(03-11-2013 11:13 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 11:12 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 11:09 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Wow, didn't realize Atlanta was so fouled up. When you elect people because of their looks or smile instead of the best people crap is going to happen. Lot of people in politics are just in it for themselves.

Wait. Wait. Wait. I have 2 words for you: Obama

FIFY

Obama is one word.

(03-11-2013 11:49 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 11:13 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 11:12 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 11:09 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Wow, didn't realize Atlanta was so fouled up. When you elect people because of their looks or smile instead of the best people crap is going to happen. Lot of people in politics are just in it for themselves.

Wait. Wait. Wait. I have 2 words for you: Barry Soetoro

FIFY

Obama is one word.

Sandy Springs privatized everything. And I mean EVERYTHING. Parks and rec, sanitation, street cleanup, YOU NAME IT.

(03-11-2013 11:44 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  Yet Atlanta still has massive traffic problems and has one of the longest average commutes in the country. Recent attempts to expand and institute additional routes and services were voted down by the suburban communities.

Yeah, they don't want a bunch of joy-riding criminals coming into their areas.

(03-11-2013 10:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:  So there is no that racism in the Confederate states huh? Guess they need to extend that voting rights law that the racist Scalia doesn't think is needed anymore.

Wow, now trying to get away from high taxes, corruption, and high crime is racist. If a race pimp or a liberal can't find racism, you'll invent it. I used to live in Kennesaw and work in Norcross. Never once did I pass signs going to either that said, "No minorities allowed". Hmm, did I just miss them?

I personally think it's racist for those idiots like you to suggest that all black people want to live in those situations. Growing up in Jackson, Ms., when we moved to Byram, both of my neighbors across the street (big lots, 3+ acres) were black. One was JSU-grad and engineer at Grand Gulf, the other was an educator, along with more around down the road. They didn't want their kids growing up in that sh*t Jackson had become either, you racist prick. Jackson is a cesspool to this day.

(03-11-2013 12:15 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 11:44 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  Yet Atlanta still has massive traffic problems and has one of the longest average commutes in the country. Recent attempts to expand and institute additional routes and services were voted down by the suburban communities.

Yeah, they don't want a bunch of joy-riding criminals coming into their areas.

Yet, I get slammed for telling the truth.

(03-11-2013 12:17 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 12:15 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 11:44 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  Yet Atlanta still has massive traffic problems and has one of the longest average commutes in the country. Recent attempts to expand and institute additional routes and services were voted down by the suburban communities.

Yeah, they don't want a bunch of joy-riding criminals coming into their areas.

Yet, I get slammed for telling the truth.

That is the truth. No one wants MARTA coming to the suburbs of connecting with Cobb transit because there is a huge criminal element that does nothing but ride the Gdamn public transit all day, get off, and rob, burglarize, or, in the case of one business man near the Buckhead-Marta station, murder. Has nothing to do with race. It's common Gdamn sense.

(03-11-2013 11:15 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 11:00 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  And on many measures Atlanta is a miserable place to live, mostly because of the suburbs shooting down everything that would improve the area (mostly transit)

I'm guessing this is seen as racially motivated as well?

Of course, if you don't give a group of people everything they want, it's a bad thing.

Let's see, who thinks like this? Oh yes, children. transistor thinks like a toddler.

(03-11-2013 09:53 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  These cities, after breaking away politically from urban Atlanta, have become so successful that a libertarian think tank, the Reason Foundation, has featured Sandy Springs as a model of effective government. The Economist has also applauded the northern Atlanta cities for solving the problem of unfunded government pension liability and avoiding the bankruptcy that looms over some urban areas. The new cities may soon be able to create their own school districts, which would free them even further from the issues besetting Atlanta.

While incorporation has been popular with residents of the new cities, not all of Atlanta is as satisfied. The Georgia Legislative Black Caucus filed a lawsuit in 2011 to dissolve the new cities, claiming they were a “super-white majority” and diluting the voting power of minorities.

A key leader in the black community and a driving force in support of the lawsuit, who wishes to remain anonymous, bemoaned the “disturbing tendency of black electorates to not elect the smartest and brightest, or even the cleverest.”

Nonetheless, he believes that there is a social contract between the northern and southern parts of the county.

“So when you allow powerful groups of citizens to opt out of a social contract, and form their own, it may benefit the group opting out, but it hurts the larger collective,” he said.

Classic example of pushing the providers too far. At one point, the people living in those suburbs where content with paying a considerable share of the taxes to run Atlanta, but when they see diminishing returns on their investment, they want to opt out. The recipients, incapable of providing for themselves, pull out the race card, because they have nothing left to stand on.

(03-11-2013 12:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 12:17 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 12:15 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 11:44 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  Yet Atlanta still has massive traffic problems and has one of the longest average commutes in the country. Recent attempts to expand and institute additional routes and services were voted down by the suburban communities.

Yeah, they don't want a bunch of joy-riding criminals coming into their areas.

Yet, I get slammed for telling the truth.

That is the truth. No one wants MARTA coming to the suburbs of connecting with Cobb transit because there is a huge criminal element that does nothing but ride the Gdamn public transit all day, get off, and rob, burglarize, or, in the case of one business man near the Buckhead-Marta station, murder. Has nothing to do with race. It's common Gdamn sense.

You can't even see the racism in your posts.

(03-11-2013 12:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 12:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 12:17 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 12:15 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 11:44 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  Yet Atlanta still has massive traffic problems and has one of the longest average commutes in the country. Recent attempts to expand and institute additional routes and services were voted down by the suburban communities.

Yeah, they don't want a bunch of joy-riding criminals coming into their areas.

Yet, I get slammed for telling the truth.

That is the truth. No one wants MARTA coming to the suburbs of connecting with Cobb transit because there is a huge criminal element that does nothing but ride the Gdamn public transit all day, get off, and rob, burglarize, or, in the case of one business man near the Buckhead-Marta station, murder. Has nothing to do with race. It's common Gdamn sense.

You can't even see the racism in your posts.

Wait, all black people commit murder, burglary, robbery, and joy ride on MARTA?

Oh, the irony in your dumb*** response.

1.) Atlanta is no where close to becoming Detroit. Detroit is a one trick pony town. Automobiles. They've had serious racial issues for over 40 years. So much that white flight is nearly half way across the state. Ann Arbor and Lansing is now considered "suburbs" of Detroit. The tax base no longer lives or works in Detroit. In Atlanta, the tax base may live in the suburbs but they work in the city of Atlanta. They need the infrastructure of the city of Atlanta. Suburban Detroit does not need inner city Detroit.

2.) This article is mostly about Dekalb and Clayton county which are only a very small part(in Dekalb) of Atlanta city. You can't blame Fulton for Dekalb and Clayton's problems.

3.)The people that are looking to break away and form their own cities still work and make their paycheck in Atlanta. So Atlanta is good enough to support their suburban lifestyle of 2 cars and a house but they want nothing to do with supporting the roads, rail, airports, stadiums and convention centers which help create that lifestyle?

4.) Those cities use to be in Milton county. Milton county went under and had to be saved by Fulton county (which was much wealthier), that's why the county is shaped so weirdly. Now that the tables have turned these cities want to break away? Ungrateful pieces of $h1+.

(03-11-2013 02:01 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  1.) Atlanta is no where close to becoming Detroit. Detroit is a one trick pony town. Automobiles. They've had serious racial issues for over 40 years. So much that white flight is nearly half way across the state. Ann Arbor and Lansing is now considered "suburbs" of Detroit. The tax base no longer lives or works in Detroit.

How about sticking to something you actually know about? This might be your dumbest statement ever, and that takes some doing. AA is not and never has been considered a suburb of Detroit and Lansing is far, far from Detroit. That may qualify as a suburb in your (fact-free) fevered mind but doesn't make it true in reality.

I'll let those who know about the Atlanta area through first hand knowledge comment on that. But your assertion is weapons-grade stupidity.

I love the underlying assumption that the tax base will long work in Atlanta. When this fligth started in Mo-Town the people still worked in the city to a large degree. Then the jobs eroded, that's how it works.

People leave for the burbs and then the jobs follow. What precisely is it about downtown Atlanta is there that can not be done from the burbs?

(03-11-2013 02:01 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  1.) Atlanta is no where close to becoming Detroit. Detroit is a one trick pony town. Automobiles. They've had serious racial issues for over 40 years. So much that white flight is nearly half way across the state. Ann Arbor and Lansing is now considered "suburbs" of Detroit. The tax base no longer lives or works in Detroit. In Atlanta, the tax base may live in the suburbs but they work in the city of Atlanta. They need the infrastructure of the city of Atlanta. Suburban Detroit does not need inner city Detroit.

Have to agree 100% with that first point. Since the early 1900s Detroit has only had automobile manufacturing and manufacturing support. The industry was so good to them, they didn't bother diversifying. Atlanta isn't in the same situation and I believe the best times haven't even happened for them yet.

(03-11-2013 02:55 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I love the underlying assumption that the tax base will long work in Atlanta. When this fligth started in Mo-Town the people still worked in the city to a large degree. Then the jobs eroded, that's how it works.

People leave for the burbs and then the jobs follow. What precisely is it about downtown Atlanta is there that can not be done from the burbs?

I think ignorant people like Firm are assuming all Atlanta suburbs are like Cumming or Woodstock. There are tons of jobs in Smyrna, Marietta, Roswell, etc. Not everyone in Atlanta works in one of it's limited skyscrapers.

(03-11-2013 02:55 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I love the underlying assumption that the tax base will long work in Atlanta. When this fligth started in Mo-Town the people still worked in the city to a large degree. Then the jobs eroded, that's how it works.

People leave for the burbs and then the jobs follow. What precisely is it about downtown Atlanta is there that can not be done from the burbs?

I just have to go off of the places I know, but I don't think most of the jobs will go to the suburbs unless the ITP community starts a serious slight out of the city. Of course the suburbs would have their own stuff but I don't know about large corporate relocation.

(03-11-2013 03:07 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 02:55 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I love the underlying assumption that the tax base will long work in Atlanta. When this fligth started in Mo-Town the people still worked in the city to a large degree. Then the jobs eroded, that's how it works.

People leave for the burbs and then the jobs follow. What precisely is it about downtown Atlanta is there that can not be done from the burbs?

I just have to go off of the places I know, but I don't think most of the jobs will go to the suburbs unless the ITP community starts a serious slight out of the city. Of course the suburbs would have their own stuff but I don't know about large corporate relocation.

Three words, Cary, North Carolina.

People (doesn't matter what race or ethnicity) that have the means will flee from ANY area that is viewed as crime ridden. Why would anyone that owns things - house, car, etc. want to live where the odds are greater that someone will try and steal their stuff or physically harm them...........

This is why so many urban areas across the country are in trouble - the powers that be (government) are unable to protect folks person/property. As soon as that is the perception - those with the means (money) leave town. What is left are those without means........recipe for urban decay.

People vote with their feet - the socialists would prefer to eliminate that freedom.........

I hate incompetent corrupt politicians of all races.