(04-07-2013 10:57 AM)southgeorgia Wrote:  i also remember a few years back that UNT had 2 or 3 thousand yard rushers. i remember watching them on tv and the commentators talking about it.

1. ASU
2. ULL
3. Troy

I think the Rajun Cajuns have a great brand and that will pay dividends for them long term.

That being said I think Ga State will benefit greatly from the rivalry with Southern if they stay in the Sun Belt. Potential is good for them to catch up in a hurry. With the strong financial backing they enjoy there's no way they become complaisant with the "likely" instate beat downs that are coming their way. GS though with much less financial support benefits most from the fertile recruiting grounds and tradition. Who knows where this goes but the future looks interesting. With Gstate and GS picking up I see Appy taking a hit recruiting and struggling to keep up. Much the same for the Florida Schools who are in over their heads for some time. Winning is the most valuable recruiting tool.

The Future:
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
ULL
USA
Texas State
ASU
Troy
ULM
JMU
NMSU
Idaho

With a slight variation, you can mix up the bottom 9 in any manner.

Oldyeller, you believe Troy's days of title contention are over now with the new additions?

Last 10 years
2003 to 2012

Arkansas State 59-62 five seasons of .500 or better, three bowls, won or shared three Sun Belt titles.
Louisiana 56-64 six seasons of .500 or better, two bowls, won or shared one title.
ULM 48-71 three seasons of .500 or better, one bowl, won or shared one title
MTSU 56-65 four seasons of .500 or better, three bowls, won or shared one title
UNT 38-82 two seasons of .500 or better, two bowls, won or shared two titles
Troy 66-57 seven seasons of .500 or better, five bowls, won or shared five titles

FIU and FAU only played FBS schedules 8 years. Their 8 year results
2005-2012
FAU 35-62 two seasons of .500 or better, two bowls, won or shared one title
FIU 32-65 two seasons of .500 or better, two bowls, won or shared one title

(04-07-2013 11:48 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 10:57 AM)southgeorgia Wrote:  i also remember a few years back that UNT had 2 or 3 thousand yard rushers. i remember watching them on tv and the commentators talking about it.

1. ASU
2. ULL
3. Troy

I think the Rajun Cajuns have a great brand and that will pay dividends for them long term.

That being said I think Ga State will benefit greatly from the rivalry with Southern if they stay in the Sun Belt. Potential is good for them to catch up in a hurry. With the strong financial backing they enjoy there's no way they become complaisant with the "likely" instate beat downs that are coming their way. GS though with much less financial support benefits most from the fertile recruiting grounds and tradition. Who knows where this goes but the future looks interesting. With Gstate and GS picking up I see Appy taking a hit recruiting and struggling to keep up. Much the same for the Florida Schools who are in over their heads for some time. Winning is the most valuable recruiting tool.

The Future:
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
ULL
USA
Texas State
ASU
Troy
ULM
JMU
NMSU
Idaho

With a slight variation, you can mix up the bottom 9 in any manner.

No real basis for your theory that App State will be hurt in this continuing rivalry. Why would it?

(04-07-2013 12:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Last 10 years
2003 to 2012

Arkansas State 59-62 five seasons of .500 or better, three bowls, won or shared three Sun Belt titles.
Louisiana 56-64 six seasons of .500 or better, two bowls, won or shared one title.
ULM 48-71 three seasons of .500 or better, one bowl, won or shared one title
MTSU 56-65 four seasons of .500 or better, three bowls, won or shared one title
UNT 38-82 two seasons of .500 or better, two bowls, won or shared two titles
Troy 66-57 seven seasons of .500 or better, five bowls, won or shared five titles

FIU and FAU only played FBS schedules 8 years. Their 8 year results
2005-2012
FAU 35-62 two seasons of .500 or better, two bowls, won or shared one title
FIU 32-65 two seasons of .500 or better, two bowls, won or shared one title

Just a trivia point in case someone on this board isn't aware: FIU's ONLY two seasons of success (> .500) were the two seasons while Scott Satterfield was their offensive coordinator. Guess who the new HC at Appalachian is. GO APPS!!!! Go SBC!!!!

Best three programs w/o looking at any schedule results would be

Troy
Ark St
ULM

(04-07-2013 12:15 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:  Best three programs w/o looking at any schedule results would be

Troy
Ark St
ULM

ULM? We own that commuter school.

(04-07-2013 12:00 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Oldyeller, you believe Troy's days of title contention are over now with the new additions?

No but with the proliferation of so many new programs in the state of Georgia there's likely going to be some negative impact in surrounding states. Much like Appy. Personally I would hate to see that for our two most significant rivals but it is what it is.

(04-07-2013 12:34 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 12:00 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Oldyeller, you believe Troy's days of title contention are over now with the new additions?

No but with the proliferation of so many new programs in the state of Georgia there's likely going to be some negative impact in surrounding states. Much like Appy. Personally I would hate to see that for our two most significant rivals but it is what it is.

Or, maybe App State just walks in and any of those recruits you covet so much will sign with us. After all, if they sign with GSU they may be confused too much.

(04-07-2013 09:21 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 12:14 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 12:11 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 12:05 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-06-2013 09:40 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Before we joined?

Troy was top dog. All the way. No one was even close.

After that, I would have said (of the remaining teams) Louisiana and ULM. To be honest, I had no idea there was even a western kentucky. And Arkansas State (I thought) was FCS.

Since joining the SBC, I would have to say top three teams are:

stAte, Louisiana, and then ULM. Troy being close at fourth.

Yikes!

A couple years ago we went to Illinois for Freeze's first game as head coach, and an SB Nation writer assumed we were a middle of the pack FCS school. That was the worst I remember it.

I am not surprised Troy is getting named the most. In the case of App and Georgia Southern, Troy is a well remembered FCS team that I am sure many fans pointed too. It wouldn't shock me for them to believe Troy to be the best.

The ULM comments came out of left field though. That Arkansas win must have really pushed them farther than I thought.

Well over a 10 year period we have been the best... SBC football didn't start 2
Years ago.

Over 10 years it would be:

1) Troy
2) North Texas
3) MTSU
4) Arkansas State

* You might could argue flipping MTSU and North Texas. MTSU has the second most wins in conference, but UNTs run was extraordinary. UNT is known for having what is very close to the sunbelt's best run and what was very close to the sunbelt's worst run (FIU might have had the worst stretch, WKU was bad, but not as bad as those were). I believe Troy is the only one over .500 since going FBS.

Actually over the past ten years it would be Troy, Louisiana, MTSU, and stAte in that order according to winning percentage.

In conference? Maybe its changes recently, but in 2010/2011 it wasnt even close, MTSU was the clear second behind Troy. It's really not a knock against UL, you guys have a great program.

Hard to even think of MTSU since they are basically gone.
Imagine a lot of posters felt that way.

What this thread illustrates is how little these folks have paid attention to the Sun Belt.

ULM mentioned multiple times?

I'm guessing due to their wins over a mediocre Bama team in 2007 and a bad Arkansas team in 2012 is why, but by nearly any metric they've been the worst program in the conference. They have one winning season since moving to FBS in 1994, which was last season and is good enough for last among Sun Belt programs. They have one co-championship which came in the only season in which there was a three way tie and one of only two seasons in which 2 loss teams won the title and one of two teams to share the title with an overall losing record(the other UNT '01 in the leagues first season when only six conference games were played).

Their record against other members in conference games:

Arkansas State: 4-8
FAU: 7-2
FIU: 6-3
Louisiana: 5-7
Middle Tennessee: 3-8
North Texas: 7-5
Troy: 4-5
Western Kentucky: 3-1

They do hold head to head record advantages over FAU, FIU, and UNT, but all have more winning seasons, bowl games, and titles. They hold a head to head advantage over WKU, but WKU has more winning seasons and as many bowl trips in four seasons of FBS as ULM has in 19 seasons of FBS.

(04-07-2013 01:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  What this thread illustrates is how little these folks have paid attention to the Sun Belt.

ULM mentioned multiple times?

I'm guessing due to their wins over a mediocre Bama team in 2007 and a bad Arkansas team in 2012 is why, but by nearly any metric they've been the worst program in the conference. They have one winning season since moving to FBS in 1994, which was last season and is good enough for last among Sun Belt programs. They have one
co-championship which came in the only season in which there was a three way tie and one of only two seasons in which 2 loss teams won the title and one of two teams to share the title with an overall losing record(the other UNT '01 in the leagues first season when only six conference games were played).

Their record against other members in conference games:

Arkansas State: 4-8
FAU: 7-2
FIU: 6-3
Louisiana: 5-7
Middle Tennessee:

A few months back I was speaking to a few friends ,who are UGA fans, about our possible move to the SBC. Their immediate reaction "who is in that conference?", once I reminded them they said "oh those teams suck". Really couldn't tell me why they "sucked", even after a season where Arkansas and Kentucky got upset.

The life of a mid major in SEC country.

Those SEC members have their noses so far up in the air they probably couldn't
tell you all the ACC members.

(04-07-2013 01:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  What this thread illustrates is how little these folks have paid attention to the Sun Belt.

ULM mentioned multiple times?

I'm guessing due to their wins over a mediocre Bama team in 2007 and a bad Arkansas team in 2012 is why, but by nearly any metric they've been the worst program in the conference. They have one winning season since moving to FBS in 1994, which was last season and is good enough for last among Sun Belt programs. They have one
co-championship which came in the only season in which there was a three way tie and one of only two seasons in which 2 loss teams won the title and one of two teams to share the title with an overall losing record(the other UNT '01 in the leagues first season when only six conference games were played).

Their record against other members in conference games:

Arkansas State: 4-8
FAU: 7-2
FIU: 6-3
Louisiana: 5-7
Middle Tennessee: 3-8
North Texas: 7-5
Troy: 4-5
Western Kentucky: 3-1

They do hold head to head record advantages over FAU, FIU, and UNT, but all have more winning seasons, bowl games, and titles. They hold a head to head advantage over WKU, but WKU has more winning seasons and as many bowl trips in four seasons of FBS as ULM has in 19 seasons of FBS.

I agree about ULM being listed really high, I don't get it either. But I wouldn't say they were the worst either. There might be two or three teams that could vie for that title.

(04-07-2013 01:46 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 01:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  What this thread illustrates is how little these folks have paid attention to the Sun Belt.

ULM mentioned multiple times?

I'm guessing due to their wins over a mediocre Bama team in 2007 and a bad Arkansas team in 2012 is why, but by nearly any metric they've been the worst program in the conference. They have one winning season since moving to FBS in 1994, which was last season and is good enough for last among Sun Belt programs. They have one
co-championship which came in the only season in which there was a three way tie and one of only two seasons in which 2 loss teams won the title and one of two teams to share the title with an overall losing record(the other UNT '01 in the leagues first season when only six conference games were played).

Their record against other members in conference games:

Arkansas State: 4-8
FAU: 7-2
FIU: 6-3
Louisiana: 5-7
Middle Tennessee: 3-8
North Texas: 7-5
Troy: 4-5
Western Kentucky: 3-1

They do hold head to head record advantages over FAU, FIU, and UNT, but all have more winning seasons, bowl games, and titles. They hold a head to head advantage over WKU, but WKU has more winning seasons and as many bowl trips in four seasons of FBS as ULM has in 19 seasons of FBS.

I agree about ULM being listed really high, I don't get it either. But I wouldn't say they were the worst either. There might be two or three teams that could vie for that title.

There's no question in my mind that ULM has had the worst program since the inception of football in the Belt. FAU, FIU, WKU and UNT have all had really rough stretches, but they also have all accomplished more than ULM.

Over the past 12 years since 2001 this is the order of best Football programs over that span IMO.

1. TROY ( 5 SBC Champs, and 5 Bowls....more than anyone else and only 4 losing seasons in that 12 year span. Multiple OOC wins and taking many BCS boys to the wire)

3. ASU ( Recent success places them just bairly above MTSU, 2 SBC Champs 1 three way tie Champ and 3 bowls)

2. MTSU ( 3 Bowls and 2 Champs has been more consistent than ASU but ASU has more SBC Titles)

3. UL ( 2 Bowls in which they won and 1 3way SBC Title good for 3rd)

4. UNT ( Their poor history since 2004 has stuck them way down here but had a good run in a weak conference, Didnt do well in bowls. 4 SBC Titles and 4 bowls)

7. FIU (Poor history to start then got 1 shared SBC title with TROY and 2 bowls. lost one bowl and won another)

8. FAU ( 2 SBC bowls in which they won both of them and 1 Shared SBC championship. Weak history in the beginning but puts them just above WKU who also had a weak start. Poor preformance here recently places them just below FIU)

9. WKU ( 2 winning seasons since they moved to the SBC in football, was Winless for 2 or 3 years. has 1 bowl to show for and lost. 0 SBC titles)

10. ULM ( has 1 three way shared SBC title and 1 bowl to show for in which they were blown out. last year was a good year but that was about the only winning season they have had in a LONG time.)

12. NMSU ( 1 winning season from 2001-2004 in the SBC no bowls or SBC titles)

13. Utah State ( in the conference from 2003-2004 No winning seasons)

14. Idaho ( in the conference from 2001-2004 and no winning seasons)

15. USA (young program first year last year. Lots to prove)

(04-07-2013 02:09 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Over the past 12 years since 2001 this is the order of best Football programs over that span IMO.

1. TROY ( 5 SBC Champs, and 5 Bowls....more than anyone else and only 4 losing seasons in that 12 year span. Multiple OOC wins and taking many BCS boys to the wire)

3. ASU ( Recent success places them just bairly above MTSU, 2 SBC Champs 1 three way tie Champ and 3 bowls)

2. MTSU ( 3 Bowls and 2 Champs has been more consistent than ASU but ASU has more SBC Titles)

3. UL ( 2 Bowls in which they won and 1 3way SBC Title good for 3rd)

4. UNT ( Their poor history since 2004 has stuck them way down here but had a good run in a weak conference, Didnt do well in bowls. 4 SBC Titles and 4 bowls)

7. FIU (Poor history to start then got 1 shared SBC title with TROY and 2 bowls. lost one bowl and won another)

8. FAU ( 2 SBC bowls in which they won both of them and 1 Shared SBC championship. Weak history in the beginning but puts them just above WKU who also had a weak start)

9. WKU ( 2 winning seasons since they moved to the SBC in football, was Winless for 2 or 3 years. has 1 bowl to show for and lost. 0 SBC titles)

10. ULM ( has 1 three way shared SBC title and 1 bowl to show for in which they were blown out. last year was a good year but that was about the only winning season they have had in a LONG time.)

11. USA (young program first year last year. Lots to prove)

aye do, somethings wrong with your numbers. If we include USA in the 12 year tally, we should include Idaho, NMSU, Utah State (?) and whoever else was formerly in the belt, right? Where would they fit in?

(04-07-2013 12:06 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 11:48 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 10:57 AM)southgeorgia Wrote:  i also remember a few years back that UNT had 2 or 3 thousand yard rushers. i remember watching them on tv and the commentators talking about it.

1. ASU
2. ULL
3. Troy

I think the Rajun Cajuns have a great brand and that will pay dividends for them long term.

That being said I think Ga State will benefit greatly from the rivalry with Southern if they stay in the Sun Belt. Potential is good for them to catch up in a hurry. With the strong financial backing they enjoy there's no way they become complaisant with the "likely" instate beat downs that are coming their way. GS though with much less financial support benefits most from the fertile recruiting grounds and tradition. Who knows where this goes but the future looks interesting. With Gstate and GS picking up I see Appy taking a hit recruiting and struggling to keep up. Much the same for the Florida Schools who are in over their heads for some time. Winning is the most valuable recruiting tool.

The Future:
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
ULL
USA
Texas State
ASU
Troy
ULM
JMU
NMSU
Idaho

With a slight variation, you can mix up the bottom 9 in any manner.

No real basis for your theory that App State will be hurt in this continuing rivalry. Why would it?

Take the state of Florida for example. In the "new era" of college football the state has been super productive year in and year out between FSU, UF, and Miami. Not so much anymore with the additions of UCF, SF, FIU, and FAU. Given that the state of Georgia is 25 years behind but making ground as we speak who suffers in the short term. GState and GS not likely. Most likely in the beginning it will be mid majors in the region. Georgia will likely make the same mistake as Florida in catching up but hopefully we'll be so far ahead by that time it'll have little impact. Hopefully we'll have the same trajectory as UCF or USF. It's coming that's for certain. Take a look at the up and coming and the start ups in Georgia at the moment.

(04-07-2013 02:27 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 02:09 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Over the past 12 years since 2001 this is the order of best Football programs over that span IMO.

1. TROY ( 5 SBC Champs, and 5 Bowls....more than anyone else and only 4 losing seasons in that 12 year span. Multiple OOC wins and taking many BCS boys to the wire)

3. ASU ( Recent success places them just bairly above MTSU, 2 SBC Champs 1 three way tie Champ and 3 bowls)

2. MTSU ( 3 Bowls and 2 Champs has been more consistent than ASU but ASU has more SBC Titles)

3. UL ( 2 Bowls in which they won and 1 3way SBC Title good for 3rd)

4. UNT ( Their poor history since 2004 has stuck them way down here but had a good run in a weak conference, Didnt do well in bowls. 4 SBC Titles and 4 bowls)

7. FIU (Poor history to start then got 1 shared SBC title with TROY and 2 bowls. lost one bowl and won another)

8. FAU ( 2 SBC bowls in which they won both of them and 1 Shared SBC championship. Weak history in the beginning but puts them just above WKU who also had a weak start)

9. WKU ( 2 winning seasons since they moved to the SBC in football, was Winless for 2 or 3 years. has 1 bowl to show for and lost. 0 SBC titles)

10. ULM ( has 1 three way shared SBC title and 1 bowl to show for in which they were blown out. last year was a good year but that was about the only winning season they have had in a LONG time.)

11. USA (young program first year last year. Lots to prove)

aye do, somethings wrong with your numbers. If we include USA in the 12 year tally, we should include Idaho, NMSU, Utah State (?) and whoever else was formerly in the belt, right? Where would they fit in?

good point...and I fixed it. 1-15