No matter how you feel about Memphis moving onto Conference TBD in all-sports, it is water under the bridge at this point. It's over. Time to move on and move forward. I don't know why anyone would want to waste energy and time debating something that is not going to change.

(03-16-2013 01:06 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  The University of Memphis is completely & T totally 100% idiotic retarded & stupid if they really did turn down the opportunity to play in a premiere basketball league with the likes of Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, St Johns, Providence, Xavier, Butler and showcase the heart & soul if its athletic program year in & year out in the worlds most famous arena in the worlds most famous city. To stay with the types of schools & same type of conference that yields a team as the host city and cant even fill its lower bowl with the help of tiger fans driving 100's of miles away. But instead opt to remain with the same group of schools that has held them back for decades while others have passed us by. All in the name of a football program that has never been successful. Only to be blinded by the years of Deangelo & a powder puff schedule.

But hey, staying in a football league will get us more money...oh wait, ah shizzle, there goes that argument. If Bowen doesn't recant and go back & beg to be in the BigEast our boosters should fire his ass as fast as they hired him.
Go ahead football lovers. Pour your tar & feathers. Give me negative rep points. I don't give a shizzle. I love me some Tiger basketball, & the longer our asinine loser football program holds us back I will eventually grow to hate it. Today will be a national embarrassment for CUSA as CBS tries to hide an empty arena. We are about to join a league that us considering this same host city as a top candidate for expansion. How can all Tiger fans, boosters & administrators not see the clear freaking answer. I swear we are the Cubs of college basketball with our own historical stupidity. I literally feel like I'm in a twilight zone having to make these basic common sense points.

But I guess I'm stupid because I don't see the importance of a blood sucking football program. Somewhere along the line I must have missed when our football program proved it could win year in & year out in a mid major conference let alone in a BCS league. So hey, let's keep the football program going. Screw the program that has brought pride & joy to a city for 3/4 of a century now.

Obviously, you aren't watching the landscape of college sports enough. There is a widening gap between the schools that have high level football and those that don't. The day will be here when those that don't play football at a high level become pretty much irrelevant in the eyes of the media. It is about money and exposure. A new league as we are seeing on the horizon is still better than the C&/BE model that will roll out next year. Memphis needs to stay the course and double down on efforts to build/raise money. The next wave of expansion might see us land in an even better spot. That won't happen if we devalue football and go forward with the likes of DePaul, St. John, and Providence.

I understand the premise of the OP, but historically splitting up your revenue sports into separate conference has failed unless you are ND or BYU and have a separate FB TV deal.
Really this comes down to the fear Tiger fans have about increased emphasis on the football program, which they fear will cause the BB program to fall back. The reality is that his is possible, but otherwise we should shut it down and become Xavier or Butler. If that is the consensus, then I suppose we could, but I personally feel like there's enough history in Tiger football to justify the increased budgeting.

not sure what prompted the original post to begin with

(03-16-2013 08:20 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Creative...or not. Like I said. Bullies who hate people with a diverse opinion. You should reconsider that. There's a city of 1.5 million who never fill the liberty bowl even in the best years that backs up my reasoning. I've done my bleeding with the football program. Now it's time for basketball to take the steering wheel.

This, with your lack of understanding of what is going on with the University of Memphis Football program displays your ignorance and diminishes your credibility.

Enjoy watching Tiger basketball and Texas High School football. You clearly don't root for all things Memphis.

(03-16-2013 10:49 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:20 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Creative...or not. Like I said. Bullies who hate people with a diverse opinion. You should reconsider that. There's a city of 1.5 million who never fill the liberty bowl even in the best years that backs up my reasoning. I've done my bleeding with the football program. Now it's time for basketball to take the steering wheel.

This, with your lack of understanding of what is going on with the University of Memphis Football program displays your ignorance and diminishes your credibility.

Enjoy watching Tiger basketball and Texas High School football. You clearly don't root for all things Memphis.

there arent 1.5 million people in Memphis metro anyway.

The C7 is a bunch of schools in trouble circling the wagons. They are the past, not the future. Joining them would be a permanent commitment to irrelevance.

(03-16-2013 11:13 AM)Claw Wrote:  The C7 is a bunch of schools in trouble circling the wagons. They are the past, not the future. Joining them would be a permanent commitment to irrelevance.

yup

(03-16-2013 10:49 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:20 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Creative...or not. Like I said. Bullies who hate people with a diverse opinion. You should reconsider that. There's a city of 1.5 million who never fill the liberty bowl even in the best years that backs up my reasoning. I've done my bleeding with the football program. Now it's time for basketball to take the steering wheel.

This, with your lack of understanding of what is going on with the University of Memphis Football program displays your ignorance and diminishes your credibility.

Enjoy watching Tiger basketball and Texas High School football. You clearly don't root for all things Memphis.

Which was the only point I tried to make after reading his avatar info.

(03-16-2013 09:57 AM)JMSTiger Wrote:  No matter how you feel about Memphis moving onto Conference TBD in all-sports, it is water under the bridge at this point. It's over. Time to move on and move forward. I don't know why anyone would want to waste energy and time debating something that is not going to change.

Unfortunately you are right. On to the big dance!

(03-16-2013 08:35 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 02:55 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 01:53 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 01:42 AM)transitt Wrote:  You mean Cincy and Uconn who have been pouring money into....wait....football to make themselves more attractive to the ACC>

Great point, only Memphis isn't pouring money into football. You think a new practice facility or Tiger lane or a jumbo tron means we've arrived. Dude, I live 5 miles from a high school that puts more money into football (Allen, tx) than Memphis does. The funny thing is that Memphis says they want to be "bCS". So they sacrifice basketball for football and place us in mid major football leagues. But then never invest in football. Dude, BCS schools have 4 jumbo Trons, multiple facilities, invest $millions per month, not year. That ship has sailed tiger fans. It ain't coming back. But there's a docked ship waiting for basketball right now, & we are literally letting it sail away.

All I can say is, the day the University of Memphis gives up football is the day I stop watching college sports.. of any kind.

Personally, I think you are a little over the top tonight. I could counter almost everything in this post (such as, BCS schools do not have 4 jumbotrons - you are exaggerating to make your point), but it hardly seems worth the effort, since you don't seem to be open to the fact that you might be in error.

Actually, lots of programs are going to a multiple jumbo tron set up.

Multiple? yes. 4? The exception to the rule.

I'm one that believes that the basketball only schools are going to be relegated to 2nd class citizens. We and the other all sports schools may or not make the final cut..but thier die is cast. The big conferences may well break away from the NCAA and if they do I don't believe they are going to invite BB only schools along. The reason?..They hold all the cards and the reason anyone does anything, because they can.

(03-16-2013 01:06 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  The University of Memphis is completely & T totally 100% idiotic retarded & stupid if they really did turn down the opportunity to play in a premiere basketball league with the likes of Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, St Johns, Providence, Xavier, Butler and showcase the heart & soul if its athletic program year in & year out in the worlds most famous arena in the worlds most famous city. To stay with the types of schools & same type of conference that yields a team as the host city and cant even fill its lower bowl with the help of tiger fans driving 100's of miles away. But instead opt to remain with the same group of schools that has held them back for decades while others have passed us by. All in the name of a football program that has never been successful. Only to be blinded by the years of Deangelo & a powder puff schedule.

But hey, staying in a football league will get us more money...oh wait, ah shizzle, there goes that argument. If Bowen doesn't recant and go back & beg to be in the BigEast our boosters should fire his ass as fast as they hired him.

Go ahead football lovers. Pour your tar & feathers. Give me negative rep points. I don't give a shizzle. I love me some Tiger basketball, & the longer our asinine loser football program holds us back I will eventually grow to hate it. Today will be a national embarrassment for CUSA as CBS tries to hide an empty arena. We are about to join a league that us considering this same host city as a top candidate for expansion. How can all Tiger fans, boosters & administrators not see the clear freaking answer. I swear we are the Cubs of college basketball with our own historical stupidity. I literally feel like I'm in a twilight zone having to make these basic common sense points.

But I guess I'm stupid because I don't see the importance of a blood sucking football program. Somewhere along the line I must have missed when our football program proved it could win year in & year out in a mid major conference let alone in a BCS league. So hey, let's keep the football program going. Screw the program that has brought pride & joy to a city for 3/4 of a century now.

you should call yourself LittleDTiger because you can't see the big picture!

(03-16-2013 03:20 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  I'm one that believes that the basketball only schools are going to be relegated to 2nd class citizens. We and the other all sports schools may or not make the final cut..but thier die is cast. The big conferences may well break away from the NCAA and if they do I don't believe they are going to invite BB only schools along. The reason?..They hold all the cards and the reason anyone does anything, because they can.

The C7 is a bunch of schools in trouble circling the wagons. They are the past, not the future. Joining them would be a permanent commitment to irrelevance.

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These 2 comments are way off. The Big East before was a premier basketball only conference and it did just fine. They are traditionally considered the best conference in college basketball, and all the media drools over them and talks about how great they are and they usually have the most teams in the tournament.

That will change a little with Syracuse and Pitt leaving for the ACC. I don't think being in an elite basketball only conference would be the worst thing in the world, and I don't think the new Big East will be irrelevant.

Memphis does not and is not spending the kind of money that Louisville has, or Cincinatti on football. I do not know if it ever will. The other obstacle for the football program is that the majority of people in this city that watch/support college football are fans of SEC teams. The best chance for college kids to make it to the NFL and get seen on a weekly basis is by playing on a SEC team and I do not know how to compete against that.

Like JMS said it's water under the bridge at this point, so we have to play the hand we are dealt and make the best of it.

Here's a simple question for all you who know much more about all this than I:

Why is it that, when you state that the reason we're not on par with Louisville is because we haven't emphasized football, you ignore the fact that Louisville's basketball program is top 20 in profitable sports programs -- football, basketball or otherwise? Do you seriously think that if we had split the available resources we've had over the last 20 years between football and basketball more equitably toward football, we'd be in that league? That's just about inconceivable, but that's been stated here as gospel truth ad infinitum. The more likely outcome would have been that we'd be on par with Tulane in basketball.

(03-16-2013 03:55 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Here's a simple question for all you who know much more about all this than I:

Why is it that, when you state that the reason we're not on par with Louisville is because we haven't emphasized football, you ignore the fact that Louisville's basketball program is top 20 in profitable sports programs -- football, basketball or otherwise? Do you seriously think that if we had split the available resources we've had over the last 20 years between football and basketball more equitably toward football, we'd be in that league? That's just about inconceivable, but that's been stated here as gospel truth ad infinitum. The more likely outcome would have been that we'd be on par with Tulane in basketball.

No would we would at least be on par with Cincy if not higher.

Nobody has EVER talked about taking any money away from basketball, only ALSO pouring money into football. We can do both. Louisville does it. Florida does it. Ohio State does it, etc. We don't need to become world beaters in FB like we are in BB, just competitive with our peers while maintaining BB. Maybe winning a conference title now and then. Enough not to get overlooked if realignment kicks up again.

(03-16-2013 03:55 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Here's a simple question for all you who know much more about all this than I:

Why is it that, when you state that the reason we're not on par with Louisville is because we haven't emphasized football, you ignore the fact that Louisville's basketball program is top 20 in profitable sports programs -- football, basketball or otherwise? Do you seriously think that if we had split the available resources we've had over the last 20 years between football and basketball more equitably toward football, we'd be in that league? That's just about inconceivable, but that's been stated here as gospel truth ad infinitum. The more likely outcome would have been that we'd be on par with Tulane in basketball.

I'm going to answer this as if we had a Tom Jurich level AD for the past few decades. What a competent AD would have done is raised money not only by wining and dining billionaires but spending lots of time hobknobbing with the John Q Public type potential booster. If that had been done (and it could be...look at Louisville) there would have been money available for all sports.

There were a lot of perks received by Calipari that didn't affect his job one bit. RC coasted for the better part of a decade by saying "Yes John" to basically every question that was asked. Pastner has done away with many of these perks and is still landing top 5 classes.

We don't have to even worry about building stadiums or arenas.Smart money raising and smart spending will allow both programs to flourish.

(03-16-2013 03:55 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Here's a simple question for all you who know much more about all this than I:

Why is it that, when you state that the reason we're not on par with Louisville is because we haven't emphasized football, you ignore the fact that Louisville's basketball program is top 20 in profitable sports programs -- football, basketball or otherwise? Do you seriously think that if we had split the available resources we've had over the last 20 years between football and basketball more equitably toward football, we'd be in that league? That's just about inconceivable, but that's been stated here as gospel truth ad infinitum. The more likely outcome would have been that we'd be on par with Tulane in basketball.

Louisville made a commitment to their athletic department and football program. They have benefited, for years, from the windfall of money they've received because they were prepared to move to the Big East. We weren't.

Why is there even a disagreement over what happened here for the last 20 years? None of that matters now.

What does matter is that the leaders in the community and our administration finally decided that it was time to improve our overall athletic program...and football needed the most improvement.

Anyone who wants to walk away from our football program is welcomed to do so. The pieces are now in place and needed changes have already been made. The ship is turning and we are going to have a football program; of which, we can all be proud. It is going to happen. We've waited a long time, another season or two and it will have all been worth it.

Go watch high school football in TX and don't let the door hit you.

(03-16-2013 04:14 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 03:55 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Here's a simple question for all you who know much more about all this than I:

Why is it that, when you state that the reason we're not on par with Louisville is because we haven't emphasized football, you ignore the fact that Louisville's basketball program is top 20 in profitable sports programs -- football, basketball or otherwise? Do you seriously think that if we had split the available resources we've had over the last 20 years between football and basketball more equitably toward football, we'd be in that league? That's just about inconceivable, but that's been stated here as gospel truth ad infinitum. The more likely outcome would have been that we'd be on par with Tulane in basketball.

Louisville made a commitment to their athletic department and football program. They have benefited, for years, from the windfall of money they've received because they were prepared to move to the Big East. We weren't.

Why is there even a disagreement over what happened here for the last 20 years? None of that matters now.

What does matter is that the leaders in the community and our administration finally decided that it was time to improve our overall athletic program...and football needed the most improvement.

Anyone who wants to walk away from our football program is welcomed to do so. The pieces are now in place and needed changes have already been made. The ship is turning and we are going to have a football program; of which, we can all be proud. It is going to happen. We've waited a long time, another season or two and it will have all been worth it.

Go watch high school football in TX and don't let the door hit you.

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