I posted this back so many months ago on here after Louisville and Rutgers got their invite to the Keg Party. To say the least, many on here if not most got a case of the indigestion looking at it and it's understandable, but when you look at how the nBE contract will likely end up and the miniscule amount it ends up being anyway, this scenario IMHO becomes more palatable.

The thinking was inline with TG's thoughts above.


Decent football
Decent basketball
Several large markets
Regional rivalries
National conference with "a regional flavor".

Whether you like the thought of it or not, when you think about the nBE offer from NBC with a possible side package with CBS, this scenario makes a little more sense IMHO. Why?

1. Lots of inventory.
2. Some games may have more of a national appeal (NBC deal) i.e. a Houston against a Cincinnati and provide exposure for the league nationally and others may have more of a regional appeal like a Southern Miss v Tulane (CBS deal). It also leaves many Tier 3 / 4 games out there for pickup locally.
3. The locality of teams in each region possibly make certain bowls more attainable and provide easier travel for fans.
4. Would most likely end up with several teams making the NCAA tournament in any given year.
5. Considers the Olympic sports and reduced travel expenses.
6. The regionality of it helps to foster rivalries.
7. In the event of future realignment moves, the conference could lose 4-6 teams and still be stable at 14-16 remaining.
8. Puts a conference footprint in 18 States, but nothing past OK/TX.

At any rate, was food for thought a few months back, figured I'd repost it. If adding any of those schools/markets maintained or improved the current offer from NBC/CBS due to potential audience reach and an increase in inventory, then again IMHO, it's not an over the top thought.

Don't put any of us in your terrible conference.

(02-20-2013 05:39 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Don't put any of us in your terrible conference.

(02-20-2013 10:43 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Looks like a new 1aa division.

I agree, and further concur that UCF is way too good at speed-printing diplomas to ever be in that conference. UCF spends more on toner than some of those schools do on sports.

(02-20-2013 09:57 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  We are gone and NEVER coming back. We will never be in any incarnation of CUSA EVER again.

What do you think you're in now?


Or are you talking name only?

(02-20-2013 05:52 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 10:43 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Looks like a new 1aa division.

I agree, and further concur that UCF is way too good at speed-printing diplomas to ever be in that conference. UCF spends more on toner than some of those schools do on sports.

You can create all sorts of sentences when you disregard reality

(02-20-2013 06:38 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 09:57 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  We are gone and NEVER coming back. We will never be in any incarnation of CUSA EVER again.

What do you think you're in now?

Or are you talking name only?

lol...so where does that put you? Or are you talking name only?

CUSA now has opportunities with ESPN and FOX. ESPN is simply not going to bid on Nbe because CUSA is always there.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=619519

(02-20-2013 07:47 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  CUSA now has opportunities with ESPN and FOX. ESPN is simply not going to bid on Nbe because CUSA is always there.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=619519

Assuming that is true---the logic applies equally to nBE and CUSA. If ESPN doesnt need nBE as it will just slide more existing inventory into its open spots--then it doesnt need CUSA inventory either.

The fact is TripleA said the source indicated ESPN will not match the offer. Nobody expected them to. McMurphy indicated that ESPN already has the high offer. The reason nBE preferred the NBC offer was exposure. ESPN cannot match the exposure level NBC can give the nBE (nor would ESPN want to match that level). However, as the current contract holder and final bidder, ESPN can do whatever they wish. I fully expect that ESPN will propose the purchase of a small package of games that fits thier needs and offers the nBE a little exposure on the ESPN family of networks. I could see a small 10-12 game package with 4 Friday nights and a handfull of saturday ESPN-U slots. Aresco has said all along he had no intention of selling the entire package to a single network.

If Aresco cannot strike a deal with ESPN, I suspect he will look to make a deal with Fox or CBS-Sports for the remaining tier-2 games NBC will not be using.

(02-20-2013 06:38 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 09:57 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  We are gone and NEVER coming back. We will never be in any incarnation of CUSA EVER again.

What do you think you're in now?


Or are you talking name only?

CUSA as it stands now starting in the fall and going forward.

(02-20-2013 05:52 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 10:43 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Looks like a new 1aa division.

I agree, and further concur that UCF is way too good at speed-printing diplomas to ever be in that conference. UCF spends more on toner than some of those schools do on sports.

They don't even sell the potent kind of weed you must be smoking here in Cali.

(02-20-2013 02:50 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Let’s just play this game of Cincy, UConn, and Navy gone to prove how any (more likely) scenario I can come up with will be more desirable than the garbage Tallgrass keeps throwing against the wall to see if it sticks.

There's the rub. The certain fans of prospective nBE schools - currently CUSA schools - that have decided to be vocal asses have had to crank up your creativity along with your volume and acrimony to drown out every new development. By contrast, while I don't know Tallgrass and I can't vouch for his play-by-play in the interim, what he keeps suggesting for how things will look when things settle within the next year or so lines up pretty much exactly with the information I have...and, for my part, this is from ex-BE, C7, prospective nBE, CUSA, and media sources.

I'm not confounded by how you view the name or the schools in CUSA. I'm confounded with the constant weaving and re-weaving of scenarios you can come up with that are more desirable to you than being...well, again, I don't know what your objecting to landing in: something called CUSA or something that has you playing Rice and UAB again (the latter school owning a 4-4 record against Houston in football in case you forgot...even to us, Houston was a "pencil it in" game until Watson Brown left destruction in his wake). Saying, "Screw CUSA!" is one thing, but taking the time to construct all these "desirable" scenarios to make yourself feel better and then pointing to them as your basis of derision towards certain people just smacks of desperation.

(02-20-2013 09:58 PM)blazr Wrote:  I'm not confounded by how you view the name or the schools in CUSA. I'm confounded with the constant weaving and re-weaving of scenarios you can come up with that are more desirable to you than being...well, again, I don't know what your objecting to landing in: something called CUSA or something that has you playing Rice and UAB again (the latter school owning a 4-4 record against Houston in football in case you forgot...even to us, Houston was a "pencil it in" game until Watson Brown left destruction in his wake). Saying, "Screw CUSA!" is one thing, but taking the time to construct all these "desirable" scenarios to make yourself feel better and then pointing to them as your basis of derision towards certain people just smacks of desperation.

PA Lease........... They are far from "desirable" scenarios the ones I mentioned are just what will likely happen. If I was spinning "desirable" scenarios I'd say we are on our way to the SEC or better yet the B10, or P12, or...... you get my point. I am objective. I have no desire to play in the MWC but realize they are a more likely landing spot than even a gutted ACC (go back and look in this thread).

Oh and by the way we have a 5-4 record against you, and those 5 wins are in the last six contests (4 in a row).

I am anti CUSA, born and bred, and have been for some time. If we had kept the 2003 version together and had a better brand (name) we could be having a totally different conversation.

UAB though very competitive in basketball is a joke in FB. Your all-time record is .456 with one bowl appearance (a loss) and zero conference or even division championships. But I digress........

Bias aside though my biggest beef with UAB is the lack of self control you have over your own athletic department. Big brother is holding all the strings. That would be like UT having oversight over our program.

Though no fault of the fans of UAB it is your biggest problem. You cannot grow until the cord has been cut.

As for Rice we tend to play down to them more than we should. Having said that we still hold a 28-11 record against them. I am on record as hoping we play them OOC going forward. It's an extra home game for us and with the rare exception a fun win.

I am on record as hoping Southern Miss is added to the BE, and would not be opposed to Tulsa joining us.

In essence cutting off the head of CUSA. They would be left with you, Marshall, Rice, UTEP, and all the newbies.

Combined between all of you (post SMiss/Tulsa if they left) and the newbies we hold an all-time record of 52-31-0 (77-58-0 w/Tulsa and SMiss).

CUSA is terrible, has been, and got considerably worse going forward.

Sorry that it is the situation you are in but it is what it is.

(02-20-2013 10:57 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  I am anti CUSA, born and bred, and have been for some time.

(02-20-2013 10:57 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Bias aside though my biggest beef with UAB is the lack of self control you have over your own athletic department. Big brother is holding all the strings. That would be like UT having oversight over our program.

(02-20-2013 10:57 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  I am on record as hoping Southern Miss is added to the BE, and would not be opposed to Tulsa joining us.
.....

CUSA is terrible, has been, and got considerably worse going forward.

All of this. The thought of returning to a CUSA or "Merliance East" consisting of UAB, Rice, Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, F_U and MTSU makes me want to .

(02-20-2013 09:03 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 05:52 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 10:43 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Looks like a new 1aa division.

I agree, and further concur that UCF is way too good at speed-printing diplomas to ever be in that conference. UCF spends more on toner than some of those schools do on sports.

They don't even sell the potent kind of weed you must be smoking here in Cali.

I'm not sure what the argument is. You've got 60,000 undergraduates. Do y'all sit around thinking, "man... when I get out of this place, I'm gonna get a sweet job... me and 59,999 other people"? How is that supposed to work? How can every single body in a town devoted to dressing up like Mickey Mouse end up with a job that justifies a college degree? I realize that some of you must move away after graduation... but 60,000 is too many. Simple inflation dictates that UCF degrees will rapidly become worthless. How many UCF resumes can an employer sift through before detetmining them to be essentially valueless?

(02-20-2013 09:58 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 02:50 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Let’s just play this game of Cincy, UConn, and Navy gone to prove how any (more likely) scenario I can come up with will be more desirable than the garbage Tallgrass keeps throwing against the wall to see if it sticks.

There's the rub. The certain fans of prospective nBE schools - currently CUSA schools - that have decided to be vocal asses have had to crank up your creativity along with your volume and acrimony to drown out every new development. By contrast, while I don't know Tallgrass and I can't vouch for his play-by-play in the interim, what he keeps suggesting for how things will look when things settle within the next year or so lines up pretty much exactly with the information I have...and, for my part, this is from ex-BE, C7, prospective nBE, CUSA, and media sources.

I'm not confounded by how you view the name or the schools in CUSA. I'm confounded with the constant weaving and re-weaving of scenarios you can come up with that are more desirable to you than being...well, again, I don't know what your objecting to landing in: something called CUSA or something that has you playing Rice and UAB again (the latter school owning a 4-4 record against Houston in football in case you forgot...even to us, Houston was a "pencil it in" game until Watson Brown left destruction in his wake). Saying, "Screw CUSA!" is one thing, but taking the time to construct all these "desirable" scenarios to make yourself feel better and then pointing to them as your basis of derision towards certain people just smacks of desperation.

To be fair, the reason we were a "pencil it in game" was because we had two Watson Brown hires in a row---Kim Helton and Dana Dimel--doing thier best to destroy the program. Helton was a true disaster. Dimel was over his head trying to clean up Heltons mess, but in hindsight, was actually a decent recruiter who might have eventually succeeded (but you dont get much rope after going 0-11). Its amazing how well we rebounded once we got solid coaches like Briles and Sumlin. Hopefully Levine will find his footing after his piss poor rookie year effort.

With respect to what you believe the final disposition of the non-AQ minions will be--who knows? I suspect that the strongest group of teams standing will be the MW. After any armegeddon senario, they will be able to pull anyone they want into thier conference. Whats left will organze into a couple of little regional conferences in the east. The MW will be the biggest non-AQ bully on the block--simply because they live in an area with just one predator conference and that one predator doesnt seem to be very hungry. A MW conference like that will have nothing to gain from teaming up with the remains--as it would do better on its own.

(02-20-2013 09:41 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  It appears Nbe fans are finally realizing today's realities and adjusting to it.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=619599

The Florida and Texas schools would neet to be spit up to avoid the problems that plagued the Southwest Conference. To draw national attention, there should be a 4-team playoff. The football divisional structure should be altered for basketball and Olympic sports to minimize travel costs and student time out of the classroom.

CUSA/NORTHEAST:
Temple/Marshall, ODU/Navy, ECU/Charlotte

CUSA/SOUTHEAST:
UCF/USF, UAB/Southern Miss, Middle Tennessee/LaTech

CUSA/GULF:
Tulane/Memphis, SMU/Houston, FIU/FAU

CUSA/SOUTHWEST:
Tulsa/Missouri State, UNT/Rice, UTSA/UTEP

As an SMU alum/fan, that conference has no appeal to me.

I'd much rather see the Big East schools coming to Dallas.

(02-21-2013 07:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  With respect to what you believe the final disposition of the non-AQ minions will be--who knows? I suspect that the strongest group of teams standing will be the MW. After any armegeddon senario, they will be able to pull anyone they want into thier conference. Whats left will organze into a couple of little regional conferences in the east. The MW will be the biggest non-AQ bully on the block--simply because they live in an area with just one predator conference and that one predator doesnt seem to be very hungry. A MW conference like that will have nothing to gain from teaming up with the remains--as it would do better on its own.

We're not the far off if you follow your reasoning a few steps farther. The MWC will be strong, but that much stronger than a collection of the Eastern schools that could be pulled together. On the other hand, as it's always been, the MWC will still have the handicap of "East Coast biased media" and Mountain Time Zone night games (the PAC gets to avoid that with their primo day/late-afternoon slots) and that will still cap the value they can get for media rights. Plus, even if the MWC were astronomically stronger it still couldn't pull USF, Temple, or the existing CUSA East. So there's your synergy: a strong group of schools in the West forming around the MWC (maybe AS the MWC, maybe not) and a strong group of schools in the East forming around CUSA (ditto the same point). Leverage a media deal and stage a champ game in football between the West and East winners...profit! Maybe even a basketball tournament staged in the Midwest that would be a HUGE draw, but pretty sure that would require having one conference with 2 divisions and the barrier there is requiring play in all other sports.

The idea of a 24 team conference makes absolutely no sense. Volume doesn't make up for quality.

They still broadcast only one game at a time. If. The teams don't have value, they're not worth even if you pull 100 of them together into a league.

(02-20-2013 07:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 06:38 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 09:57 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  We are gone and NEVER coming back. We will never be in any incarnation of CUSA EVER again.

What do you think you're in now?

Or are you talking name only?

lol...so where does that put you? Or are you talking name only?

We're in C-USA-a... You're in C-USA-b