Don't turn this into another WVU/UofL piss'n contest. WVU is happy, Louisville is happy. Right now neither will trade places so that is that.

The Big XII did what it had to do in 2011...now if/when the ACC doesn't implode and if the Big XII goes back to 12 schools the best choices are Cincinnati & BYU...

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(03-17-2013 08:45 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Congrats to Cards for their Football and Basketball Conference victories!

So much happened to the B12 that I think it became mentally exhausted and wanted to "catch its breath." The B12 made several good moves but it blew the decision on Louisville.

It basically was not a Big12 decision to pass on Louisville.....it was the TV networks that said no.

I get why the Big 12 said no to Louisville. And current success does not mean Louisville will always be this good either. In retrospect, it probably would still have been a useful add for a variety of reasons. I think the biggest reason it did not happen was how to get to 12. But let's be honest here, the Big 12 lives and dies with Texas. The rest really does not matter.

(03-17-2013 02:24 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 08:45 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Congrats to Cards for their Football and Basketball Conference victories!

So much happened to the B12 that I think it became mentally exhausted and wanted to "catch its breath." The B12 made several good moves but it blew the decision on Louisville.

It basically was not a Big12 decision to pass on Louisville.....it was the TV networks that said no.

He was saying the Big XII should have added both...the Big XII flirtation has been rumored to have actually help Louisville in the bid to get into the ACC...From a Louisville standpoint the battle with WVU & the input they got from the Big XII back in 2011 help them prepare in their talks with the ACC according to Tom Jurich.

But really, Louisville is happy to be in the ACC, WVU is happy in the Big XII and right now neither school would trade places with the other.

(03-17-2013 02:24 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 08:45 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Congrats to Cards for their Football and Basketball Conference victories!

So much happened to the B12 that I think it became mentally exhausted and wanted to "catch its breath." The B12 made several good moves but it blew the decision on Louisville.

It basically was not a Big12 decision to pass on Louisville.....it was the TV networks that said no.

In business, you invest in the future. Whatever tv numbers the tv people were using, my guess is they got them wrong. The dynamics were not considered. And there are other intangibles. Louisville football and basketball would probably boosted attendance in other B12 home games. And the NCAA bb money Louisville would generate. Finally, Louisville football, given the direction it is going, would probably generate BCS bowl money.

But, it is all over. If B12 does have the opportunity to pick up Louisville in the future for whatever reason, I hope the B12 doesn't screw up a second time.

Most in Louisville prefer the ACC, which was where we wanted to befor 2006, We are now in the promisel land with the ACC. We would have joined the Big 12, when West Virginia did if asked, however. Everybody wanted out of sinking Big East ship at that time. I think if the Big 12 and the ACC made the offer at the same time, that Louisville would have still chosen the ACC.

(03-17-2013 04:13 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Most in Louisville prefer the ACC, which was where we wanted to befor 2006, We are now in the promisel land with the ACC. We would have joined the Big 12, when West Virginia did if asked, however. Everybody wanted out of sinking Big East ship at that time. I think if the Big 12 and the ACC made the offer at the same time, that Louisville would have still chosen the ACC.

With Dr. Ramsey it would have been the ACC...as for the fans it for the most part would have been the ACC...easier travel, fantastic basketball and in Football the ability to play FSU, Miami, Clemson, Virginia Tech & Georgia Tech.

But the Big XII is a great league as well and in the end while you may have some more movement I am just of the opinion both leagues will still be @ the Big Boy Table.

(03-17-2013 08:45 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Congrats to Cards for their Football and Basketball Conference victories!

So much happened to the B12 that I think it became mentally exhausted and wanted to "catch its breath." The B12 made several good moves but it blew the decision on Louisville.

one season?? so what happens one year should determine what the big 12 does?? They will add teams when the teams add value to the conference ONLY.. Will Louisville and Cinci add value from the tv people to negoitiate the deal?? Prolly not

(03-17-2013 12:19 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I agree Dave. Look at the new core for the major revenue sports:

Football
Notre Dame
Florida State
Miami
Virginia Tech
North Carolina State
Clemson
Louisville
Pitt
Syracuse

Basketball
North Carolina
Duke
North Carolina State
Miami
Syracuse
Louisville
Notre Dame

(03-17-2013 02:24 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 08:45 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Congrats to Cards for their Football and Basketball Conference victories!

So much happened to the B12 that I think it became mentally exhausted and wanted to "catch its breath." The B12 made several good moves but it blew the decision on Louisville.

It basically was not a Big12 decision to pass on Louisville.....it was the TV networks that said no.

This is 100% right. The WVU/Lville call was not made by Bowlsby or Dodds. The networks told them who to add. If the networks would have said to go to 12 & would have made it worth it, the Big 12 would have added Lville and someone else with WVU and TCU.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Fox was now regretting not doing that very thing.

(03-17-2013 05:48 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 02:24 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 08:45 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Congrats to Cards for their Football and Basketball Conference victories!

So much happened to the B12 that I think it became mentally exhausted and wanted to "catch its breath." The B12 made several good moves but it blew the decision on Louisville.

It basically was not a Big12 decision to pass on Louisville.....it was the TV networks that said no.

This is 100% right. The WVU/Lville call was not made by Bowlsby or Dodds. The networks told them who to add. If the networks would have said to go to 12 & would have made it worth it, the Big 12 would have added Lville and someone else with WVU and TCU.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Fox was now regretting not doing that very thing.

That is just further evidence that realignment is being run by the networks as opposed to being orchestrated by the conferences themselves.
Didn't BC's president make a comment about ESPN telling the ACC they needed to invite Syracuse and Pitt?
It will be interesting to see if NBC can hold on to the Notre Dame contract.

(03-17-2013 04:13 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Most in Louisville prefer the ACC, which was where we wanted to befor 2006, We are now in the promisel land with the ACC. We would have joined the Big 12, when West Virginia did if asked, however. Everybody wanted out of sinking Big East ship at that time. I think if the Big 12 and the ACC made the offer at the same time, that Louisville would have still chosen the ACC.

Ain't that the truth...

(03-17-2013 05:48 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 02:24 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 08:45 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Congrats to Cards for their Football and Basketball Conference victories!

So much happened to the B12 that I think it became mentally exhausted and wanted to "catch its breath." The B12 made several good moves but it blew the decision on Louisville.

It basically was not a Big12 decision to pass on Louisville.....it was the TV networks that said no.

This is 100% right. The WVU/Lville call was not made by Bowlsby or Dodds. The networks told them who to add. If the networks would have said to go to 12 & would have made it worth it, the Big 12 would have added Lville and someone else with WVU and TCU.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Fox was now regretting not doing that very thing.

Is there a link to this, or is this your opinion. I have read in posts that the Big 12-2 had to have one team to get them to ten, but not anything that the networks told them to stay at 10 or what other teams to add to make 12. It just sounds like the conference leaders did not want to go further.

(03-17-2013 06:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 05:48 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 02:24 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 08:45 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Congrats to Cards for their Football and Basketball Conference victories!

So much happened to the B12 that I think it became mentally exhausted and wanted to "catch its breath." The B12 made several good moves but it blew the decision on Louisville.

It basically was not a Big12 decision to pass on Louisville.....it was the TV networks that said no.

This is 100% right. The WVU/Lville call was not made by Bowlsby or Dodds. The networks told them who to add. If the networks would have said to go to 12 & would have made it worth it, the Big 12 would have added Lville and someone else with WVU and TCU.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Fox was now regretting not doing that very thing.

That is just further evidence that realignment is being run by the networks as opposed to being orchestrated by the conferences themselves.
Didn't BC's president make a comment about ESPN telling the ACC they needed to invite Syracuse and Pitt?
It will be interesting to see if NBC can hold on to the Notre Dame contract.

It hasn't been mentioned much but do you remember when last summer Notre Dame was talking about renewing their television deal early? That talk has disappeared and it isn't as though their AD has been silent in the meantime.

(03-17-2013 05:48 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 02:24 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 08:45 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Congrats to Cards for their Football and Basketball Conference victories!

So much happened to the B12 that I think it became mentally exhausted and wanted to "catch its breath." The B12 made several good moves but it blew the decision on Louisville.

It basically was not a Big12 decision to pass on Louisville.....it was the TV networks that said no.

This is 100% right. The WVU/Lville call was not made by Bowlsby or Dodds. The networks told them who to add. If the networks would have said to go to 12 & would have made it worth it, the Big 12 would have added Lville and someone else with WVU and TCU.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Fox was now regretting not doing that very thing.

Big 12 voted to take UL. Fox said no. Big mistake.

(03-17-2013 04:13 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Most in Louisville prefer the ACC, which was where we wanted to befor 2006, We are now in the promisel land with the ACC. We would have joined the Big 12, when West Virginia did if asked, however.

Everybody wanted out of sinking Big East ship at that time.

I think if the Big 12 and the ACC made the offer at the same time, that Louisville would have still chosen the ACC.

The damage to the vessel was self inflicted. The sinking ship was sabotaged from within. If the eastern schools had wanted to keep an eastern conference alive, they had the means at their disposal to have done so and to still have made a lot of money.

It wasn't about the hybrid; it wasn't about the non-football schools. The pre-nup provided the out for that. If the all sports schools had wanted to stay together in an all sports conference, they could easily have done so. This was a circular firing squad with everyone pointing the finger of blame at someone else.

#1 overall seed in the NCAA Tournament for the second time in four years? Sugar Bowl victory over Florida? Top ten football and basketball teams returning next season? One of the best run athletic departments in the country? Yep someone's kicking themselves....

We're happy, the Big 12 is happy. Let it go, water under the bridge.

(03-18-2013 07:57 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  We're happy, the Big 12 is happy. Let it go, water under the bridge.

This...the true feel'n on this issue from Planet Red...2013 Sugar Bowl Champs....#1 Overall Seed in Men's Basketball...L1C4