We'll have to buy the island to see what's in it.

(04-04-2013 12:41 PM)Smaug Wrote:  We'll have to buy the island to see what's in it.

Plus a few more so we'll really have 57 states.

China is always going off on North Korea, but when it gets down to it they just do not want a united Korea with US presence on the border, same as in 1950-53. Un has been told this is the way to go to get more food for NK to prevent riots and even more mass starvations, all the while with them spending what money they have on rocket development and nuclear research.

(04-04-2013 12:56 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  China is always going off on North Korea, but when it gets down to it they just do not want a united Korea with US presence on the border, same as in 1950-53. Un has been told this is the way to go to get more food for NK to prevent riots and even more mass starvations, all the while with them spending what money they have on rocket development and nuclear research.

Would a united Korea need a US presence?

(04-04-2013 12:20 PM)Crebman Wrote:  I wonder how we'll have coffee now that snow season is over? I haven't been able to have coffee for awhile now. Stanley's in Minnesota, maybe he can send me some - there is snow in Minnesota 12 months a year.

I'll let you know that it's a balmy 39 right now, and not snowing. Yet. That's scheduled for early tomorrow morning. According to the always wrong weatherman, we're in a for delicious mix of gooey slush and moist icy, snow.

Then it's snow coffee for all!

(04-04-2013 12:58 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 12:56 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  China is always going off on North Korea, but when it gets down to it they just do not want a united Korea with US presence on the border, same as in 1950-53. Un has been told this is the way to go to get more food for NK to prevent riots and even more mass starvations, all the while with them spending what money they have on rocket development and nuclear research.

Would a united Korea need a US presence?

The Korean people, at least at first, would mostly want us to stay. They never want to be taken over by China. That would probably not happen, but they have a long history of worrying about that. Would mainly be concerned right after it happened, not long term. US should assure China that we would be leaving soon and get the heck out as soon as things stabilized.
If war broke out would think that China would still back North Korea to some extent. Giving the US a black eye or hard time would work to their desires, and pump China up as a world power. I just do not buy the idea that because the Chinese have so many investments in the US that they would just stand idly by and watch.

(04-04-2013 12:58 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 12:56 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  China is always going off on North Korea, but when it gets down to it they just do not want a united Korea with US presence on the border, same as in 1950-53. Un has been told this is the way to go to get more food for NK to prevent riots and even more mass starvations, all the while with them spending what money they have on rocket development and nuclear research.

Would a united Korea need a US presence?

Bingo. If China would accept a unified democratic Korea there would be no need for US troops in the area. Most could be brought home or re-stationed to Japan and Guam. The hang up is whether or not China is open to a democratic success in a unified Korea. I have a feeling China would not be as opposed to losing it's communist ally now that's China's economy is (so far as were told) doing as well as it is.

What China wants is stability. The will cut North Korea loose to keep it.

(04-04-2013 01:10 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 12:58 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 12:56 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  China is always going off on North Korea, but when it gets down to it they just do not want a united Korea with US presence on the border, same as in 1950-53. Un has been told this is the way to go to get more food for NK to prevent riots and even more mass starvations, all the while with them spending what money they have on rocket development and nuclear research.

Would a united Korea need a US presence?

Bingo. If China would accept a unified democratic Korea there would be no need for US troops in the area. Most could be brought home or re-stationed to Japan and Guam. The hang up is whether or not China is open to a democratic success in a unified Korea. I have a feeling China would not be as opposed to losing it's communist ally now that's China's economy is (so far as were told) doing as well as it is.

That would be the best bet. Negotiate with China to get involved with us, turn the North over to the South, and we leave Japan and the Korean peninsula in exchange for them dropping their claims to Taiwan.

If China has lost their phobia about the US they would cut North Korea, but not if it would make them weak or appear they are giving into US pressure. Some agreement could probably be worked out with China, South Korea and the US. However, doubt North Korea would ever give into it until their upscale leadership and military found it the only way. They would truly have to be desperate. Probably best bet is assurances of a lavish life style for North Korean leaders and top military that they would find hard to pass up.

(04-04-2013 01:14 PM)Smaug Wrote:  What China wants is stability. The will cut North Korea loose to keep it.

I agree...There is nothing of value to the Chinese now in NK. I hope we start putting some pressure on them about this. Their economy is directly tied to the US now. We have some leverage. All it would take is some tariff talk. Hopefully they are smart enough to be the ones to put a stop to this little bad haircutted fool. I think the 3 stooges must be popular in NK. His doo looks like Moe.

I thought we starved those ******* to death?

When do I get my hand out of North Korean coffee? I already drank my one cup of snow coffee today.

Guess I've been demoted with absolutely no warning whatsoever. Later folks. Deleting tab.

(04-04-2013 04:05 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 02:34 AM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  Well, I can report that I spent the last 3 days on Guam, and no one there give 2 shi+s about all this crap going on...

We are adding a new missile defense system in Guam. Were you there to scout sites?

No, I was there to get a friggin decent steak!! Can't get good steak on Saipan. :)
Guam has the usual squawking talking heads on TV. Those of us here in the Marianas are just so used to "Best Korea" that we kinda blow them off. When the "Worst Korea" tourists get antsy, then we will pay attention. Right now they and the Chinese, and Filipinos are still coming in droves and having their anchor babies on Saipan and Guam.
As much as I ate at the Churrasco Brazilian meat restaurant, I may have tipped over Guam on my own if I had gone out into the lagoon.

(04-04-2013 08:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Lil Kim doesn't have the savy his old man did at extorting aid from the rest of the world. His downfal will be pissing off China. I think the US is being prudent and smart by continuing to step up the pressure during yhe planned drills. NK is isolating itself from its only powerful ally by not considering the potential impact on China. Its only a matter of time before China is no longer supporting NK. I really think that if the US is on the sidelines of a NK-SK conflict China will likewise remain more or less neutral.

I'm not so sure about this 200... On Almond in the Morning, they had Jim Talent on, (and apparently he has some pull in foreign diplomatic circles) and his entire comment was on "Appeasement" with Lil Kimmie... I wanted to throw my radio out the window.

Although he did say that if we even "threatened" to put more ships in the Pacific, China would back us on it. (Again, they're not enamored with fruit-loop Un at all in the Chinese political circles).

(04-04-2013 10:53 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 10:50 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 10:16 AM)Smaug Wrote:  It's got to suck to be a North Korean.

What's tragic is that they probably don't know it sucks to be them. They are so shielded from the outside world they probably don't know that life is any different anywhere other than what they're living.

even worse, the poor sob's probably think they have it better than everybody else.

The North Koreans supposedly believe that the Chinese are the happiest people in the world. North Koreans come in second, and Cubans are 3rd. Iranians and Venezuelans round out the top 5. South Korea comes in at #152, and the USA is dead last, at #203.

http://behindthewall.nbcnews.com/_news/2...an-america

(04-04-2013 10:55 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 08:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Lil Kim doesn't have the savy his old man did at extorting aid from the rest of the world. His downfal will be pissing off China. I think the US is being prudent and smart by continuing to step up the pressure during yhe planned drills. NK is isolating itself from its only powerful ally by not considering the potential impact on China. Its only a matter of time before China is no longer supporting NK. I really think that if the US is on the sidelines of a NK-SK conflict China will likewise remain more or less neutral.

I'm not so sure about this 200... On Almond in the Morning, they had Jim Talent on, (and apparently he has some pull in foreign diplomatic circles) and his entire comment was on "Appeasement" with Lil Kimmie... I wanted to throw my radio out the window.

Although he did say that if we even "threatened" to put more ships in the Pacific, China would back us on it. (Again, they're not enamored with fruit-loop Un at all in the Chinese political circles).

This is the first time China has really been on the side of the US and SK when dealing with NK. I don't necessarily think the US should do anything to provoke a response from NK, but backing down as it appears is happening is not the right action either. NK by itself is of no serious threat to the US. Maintain a strong presence, finish the SK drills as planned and shore up defenses in Japan and Guam. If lil kim makes a too much of an aggressive move the US and SK will have at least partial backing from China.

The only reason lil Kim may get some sort of extortion-like aid from the US this time is that this administration is a bunch of *******.

(04-04-2013 05:39 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Guess I've been demoted with absolutely no warning whatsoever. Later folks. Deleting tab.

Rebel come back. I can't go through my days without your wild controversial articles to rant about. Seriously. (Feel like I am yelling for Ole Yaller....but am serious, gonna really miss you if you are gone for good.)

Posted this on the other North Korean thread. Figured some of you may not notice two threads.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-05/so...rt/3936064