vcu is losing by 17 to st louis.... just sayin

How did you get this built up in your head that FOX is going to somehow be passionate about VCU to care one way or the other? Your perception and the reality of what they are are significantly far apart. As we've seen many times on this board, their basketball pedigrees aren't significantly divergent. Hell, even this evening, Seth Davis was just Tweeting about not knowing if VCU has enough of an at-large résumé (go look - I promise I'm not Seth Davis)

If this were Memphis and football didn't exist, I think we'd be having a different conversation. Neither of those things are the case though

(02-19-2013 10:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 10:40 PM)Title Wrote:  What part of this is so hard for you to understand? I don't CARE who the 12 member of the conference is. It makes absolutely no difference to me. It simply wont be a public school program. On the rest, I honestly do not care what you want to hold onto. I think I made that abundantly clear. I'm 100% certain it's at least the equal of ol' boy in Milwaukee

There end of the day won't be a litmus test to get into this league. Fox will want the best basketball programs. PERIOD. Not the best private basketball programs. And, Fox has a whole lot of clout in that. $$$ talks.

Fox wants the best teams period, or you want the best teams period? You are not sitting in the Fox meetings.

(02-19-2013 10:19 PM)Title Wrote:  thegalen,

I'm sorry VCU isn't getting into this league. What do want us to say? I don't think anyone is being vindictive. It just isn't a fit. I'm sure the Rams will land on their feet somewhere.

Do we really have to go back and catalog you and your "source's" predictions and compare them to what's actually come out? You got real quiet around these parts after your last dumb*** promise went to hell. The best part is you're a Butler fan but think you've got some kind of inside line on what non-Butler schools are doing. Bottom line is there are things you don't even know you don't know about, so you may as well just let things ride. Not interested in your assurances becuase you just don't have the sources and it's obvious.

(02-19-2013 10:45 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  vcu is losing by 17 to st louis.... just sayin

SLU up 26 with less than 6 to play.

(02-19-2013 06:09 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 05:27 PM)Title Wrote:  I was specifically told last night that the 5 teams will be Butler, Xavier, Richmond, St Louis, and Dayton.....

If you are really entertaining further conversation about Creighton, Dayton appears to be the obvious one to feel nervous.

Like I said before, I'm not asking anyone to believe that. Its simply what I was told and I don't doubt it to be true

I'm not trying to say you are wrong, because I believe it is entirely possible you are right. But what that information tells me is that the C7 Presidents have enough power to control the decision, and that they are going to focus on non-basketball priorities. For instance, look at who would be a possible tournament team next year out of the new conference:

Near Definite (90%): Marquette, Georgetown, Butler
Pretty Good Chance (70%): St. John's, Xavier
Low Chance (30%): Villanova, Providence, Saint Louis
Very Low Chance (10%): DePaul, Seton Hall, Dayton, Richmond

Roughly speaking, I see about 5 bids from that group, but I think you easily see only 3 teams getting into the tournament from that group. Going forward, I would expect the league to trend down from that, with 3-4 good teams a year and a solid 7 teams that consistently underperform.

That league is not a power conference, and has very little chance of becoming a power conference in the future. Honestly, I think the MWC would be better than that conference, and the nBE would be about the same level even with schools like Tulane. The A-10 could become a competitor if Creighton and Wichita State join with VCU.

That may work for the terms of one media deal, but expect a much smaller deal 10 years down the road.

I don't know why you're projecting the future based on an analysis of this year, a single season. A bigger sample size makes more sense.

Once you include Butler and Xavier, it doesn't matter who else you put in the mix, the C7+ has advanced over 40 teams to the tournament over the past 10 years with 5 - 6 teams to the Final Four. That's a 4 - 5 bid league annually and with that number of teams in the Final 4, it's a power league by anyone's definition.

(02-19-2013 10:45 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  vcu is losing by 17 to st louis.... just sayin

Lol. With Poop Towel's leftovers. If y'all think a "lucky" final four doesn't matter but one good year of SLU basketball does, you're just beclowning yourselves. Uh oh, Butler also lost at SLU (by even more than VCU)! But that's different! Or something!

(02-19-2013 10:50 PM)Title Wrote:  How did you get this built up in your head that FOX is going to somehow be passionate about VCU to care one way or the other? Your perception and the reality of what they are are significantly far apart. As we've seen many times on this board, their basketball pedigrees aren't significantly divergent. Hell, even this evening, Seth Davis was just Tweeting about not knowing if VCU has enough of an at-large résumé (go look - I promise I'm not Seth Davis)

If this were Memphis and football didn't exist, I think we'd be having a different conversation. Neither of those things are the case though

Blah blah blah. It's about eyeballs and the map. Been over it a thousand times but your 10 team league is holding all the cards relative to Fox, right? Lol

(02-19-2013 10:50 PM)Title Wrote:  How did you get this built up in your head that FOX is going to somehow be passionate about VCU to care one way or the other? Your perception and the reality of what they are are significantly far apart. As we've seen many times on this board, their basketball pedigrees aren't significantly divergent. Hell, even this evening, Seth Davis was just Tweeting about not knowing if VCU has enough of an at-large résumé (go look - I promise I'm not Seth Davis)

If this were Memphis and football didn't exist, I think we'd be having a different conversation. Neither of those things are the case though

VCU just splits their last 4 games and they are a 9-10 seed at the worst. 23-8 regular season record in a tough conference and they're in.

If any eastern private school had VCU's basketball record over the last decade, they would be LOCK to get in. PERIOD.

@AndyGlockner: VCU not handling the first part of the gauntlet at all. Rams fans should start to get a little nervous. A profile built on rep mostly.


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Can we just move on to something relevant? There ARE going to be 12 members in this conference.

(02-19-2013 11:23 PM)Title Wrote:  @AndyGlockner: VCU not handling the first part of the gauntlet at all. Rams fans should start to get a little nervous. A profile built on rep mostly.


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Can we just move on to something relevant? There ARE going to be 12 members in this conference.

cool tweets dude! now I know who all those sources are you're always bragging about.
http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm

Would you like others? Basically anyone who makes a bracket was talking about VCU moving to bubble status tonight.

Of course none of that is relevant in the big picture. It was just brought up because this silly idea that VCU's performance has been something other than it has been.

That's not to say VCU hasn't played very well. And I don't see any reason to think they won't confine to do so in whatever conference situation they find themselves in.

Why are you getting upset? It's just not a fit. It's not a slight.

(02-19-2013 11:44 PM)Title Wrote:  Would you like others? Basically anyone who makes a bracket was talking about VCU moving to bubble status tonight.

Of course none of that is relevant in the big picture. It was just brought up because this silly idea that VCU's performance has been something other than it has been.

That's not to say VCU hasn't played very well. And I don't see any reason to think they won't confine to do so in whatever conference situation they find themselves in.

no, i wouldn't because this is dumb and off topic. give it a rest.

Exactly, VCU talk on this conference's board is entirely off topic. I will concede that point and rest.

gee Title, can you be any more of a condescending jerk? You don't have a clue if they're going to be in or not. You just don't so just stop.... And don't give me your sources...

And, I don't think based on losing to a near top 25 team a team that is an average 7-8 seed in the brackets goes to the bubble automatically. Definitely not on the wrong side of the bubble- just in that 9-10 seed range which is supposedly the bubble but very safely inside the bubble.

(02-19-2013 11:48 PM)Title Wrote:  Exactly, VCU talk on this conference's board is entirely off topic. I will concede that point and rest.

Then all Butler, Xavier, Creighton, etc. needs to stop as well, it's just as off topic as VCU.

(02-19-2013 10:56 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I don't know why you're projecting the future based on an analysis of this year, a single season. A bigger sample size makes more sense.

Once you include Butler and Xavier, it doesn't matter who else you put in the mix, the C7+ has advanced over 40 teams to the tournament over the past 10 years with 5 - 6 teams to the Final Four. That's a 4 - 5 bid league annually and with that number of teams in the Final 4, it's a power league by anyone's definition.

It is a gut feeling. My gut feeling is that 3 of the 7 schools leaving the broken Big East are probably going to be good, along with Butler and Xavier.

However, my gut feeling is that over half of the C7 are going to have a hard time winning games and getting into the tournament. Add Richmond, Saint Louis, and Dayton to that as well (double that for the "not a candidate" teams like Siena and Detroit).

If you have 5 strong teams and 7 teams that would be at the bottom of a power conference, you don't have a power conference. You have a slightly bigger MWC focused on the east coast instead of the west. To use a power conference analogy, the C7 would be the Big 12 without Kansas, but with five teams about where KState or Baylor are and seven TCUs and Texas Techs.

IMHO, this direction would make the C7 competitive with the A10, MWC, and nBE, not the power conferences. You have to take into account that this league doesn't have a blue blood type team, so it would have to offset top-end quality with quantity. You can argue that this league could be better than the SEC or Pac12 if those conferences had a down year, but the same argument applies to the other mid-major conferences.

If I had total control, I'd go with 10 teams (Butler + Xavier + Gonzaga/VCU/Creighton). If I had to go 12, I'd look at adding all of those teams over Richmond, Saint Louis, or Dayton. Only at 14+ would I add a team that doesn't have something basketball related that makes me say "wow." To me, the biggest issue is offsetting the teams in the C7 that haven't been strong lately.

(02-19-2013 11:48 PM)Title Wrote:  Exactly, VCU talk on this conference's board is entirely off topic. I will concede that point and rest.

Thank you! Let's keep it that way too, shall we? Next time you feel the urge to censor the conversation because your super elite sources fed you some dumb new line, keep it to yourself.

I hearby promise to not speak of your open enrollment, corespondent's school, with a Frosty in the greenhouse's chance of gaining membership again.

(02-20-2013 12:17 AM)Title Wrote:  I hearby promise to not speak of your open enrollment, corespondent's school, with a Frosty in the greenhouse's chance of gaining membership again.

Turn on your personal messages.