http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2003477

Per USA Today's Nicole Auerbach.

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday.

Just so everyone knows that we are in fact the big east and not some new league.

(03-20-2013 03:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2003477

Per USA Today's Nicole Auerbach.

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday.

Just so everyone knows that we are in fact the big east and not some new league.

Of the 16 teams from the BE, 7 remain. Most of the traditional powers from the BE are gone to greener pastures. XU, Creighton and Butler are nice additions but don't come anywhere near making up for the loss of UConn, UofL, Pitt, Cuse, WVU.

Keep the name, keep the records, the new BE is still a shell of the old one.

(03-20-2013 03:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2003477

Per USA Today's Nicole Auerbach.

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday.

Just so everyone knows that we are in fact the big east and not some new league.

Of the 16 teams from the BE, 7 remain. Most of the traditional powers from the BE are gone to greener pastures. XU, Creighton and Butler are nice additions but don't come anywhere near making up for the loss of UConn, UofL, Pitt, Cuse, WVU.

Keep the name, keep the records, the new BE is still a shell of the old one.

Like we told you, we were here before you got here, we'll be here after you're gone. And now you're gone.

(03-20-2013 03:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2003477

Per USA Today's Nicole Auerbach.

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday.

Just so everyone knows that we are in fact the big east and not some new league.

Of the 16 teams from the BE, 7 remain. Most of the traditional powers from the BE are gone to greener pastures. XU, Creighton and Butler are nice additions but don't come anywhere near making up for the loss of UConn, UofL, Pitt, Cuse, WVU.

Keep the name, keep the records, the new BE is still a shell of the old one.

Like we told you, we were here before you got here, we'll be here after you're gone. And now you're gone.

Don't like the message, shoot the messenger.
Nothing written was untrue. The NBE is a shell of the BE.
4-5 tourney berths likely versus 8-9 in the past.

I have always been in favor of the C7 keeping the name, the records and MSG. They deserve those things, IMHO.

Also, I don't believe that the Big East is suddenly going to regress into becoming the Atlantic 10 2.0 any more than the America 12 will become Conference USA 2.0. I think both leagues will be just fine, I really do.

Now, will the Big East likely ever again be what it once was - where it was CLEARLY the best basketball league in America year after year after year? Do I envision them sending 11 teams to the NCAAs or providing three of the Final Four? Truthfully, no, I think those days are very likely over for the Big East. However I still think the Big East has a LOT of cache and I fully expect it to be among a handful of the best basketball leagues in the country in most years.

(03-20-2013 03:59 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2003477

Per USA Today's Nicole Auerbach.

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday.

Just so everyone knows that we are in fact the big east and not some new league.

Of the 16 teams from the BE, 7 remain. Most of the traditional powers from the BE are gone to greener pastures. XU, Creighton and Butler are nice additions but don't come anywhere near making up for the loss of UConn, UofL, Pitt, Cuse, WVU.

Keep the name, keep the records, the new BE is still a shell of the old one.

Like we told you, we were here before you got here, we'll be here after you're gone. And now you're gone.

Don't like the message, shoot the messenger.
Nothing written was untrue. The NBE is a shell of the BE.
4-5 tourney berths likely versus 8-9 in the past.

Really? Our 10 team league won't get 8 or 9 bids?!?! Well that's news to me!

Johnnies, just make the NCAA tourney, ok.

(03-20-2013 04:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Johnnies, just make the NCAA tourney, ok.

Next year. Bank on it.

(03-20-2013 04:32 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 04:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Johnnies, just make the NCAA tourney, ok.

Next year. Bank on it.

I really thought Johnnies were going to get it done this year.

What happened with De Harrison? Why was he suspended?
Too bad Mo left early last year, he was really good.

(03-20-2013 04:52 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 04:32 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 04:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Johnnies, just make the NCAA tourney, ok.

Next year. Bank on it.

I really thought Johnnies were going to get it done this year.

What happened with De Harrison? Why was he suspended?
Too bad Mo left early last year, he was really good.

Not one big thing. He didn't get in trouble with the law or anything. Just a bunch if little stuff over and over.

Next year this team will be nasty.

(03-20-2013 04:02 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I have always been in favor of the C7 keeping the name, the records and MSG. They deserve those things, IMHO.

As someone who was a fan of the original BE and not the bloated monstrosity it had become it will be nice to see it continue on in some form. I am happy for those schools keeping the name and MSG. In regards to the records I don't see the point in keeping them instead of starting with a clean slate.

(03-20-2013 03:59 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2003477

Per USA Today's Nicole Auerbach.

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday.

Just so everyone knows that we are in fact the big east and not some new league.

Of the 16 teams from the BE, 7 remain. Most of the traditional powers from the BE are gone to greener pastures. XU, Creighton and Butler are nice additions but don't come anywhere near making up for the loss of UConn, UofL, Pitt, Cuse, WVU.

Keep the name, keep the records, the new BE is still a shell of the old one.

Like we told you, we were here before you got here, we'll be here after you're gone. And now you're gone.

Don't like the message, shoot the messenger.
Nothing written was untrue. The NBE is a shell of the BE.
4-5 tourney berths likely versus 8-9 in the past.

Its better. It got rid of the schools who never had good years in basketball. And I imagine its pretty tough to recruit if your are the 13th place team in the league. Creighton and Xavier are the only ones who haven't been to the final 4.

(03-20-2013 05:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:59 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2003477

Per USA Today's Nicole Auerbach.

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday.

Just so everyone knows that we are in fact the big east and not some new league.

Of the 16 teams from the BE, 7 remain. Most of the traditional powers from the BE are gone to greener pastures. XU, Creighton and Butler are nice additions but don't come anywhere near making up for the loss of UConn, UofL, Pitt, Cuse, WVU.

Keep the name, keep the records, the new BE is still a shell of the old one.

Like we told you, we were here before you got here, we'll be here after you're gone. And now you're gone.

Don't like the message, shoot the messenger.
Nothing written was untrue. The NBE is a shell of the BE.
4-5 tourney berths likely versus 8-9 in the past.

Its better. It got rid of the schools who never had good years in basketball. And I imagine its pretty tough to recruit if your are the 13th place team in the league. Creighton and Xavier are the only ones who haven't been to the final 4.

Keep telling yourself it's better. No one believes the NBE is better than the old one. It'll be a good conference but not great like the BE. The new additions (XU, Creighton, Butler) do not exceed nor even equal the gravitas that left or is leaving (UofL, CUSE, Pitt, WVU, UConn, UC).

Those 7 schools that are no longer part of the BE equal 8 national championships and 21 Final Fours in men's basketball only. The additions XU, Creighton, Butler have 1 Final Four between the three of them.

(03-20-2013 05:58 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 05:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:59 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Of the 16 teams from the BE, 7 remain. Most of the traditional powers from the BE are gone to greener pastures. XU, Creighton and Butler are nice additions but don't come anywhere near making up for the loss of UConn, UofL, Pitt, Cuse, WVU.

Keep the name, keep the records, the new BE is still a shell of the old one.

Like we told you, we were here before you got here, we'll be here after you're gone. And now you're gone.

Don't like the message, shoot the messenger.
Nothing written was untrue. The NBE is a shell of the BE.
4-5 tourney berths likely versus 8-9 in the past.

Its better. It got rid of the schools who never had good years in basketball. And I imagine its pretty tough to recruit if your are the 13th place team in the league. Creighton and Xavier are the only ones who haven't been to the final 4.

Keep telling yourself it's better. No one believes the NBE is better than the old one. It'll be a good conference but not great like the BE. The new additions (XU, Creighton, Butler) do not exceed nor even equal the gravitas that left or is leaving (UofL, CUSE, Pitt, WVU, UConn, UC).

Those 7 schools that are no longer part of the BE equal 8 national championships and 21 Final Fours in men's basketball only. The additions XU, Creighton, Butler have 1 Final Four between the three of them.

Now that these 3 schools are in the Big East, their recruiting will go up substantially and they will be players on the national scene even morese than they have been in the past.

For Cincy, this realignment circus has been a double body blow. The C7 won't be playing Cincy, but crosstown rival Xavier will. Cincy goes to Memphis; Xavier now goes to Madison Square Garden.

(03-20-2013 05:58 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 05:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:59 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Of the 16 teams from the BE, 7 remain. Most of the traditional powers from the BE are gone to greener pastures. XU, Creighton and Butler are nice additions but don't come anywhere near making up for the loss of UConn, UofL, Pitt, Cuse, WVU.

Keep the name, keep the records, the new BE is still a shell of the old one.

Like we told you, we were here before you got here, we'll be here after you're gone. And now you're gone.

Don't like the message, shoot the messenger.
Nothing written was untrue. The NBE is a shell of the BE.
4-5 tourney berths likely versus 8-9 in the past.

Its better. It got rid of the schools who never had good years in basketball. And I imagine its pretty tough to recruit if your are the 13th place team in the league. Creighton and Xavier are the only ones who haven't been to the final 4.

Keep telling yourself it's better. No one believes the NBE is better than the old one. It'll be a good conference but not great like the BE. The new additions (XU, Creighton, Butler) do not exceed nor even equal the gravitas that left or is leaving (UofL, CUSE, Pitt, WVU, UConn, UC).

Those 7 schools that are no longer part of the BE equal 8 national championships and 21 Final Fours in men's basketball only. The additions XU, Creighton, Butler have 1 Final Four between the three of them.

Xavier has owned Cincy the last dozen or so years.

Seriously. Like 8-4 in X's favor.

UConn owns half of the BB championships. Are they going to take those records away from us?

(03-20-2013 06:05 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 05:58 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 05:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:59 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Like we told you, we were here before you got here, we'll be here after you're gone. And now you're gone.

Don't like the message, shoot the messenger.
Nothing written was untrue. The NBE is a shell of the BE.
4-5 tourney berths likely versus 8-9 in the past.

Its better. It got rid of the schools who never had good years in basketball. And I imagine its pretty tough to recruit if your are the 13th place team in the league. Creighton and Xavier are the only ones who haven't been to the final 4.

Keep telling yourself it's better. No one believes the NBE is better than the old one. It'll be a good conference but not great like the BE. The new additions (XU, Creighton, Butler) do not exceed nor even equal the gravitas that left or is leaving (UofL, CUSE, Pitt, WVU, UConn, UC).

Those 7 schools that are no longer part of the BE equal 8 national championships and 21 Final Fours in men's basketball only. The additions XU, Creighton, Butler have 1 Final Four between the three of them.

Now that these 3 schools are in the Big East, their recruiting will go up substantially and they will be players on the national scene even morese than they have been in the past.

For Cincy, this realignment circus has been a double body blow. The C7 won't be playing Cincy, but crosstown rival Xavier will. Cincy goes to Memphis; Xavier now goes to Madison Square Garden.

The C-7 have been living off of UConn and Syracuse for a generation. It will be interesting to see if they'll succeed on their own. They might, or they might not.

I know the football schools should get 4-6 NCAA bids per year with UConn, Temple, Memphis, Cincinnati, and one or two other programs that will step up. That would be a better percentage of teams than the ACC.

So, Who gets Big East Homer ? LOL.

(03-20-2013 07:38 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I know the football schools should get 4-6 NCAA bids per year with UConn, Temple, Memphis, Cincinnati, and one or two other programs that will step up. That would be a better percentage of teams than the ACC.

Doesn't that indicate that there's something wrong with your math?

UConn has been to the tournament 8 of the last 10 years, 17 of the last 20.
Memphis has been 8 of the last 10, 13 of the last 20.
Temple has been 6 of the last 10, 14 of the last 20.
Cincinnati has been 5 of the last 10, 15 of the last 20.

Adding that up, over the last 20 years, those 4 missed the tournament 20 times. That's an average of 1 team missing every year.

I don't think everybody else combined closes that gap. You guys figure to be a 3-4 bid league.

(03-20-2013 07:57 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 07:38 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I know the football schools should get 4-6 NCAA bids per year with UConn, Temple, Memphis, Cincinnati, and one or two other programs that will step up. That would be a better percentage of teams than the ACC.

Doesn't that indicate that there's something wrong with your math?

UConn has been to the tournament 8 of the last 10 years, 17 of the last 20.
Memphis has been 8 of the last 10, 13 of the last 20.
Temple has been 6 of the last 10, 14 of the last 20.
Cincinnati has been 5 of the last 10, 15 of the last 20.

Adding that up, over the last 20 years, those 4 missed the tournament 20 times. That's an average of 1 team missing every year.

I don't think everybody else combined closes that gap. You guys figure to be a 3-4 bid league.

We'll get four easy.

And the ACC got four this year with more programs than we have.