Time to cut a deal with the Chinese and take the Little Troll out before he starts something that causes immense damage to the region.

Lawmaker drops bombshell: North Korea may have nuclear missiles

An unclassified Pentagon report not yet released to the public suggests that North Korea can arm missiles with nuclear warheads, a lawmaker revealed Thursday.

The results of a classified Defense Intelligence Agency report indicate that “North Korea now has nuclear weapons capable of delivery by ballistic missiles.”

That was the bombshell out of a House Armed Services Committee hearing Thursday.

It came when Rep. Doug Lamborn ® of Colorado began quoting from what he said was an unclassified version of the DIA report, which has not yet been made public.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey, the nation’s top military officer, appeared caught off-guard. The Pentagon has in recent days sought to strike a balance between words of warning to the North and attempts to calm the situation. General Dempsey's reaction suggested that he was not pleased to have the DIA assessment made public, as it could further stoke anxieties over what is already a enormously tense international standoff.

Representative Lamborn read from the report toward the end of a defense budget hearing.

“They say, ‘DIA assess with moderate confidence the North currently has nuclear weapons capable of delivery by ballistic missiles. However, the reliability will be low.’ General, would you agree with that assessment by DIA?” he asked

“I can’t touch that one,” Dempsey answered.

The problem was that the report hasn’t been released, he said. “Some of it’s classified, some of it’s unclassified.”

Lamborn tried asking the question again, heedless of the sensitivity of the topic. “This is public; this is unclassified, so I can make it public.”

“And your question is do I agree with the DIA’s assessment?” Dempsey repeated.

“Yes,” Lamborn responded.

“Well,” Dempsey answered, “You said it’s not publicly released, so I choose not to comment on it.”

Only a day ago, Dempsey told reporters during a Pentagon briefing that “the proximity of the North Koreans to achieving a miniaturization of a nuclear device on a ballistic missile ... is a classified matter.”

If North Korea does have nuclear-armed missiles, it could strike South Korea, Japan, or US forces in Japan. It could perhaps also hit Guam, but Hawaii and the mainland US are out of the North's missile range, according to US intelligence estimates.

North Korea is expected to launch a missile soon as a show of defiance against the West. The administration said Thursday there is no indication that the missiles readied for launch are nuclear-armed, media reports said.

The exchange between Lamborn and Dempsey was not the only enlightening information about North Korea to emerge from Capitol HIll Thursday. At a different hearing, senior US intelligence officials were sharing some of the most telling details yet to emerge about the personality and motivations of the North's new young leader, Kim Jong-un.

They speculated on what, precisely, Mr. Kim’s reasons might be for what has largely been seen as a reckless ratcheting up of tensions in the region – behavior, officials divulged, that appears to be exasperating even Kim’s closest ally, China.

It seems, for starters, that Kim does not have a great deal of emotional intelligence, US officials indicated during testimony before the House Intelligence Committee.

“Unlike his father, I think he’s underestimating the Chinese frustration with him and their discomfiture with his behavior,” said James Clapper, the director of national intelligence.

“He impresses me as impetuous – not as inhibited as his father became about taking aggressive action,” he added. “The pattern with his father was to be provocative and then to sort of back off. We haven’t seen that yet with Kim.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/20...8page%29/2

I'm curious if a 30 year old could actually think like this or if he's being steered by his generals with old scores to settle? Is there anyone in that country advising him that he's risking the lives of everyone with his antics? If he's really calling the shots and his generals are as intelligent as we expect generals to be, then surely they'll put an end to this one way or another.....or so you would think.

Problem might be that nobody knows who all has their finger on the trigger. You take out Kim Jong un, someone else could launch.

In this situation you have to take them all down at once.

Im curious, has Obama even said anything about this?

(04-11-2013 08:33 PM)maximus Wrote:  Im curious, has Obama even said anything about this?

He's preparing his apology as we speak.

(04-11-2013 08:32 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Problem might be that nobody knows who all has their finger on the trigger. You take out Kim Jong un, someone else could launch.

In this situation you have to take them all down at once.

Is that possible? China would go apeshit, unless they're the ones doing it.

Way off topic but how does ones rep points go down by 10 if nothing happened and no one neg rep you?

(04-11-2013 08:45 PM)maximus Wrote:  Way off topic but how does ones rep points go down by 10 if nothing happened and no one neg rep you?

Maybe a user got deleted taking all the points he gave you with him.

(04-11-2013 09:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 08:45 PM)maximus Wrote:  Way off topic but how does ones rep points go down by 10 if nothing happened and no one neg rep you?

Maybe a user got deleted taking all the points he gave you with him.

Banned users show up with a line through their user name in the reputations list. If a user deletes his account I am not sure what happens to their granted repuations, but you can PM GTS for the answer.

(04-11-2013 08:36 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 08:32 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Problem might be that nobody knows who all has their finger on the trigger. You take out Kim Jong un, someone else could launch.

In this situation you have to take them all down at once.

Is that possible? China would go apeshit, unless they're the ones doing it.

The Chinese most likely have their people inside.

The last thing China wants is a refugee crisis and the South Korean Army set up 100 miles from the Yalu. That's what will happen if the Troll starts a War.

China just moved a Mech Infantry Corps up to the NK Border tonight.

(04-11-2013 09:09 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  China just moved a Mech Infantry Corps up to the NK Border tonight.

I can only guess about how that plays into this, your guess is probably much better. So what's your guess? To stop refugees or just make NK's leadership think about it for a while?

Don't worry. Obama will end up the hero here. Just watch.

(04-11-2013 08:10 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Time to cut a deal with the Chinese and take the Little Troll out before he starts something that causes immense damage to the region.

Lawmaker drops bombshell: North Korea may have nuclear missiles

An unclassified Pentagon report not yet released to the public suggests that North Korea can arm missiles with nuclear warheads, a lawmaker revealed Thursday.

The results of a classified Defense Intelligence Agency report indicate that “North Korea now has nuclear weapons capable of delivery by ballistic missiles.”

That was the bombshell out of a House Armed Services Committee hearing Thursday.

It came when Rep. Doug Lamborn ® of Colorado began quoting from what he said was an unclassified version of the DIA report, which has not yet been made public.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey, the nation’s top military officer, appeared caught off-guard. The Pentagon has in recent days sought to strike a balance between words of warning to the North and attempts to calm the situation. General Dempsey's reaction suggested that he was not pleased to have the DIA assessment made public, as it could further stoke anxieties over what is already a enormously tense international standoff.

Representative Lamborn read from the report toward the end of a defense budget hearing.

“They say, ‘DIA assess with moderate confidence the North currently has nuclear weapons capable of delivery by ballistic missiles. However, the reliability will be low.’ General, would you agree with that assessment by DIA?” he asked

“I can’t touch that one,” Dempsey answered.

The problem was that the report hasn’t been released, he said. “Some of it’s classified, some of it’s unclassified.”

Lamborn tried asking the question again, heedless of the sensitivity of the topic. “This is public; this is unclassified, so I can make it public.”

“And your question is do I agree with the DIA’s assessment?” Dempsey repeated.

“Yes,” Lamborn responded.

“Well,” Dempsey answered, “You said it’s not publicly released, so I choose not to comment on it.”

Only a day ago, Dempsey told reporters during a Pentagon briefing that “the proximity of the North Koreans to achieving a miniaturization of a nuclear device on a ballistic missile ... is a classified matter.”

If North Korea does have nuclear-armed missiles, it could strike South Korea, Japan, or US forces in Japan. It could perhaps also hit Guam, but Hawaii and the mainland US are out of the North's missile range, according to US intelligence estimates.

North Korea is expected to launch a missile soon as a show of defiance against the West. The administration said Thursday there is no indication that the missiles readied for launch are nuclear-armed, media reports said.

The exchange between Lamborn and Dempsey was not the only enlightening information about North Korea to emerge from Capitol HIll Thursday. At a different hearing, senior US intelligence officials were sharing some of the most telling details yet to emerge about the personality and motivations of the North's new young leader, Kim Jong-un.

They speculated on what, precisely, Mr. Kim’s reasons might be for what has largely been seen as a reckless ratcheting up of tensions in the region – behavior, officials divulged, that appears to be exasperating even Kim’s closest ally, China.

It seems, for starters, that Kim does not have a great deal of emotional intelligence, US officials indicated during testimony before the House Intelligence Committee.

“Unlike his father, I think he’s underestimating the Chinese frustration with him and their discomfiture with his behavior,” said James Clapper, the director of national intelligence.

“He impresses me as impetuous – not as inhibited as his father became about taking aggressive action,” he added. “The pattern with his father was to be provocative and then to sort of back off. We haven’t seen that yet with Kim.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/20...8page%29/2

Wow. Amazing how it is a warhawk rightwinger that leaks the info to make things a hell of a lot more complicated for the people working on plans and responses to NK. I really believe that the Republican party WANTS another war.

(04-11-2013 08:33 PM)maximus Wrote:  Im curious, has Obama even said anything about this?

I don't think he has said much-which I think is strategic.

(04-12-2013 02:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 08:10 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Time to cut a deal with the Chinese and take the Little Troll out before he starts something that causes immense damage to the region.

Lawmaker drops bombshell: North Korea may have nuclear missiles

An unclassified Pentagon report not yet released to the public suggests that North Korea can arm missiles with nuclear warheads, a lawmaker revealed Thursday.

The results of a classified Defense Intelligence Agency report indicate that “North Korea now has nuclear weapons capable of delivery by ballistic missiles.”

That was the bombshell out of a House Armed Services Committee hearing Thursday.

It came when Rep. Doug Lamborn ® of Colorado began quoting from what he said was an unclassified version of the DIA report, which has not yet been made public.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey, the nation’s top military officer, appeared caught off-guard. The Pentagon has in recent days sought to strike a balance between words of warning to the North and attempts to calm the situation. General Dempsey's reaction suggested that he was not pleased to have the DIA assessment made public, as it could further stoke anxieties over what is already a enormously tense international standoff.

Representative Lamborn read from the report toward the end of a defense budget hearing.

“They say, ‘DIA assess with moderate confidence the North currently has nuclear weapons capable of delivery by ballistic missiles. However, the reliability will be low.’ General, would you agree with that assessment by DIA?” he asked

“I can’t touch that one,” Dempsey answered.

The problem was that the report hasn’t been released, he said. “Some of it’s classified, some of it’s unclassified.”

Lamborn tried asking the question again, heedless of the sensitivity of the topic. “This is public; this is unclassified, so I can make it public.”

“And your question is do I agree with the DIA’s assessment?” Dempsey repeated.

“Yes,” Lamborn responded.

“Well,” Dempsey answered, “You said it’s not publicly released, so I choose not to comment on it.”

Only a day ago, Dempsey told reporters during a Pentagon briefing that “the proximity of the North Koreans to achieving a miniaturization of a nuclear device on a ballistic missile ... is a classified matter.”

If North Korea does have nuclear-armed missiles, it could strike South Korea, Japan, or US forces in Japan. It could perhaps also hit Guam, but Hawaii and the mainland US are out of the North's missile range, according to US intelligence estimates.

North Korea is expected to launch a missile soon as a show of defiance against the West. The administration said Thursday there is no indication that the missiles readied for launch are nuclear-armed, media reports said.

The exchange between Lamborn and Dempsey was not the only enlightening information about North Korea to emerge from Capitol HIll Thursday. At a different hearing, senior US intelligence officials were sharing some of the most telling details yet to emerge about the personality and motivations of the North's new young leader, Kim Jong-un.

They speculated on what, precisely, Mr. Kim’s reasons might be for what has largely been seen as a reckless ratcheting up of tensions in the region – behavior, officials divulged, that appears to be exasperating even Kim’s closest ally, China.

It seems, for starters, that Kim does not have a great deal of emotional intelligence, US officials indicated during testimony before the House Intelligence Committee.

“Unlike his father, I think he’s underestimating the Chinese frustration with him and their discomfiture with his behavior,” said James Clapper, the director of national intelligence.

“He impresses me as impetuous – not as inhibited as his father became about taking aggressive action,” he added. “The pattern with his father was to be provocative and then to sort of back off. We haven’t seen that yet with Kim.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/20...8page%29/2

Wow. Amazing how it is a warhawk rightwinger that leaks the info to make things a hell of a lot more complicated for the people working on plans and responses to NK. I really believe that the Republican party WANTS another war.

So it's ok for the White House to leak "classified" info and its not ok for the house to leak "unclassified" info?

You're more disturbed than I thought.

Honestly, I don't see Kimmy or his generals ever using this weapon. I'm pretty sure he knows that if he uses it, his time as dictator will end fairly quickly. This is all a ploy to remain relevant in current events. I seriously doubt Kimmy wants a war. I could be 100% wrong and he hits Guam tomorrow. I honestly tend to think that sanctions really feeds into his drive to make idle threats. Ending the sanctions, and working on trade relations may just be our best solution. I may be naive in saying that, but firing the first shot in yet another war isn't the greatest solution either.

Do not think ending sanctions or trade restrictions would be anything but giving into Un.
This guy is as stupid as this video.

The Sanctions imposed after the latest round of nuke and missile testing are causing "Lil Kim" to lash out.

1. North Korean Merchant ships can be stopped and boarded anywhere on the High Seas.

2. North Korean Banks are locked out of the international banking system.

3. Aircraft bound to/from North Korea may be forced to land and inspected.

The last sanction really hits Iran as well, since they can't fly material and technicians to North Korea to work on their joint nuke and missile projects.

If I had to bet money, I'd guess we'll still be talking about North Korean 50-100 years from now.

(04-12-2013 09:48 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  If I had to bet money, I'd guess we'll still be talking about North Korean 50-100 years from now.

We'll be reading about North Korea in history books to understand how South Korea became an island nation...