(01-19-2013 04:37 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:29 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  I am beginning to be torn by my feelings on Tulsa now. I respect the program and think it has some great fans. I have always thought it was a credit to our conference and it's academic standards were excellent, but the more I think of the remarks made by it's president, the more I wonder if he is just outside his university with that or if he is representative of it. I certainly can say he did cause me to think of Tulsa a little less highly. I hope the university sees fit to get rid of him.

Dr. Upham is VERY highly regarded in Tulsa. He retired last year but came back after the fiasco with the president TU hired. Dr. Upham has guided TU to new heights in regards to on campus facilities, academic achievements, fundraising, and much more.

TU would be foolish to get rid of him before he was ready to leave.

Ok but you realize his remarks were very unbecoming of one of his stature, and he insulted the other schools (which includes a school I went to and that has highly regarded programs) as if he were on some messageboard. I was very disappointed with his statement and his remarks were disrepective of one in his position. I am sure you are right in your statement of him, but honestly I don't see it in the remarks he made.

(01-19-2013 04:44 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:37 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:29 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  I am beginning to be torn by my feelings on Tulsa now. I respect the program and think it has some great fans. I have always thought it was a credit to our conference and it's academic standards were excellent, but the more I think of the remarks made by it's president, the more I wonder if he is just outside his university with that or if he is representative of it. I certainly can say he did cause me to think of Tulsa a little less highly. I hope the university sees fit to get rid of him.

Dr. Upham is VERY highly regarded in Tulsa. He retired last year but came back after the fiasco with the president TU hired. Dr. Upham has guided TU to new heights in regards to on campus facilities, academic achievements, fundraising, and much more.

TU would be foolish to get rid of him before he was ready to leave.

Ok but you realize his remarks were very unbecoming of one of his stature, and he insulted the other schools (which includes a school I went to and that has highly regarded programs) as if he were on some messageboard. I was very disappointed with his statement and his remarks were disrepective of one in his position. I am sure you are right in your statement of him, but honestly I don't see it in the remarks he made.

I'm sure he could have worded his response a little differently, but he is just trying to do what he feels is best for TU.

You are entitled to your opinion about Dr. Upham and The University of Tulsa though.

(01-19-2013 04:50 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:44 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:37 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:29 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  I am beginning to be torn by my feelings on Tulsa now. I respect the program and think it has some great fans. I have always thought it was a credit to our conference and it's academic standards were excellent, but the more I think of the remarks made by it's president, the more I wonder if he is just outside his university with that or if he is representative of it. I certainly can say he did cause me to think of Tulsa a little less highly. I hope the university sees fit to get rid of him.

Dr. Upham is VERY highly regarded in Tulsa. He retired last year but came back after the fiasco with the president TU hired. Dr. Upham has guided TU to new heights in regards to on campus facilities, academic achievements, fundraising, and much more.

TU would be foolish to get rid of him before he was ready to leave.

Ok but you realize his remarks were very unbecoming of one of his stature, and he insulted the other schools (which includes a school I went to and that has highly regarded programs) as if he were on some messageboard. I was very disappointed with his statement and his remarks were disrepective of one in his position. I am sure you are right in your statement of him, but honestly I don't see it in the remarks he made.

I'm sure he could have worded his response a little differently, but he is just trying to do what he feels is best for TU.

You are entitled to your opinion about Dr. Upham and The University of Tulsa though.

well I hope you read my statement and didn't take a part of it out of context thereby giving you the impression I don't respect Tulsa, because I stated the very opposite. As for the president, no matter how much Tulsa people try to compensate for his remarks, until he apologizes for them it doesn't matter since he seems to still be standing by them and those of us insulted by them can not take kindly to them. If Lucas (who is also filling in) said something like that and even though I respect and like him, I would be upset with him and state my disappointment in him. It just is bad business and certainly doesn't gain anything for the school.

(01-18-2013 05:22 PM)eco challenged Wrote:  

(01-18-2013 04:37 PM)Nice Guy Eddie Wrote:  I think Obama will ultimately decide the Division I conference breakdown by Executive Order...just like he thinks he can do with everything else.

Weak.

No.......Strong and funny.

I think Obama will ultimately decide the Division I conference breakdown by Executive Order...just like he thinks he can do with everything else.

Someone needs to stop the bleeding. As long as you made the statement I guess I should inform you that Obama has used the fewest executive orders of any President in the last 100 years. So that statement (I realize you meant it as a joke) is just not correct.

(01-19-2013 05:22 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  I think Obama will ultimately decide the Division I conference breakdown by Executive Order...just like he thinks he can do with everything else.

Someone needs to stop the bleeding. As long as you made the statement I guess I should inform you that Obama has used the fewest executive orders of any President in the last 100 years. So that statement (I realize you meant it as a joke) is just not correct.

you think that is going to help, don't you?

(01-19-2013 05:30 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 05:22 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  I think Obama will ultimately decide the Division I conference breakdown by Executive Order...just like he thinks he can do with everything else.

Someone needs to stop the bleeding. As long as you made the statement I guess I should inform you that Obama has used the fewest executive orders of any President in the last 100 years. So that statement (I realize you meant it as a joke) is just not correct.

you think that is going to help, don't you?

well I am a Southerner and I know how Southerners are.

(01-19-2013 05:33 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 05:30 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 05:22 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  I think Obama will ultimately decide the Division I conference breakdown by Executive Order...just like he thinks he can do with everything else.

Someone needs to stop the bleeding. As long as you made the statement I guess I should inform you that Obama has used the fewest executive orders of any President in the last 100 years. So that statement (I realize you meant it as a joke) is just not correct.

you think that is going to help, don't you?

well I am a Southerner and I know how Southerners are.

yeah. republicans.

shat. now I'm doing it.

You think Tulsa should fire their president cause he made a negative remark about CUSA? Really?!

(01-19-2013 05:48 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  You think Tulsa should fire their president cause he made a negative remark about CUSA? Really?!

He should at the very least apology for his unprofessional remarks. It is not good for his school, nor can anyone that has been to any of the schools in the conference (as I have) not feel insulted. He has to my knowlege made no apology and that makes it hard for those like me who find his statement offensive to view him in a positive manner. The statement was against the schools in the conference demeaning the academic standards and at USM we certainly have several well regarded academic studies so his statement not only was demeaning it lacked merit as well, and in the position he holds it speaks very poorly of him. If the school doesn't mind that he made the school look bad then that is their call, but if it Dr. Lucas saying that I for one would let him know he should have the respect for the school to at the very least amend his statement in less costic manner.

We should fire the president bc he rightly pointed out that losing Tulane and SMU is academically damaging to the conference?

Is it a secret that they are 2 of the top 3 ranked institutions in current CUSA?

(01-19-2013 06:53 PM)TUBballJunkie Wrote:  We should fire the president bc he rightly pointed out that losing Tulane and SMU is academically damaging to the conference?

Is it a secret that they are 2 of the top 3 ranked institutions in current CUSA?

Well I appreciate your standing up for him, but frankly he offended me as a Southern Miss grad and I would be more understanding of him if he would at the least restate it in a less insulting manner. I am proud of the education I got at USM and I am not going to take kindly to someone putting down on it. That is how I feel and it is sad because I do respect Tulsa and have always thought highly of them. I regret if it upsets you folks, but truth is with those like me he has done at least a little bit of damage to the way Tulsa is viewed and that is too bad because it is a great school.

(01-19-2013 04:37 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:29 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  I am beginning to be torn by my feelings on Tulsa now. I respect the program and think it has some great fans. I have always thought it was a credit to our conference and it's academic standards were excellent, but the more I think of the remarks made by it's president, the more I wonder if he is just outside his university with that or if he is representative of it. I certainly can say he did cause me to think of Tulsa a little less highly. I hope the university sees fit to get rid of him.

Dr. Upham is VERY highly regarded in Tulsa. He retired last year but came back after the fiasco with the president TU hired. Dr. Upham has guided TU to new heights in regards to on campus facilities, academic achievements, fundraising, and much more.

TU would be foolish to get rid of him before he was ready to leave.

it's bonkers to talk about getting rid of a guy because of a single interview that didn't use the n-word or confess allegiance to al quada.

but you guys have had almost as much drama in your administration as we have.

I didn't see Dr. Upham's remarks as being about any other school than Tulane and SMU. It would be damaging to any conference to lose two high academic schools like Tulane and SMU.

It doesn't upset me at all. I just think it's the everyone is a winner and deserves a trophy mentality. Or perhaps misguided insecurity.

Tulane and SMU are more highly regarded that Tulsa, too. I'm not insulted by it or offended if someone points out the fact. And I'm not insecure about it. It just IS.

(01-19-2013 08:17 PM)TUBballJunkie Wrote:  It doesn't upset me at all. I just think it's the everyone is a winner and deserves a trophy mentality. Or perhaps misguided insecurity.

Tulane and SMU are more highly regarded that Tulsa, too. I'm not insulted by it or offended if someone points out the fact. And I'm not insecure about it. It just IS.

well it is unfortunate he didn't word it better, and too bad he doesn't come out and clear it up. It still leaves me with a lower opinion of him for not making a revised statement, and that is too bad. His statement might have been meant as explained but the fact he said something along the lines (I don't want to go find the exact quote) that he didn't want to be in a conference that was academically reduced by the lose of the 2 schools. It is like saying I am going to leave your house because your wife doesn't look as good as I expect. Not a very smart thing to do, and then to not revise it to a more respectable statement, just adds injury to insult. I certainly understand Tulsa fans trying to defend him, but when the rubber meets the road, he turned off a number of folks with it and not trying to a more diplomatic wording, he just leaves them upset.

(01-19-2013 09:30 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 08:17 PM)TUBballJunkie Wrote:  It doesn't upset me at all. I just think it's the everyone is a winner and deserves a trophy mentality. Or perhaps misguided insecurity.

Tulane and SMU are more highly regarded that Tulsa, too. I'm not insulted by it or offended if someone points out the fact. And I'm not insecure about it. It just IS.

well it is unfortunate he didn't word it better, and too bad he doesn't come out and clear it up. It still leaves me with a lower opinion of him for not making a revised statement, and that is too bad. His statement might have been meant as explained but the fact he said something along the lines (I don't want to go find the exact quote) that he didn't want to be in a conference that was academically reduced by the lose of the 2 schools. It is like saying I am going to leave your house because your wife doesn't look as good as I expect. Not a very smart thing to do, and then to not revise it to a more respectable statement, just adds injury to insult. I certainly understand Tulsa fans trying to defend him, but when the rubber meets the road, he turned off a number of folks with it and not trying to a more diplomatic wording, he just leaves them upset.

I think this is a dead issue, sgt. I am a southern miss graduate, and while I was annoyed at the TU prez's comments, I didn't think they were aimed at us.

(01-18-2013 09:27 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  I doubt Tulsa stays if they get an invite. One thing to remember is that they don't have a lot of driveable games, one thing some schools like about the new C-USA. USM, on the other hand, has plenty of driveable games in C-USA. NBE will also likely put some funding mandates on schools, and I don't know about how either feels about those.

If Tulsa stays in CUSA they will likely play in Houston, Dallas (Denton), Ruston, Hattiesburg, San Antonio and El Paso. If they go to the nBe they will likely play in Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Memphis and Cincinnati. I do not see much difference in driving distance.

I don't think that Dr. Upham's comments were directed at the current CUSA schools.

The Sunbelt adders and other new additions were the ones that many in the current CUSA are scrambling to get away from because of their negative effect on the conference.

I was wondering why he didn't mention Rice, unless Rice has plans to drop a level in competition.

(01-20-2013 08:07 AM)TU 1978 Wrote:  I don't think that Dr. Upham's comments were directed at the current CUSA schools.

The Sunbelt adders and other new additions were the ones that many in the current CUSA are scrambling to get away from because of their negative effect on the conference.

I was wondering why he didn't mention Rice, unless Rice has plans to drop a level in competition.

Thanks for the warm welcome.