:27 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  BBall realignment will continue for the next year or two with the shadow of further moves hanging over head until the Big East finalizes it's roster.

FB realignment will slow down and then out of the blue someone will make a move that will shock us at first then most will claim they saw it coming.

There are only 5 leagues who have no worry about being raided.

B1G
SEC
Pac 12
Big East (now that it doesn't sponsor FB)
Ivy

You can go ahead and claim to be shocked when it happens, but I won't and yes I will claim to have seen it coming because the individual moves arent what matter here, it is the end game. How we get there is still relatively up in the air but we Will get there. When it happens and when it becomes evident just how much it is going to help the Institutions taking part, then it will be obvious why some folks say they see it coming.

Oh i think moves will happen but everyone will be shocked by the team invited by the conference no one saw coming. How many people actually thought the B1G would invite Rutgers? Sure it was thrown around a little but mostly dismissed as just unrealistic.

Something crazy like the Pac 12 taking the 2 Kansas schools or the SEC taking Cincy and UConn or the B1G taking UK and Tenn.

(04-17-2013 08:44 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 05:27 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  BBall realignment will continue for the next year or two with the shadow of further moves hanging over head until the Big East finalizes it's roster.

FB realignment will slow down and then out of the blue someone will make a move that will shock us at first then most will claim they saw it coming.

There are only 5 leagues who have no worry about being raided.

B1G
SEC
Pac 12
Big East (now that it doesn't sponsor FB)
Ivy

You can go ahead and claim to be shocked when it happens, but I won't and yes I will claim to have seen it coming because the individual moves arent what matter here, it is the end game. How we get there is still relatively up in the air but we Will get there. When it happens and when it becomes evident just how much it is going to help the Institutions taking part, then it will be obvious why some folks say they see it coming.

Oh i think moves will happen but everyone will be shocked by the team invited by the conference no one saw coming. How many people actually thought the B1G would invite Rutgers? Sure it was thrown around a little but mostly dismissed as just unrealistic.

Something crazy like the Pac 12 taking the 2 Kansas schools or the SEC taking Cincy and UConn or the B1G taking UK and Tenn.

True, Rutgers was a surprise. I don't know about Cincy and UConn to the SEC. I remember that rumor but immediately thought it was bogus. The talk of the B1G taking UK and Tenn just doesnt make sense either but the idea of both Kansas schools ending up in a future form of the PAC...well....to me that doesn't seem as crazy.

(04-17-2013 09:46 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 08:44 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 05:27 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  BBall realignment will continue for the next year or two with the shadow of further moves hanging over head until the Big East finalizes it's roster.

FB realignment will slow down and then out of the blue someone will make a move that will shock us at first then most will claim they saw it coming.

There are only 5 leagues who have no worry about being raided.

B1G
SEC
Pac 12
Big East (now that it doesn't sponsor FB)
Ivy

You can go ahead and claim to be shocked when it happens, but I won't and yes I will claim to have seen it coming because the individual moves arent what matter here, it is the end game. How we get there is still relatively up in the air but we Will get there. When it happens and when it becomes evident just how much it is going to help the Institutions taking part, then it will be obvious why some folks say they see it coming.

Oh i think moves will happen but everyone will be shocked by the team invited by the conference no one saw coming. How many people actually thought the B1G would invite Rutgers? Sure it was thrown around a little but mostly dismissed as just unrealistic.

Something crazy like the Pac 12 taking the 2 Kansas schools or the SEC taking Cincy and UConn or the B1G taking UK and Tenn.

True, Rutgers was a surprise. I don't know about Cincy and UConn to the SEC. I remember that rumor but immediately thought it was bogus. The talk of the B1G taking UK and Tenn just doesnt make sense either but the idea of both Kansas schools ending up in a future form of the PAC...well....to me that doesn't seem as crazy.

I wasn't saying those would actually happen just examples of crazy moves that would shock everyone.