(12-26-2012 11:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:43 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:35 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  A quick look shows that during the same timeframe shows that Memphis's worst out of conference losseswere to #175 Massachussetts in 2009-10 and #41 UT during 2010-11. All other losses have been top 25 RPI.

What about the losses to SMU and Rice?

Your problem is always, always, always looking for the negative.

"Out of conference" was the topic of his post.

Hmm. Read the title of the thread back to me.

Thanks.

Which would mean losses are off topic too.

(12-26-2012 11:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:43 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:35 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  A quick look shows that during the same timeframe shows that Memphis's worst out of conference losseswere to #175 Massachussetts in 2009-10 and #41 UT during 2010-11. All other losses have been top 25 RPI.

What about the losses to SMU and Rice?

Your problem is always, always, always looking for the negative.

"Out of conference" was the topic of his post.

Hmm. Read the title of the thread back to me.

Thanks.

I don't know what to tell you man.

There is a difference between posts and threads. You quoted his post which referenced "out of conference" losses but you were so obsessed with bringing in two in conference games where the team underperformed, you couldn't focus on the topic of his post.

...and as MB states, your post wasn't even on the thread topic, which was "wins".

Sleep a little and maybe you'll have some vision to see good news for a change.

(12-27-2012 12:29 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:43 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:35 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  A quick look shows that during the same timeframe shows that Memphis's worst out of conference losseswere to #175 Massachussetts in 2009-10 and #41 UT during 2010-11. All other losses have been top 25 RPI.

What about the losses to SMU and Rice?

Your problem is always, always, always looking for the negative.

"Out of conference" was the topic of his post.

Hmm. Read the title of the thread back to me.

Thanks.

I don't know what to tell you man.

There is a difference between posts and threads. You quoted his post which referenced "out of conference" losses but you were so obsessed with bringing in two in conference games where the team underperformed, you couldn't focus on the topic of his post.

...and as MB states, your post wasn't even on the thread topic, which was "wins".

Sleep a little and maybe you'll have some vision to see good news for a change.

#salukigotsaloogied

Given the mess that he inherited i am not concerned. The few players that stayed made a point that first year to see just how far they could push things with the new coach. Same could be said with some of the local power brokers in the Memphis area basketball community. When he get some distance between his age and the age of the players he is coaching i think you will see some significant improvement.

(12-26-2012 11:29 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  The problem is Josh right now doesn't have the stroke to get many good teams to come here and play. We won't have Syracuse, Georgetown, Gonzaga or Cincinnati coming here. Hopefully we can keep playing Louisville in the future. I was against playing UT, Ole Miss and Ark but we may not have a choice anymore. This non con schedule really stinks.

Actually, MEMPHIS will be playing the bolded team next year as part of the Big East schedule. Throw in Villanova, Marquette, Notre Dame, Temple, and Connecticut as well.

Now, all of these teams will NOT be playing here next year, but about half of them will.

The non conference schedule should include Louisville after next year since Pitino stated he wants to continue the series.

(12-27-2012 08:59 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:29 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  The problem is Josh right now doesn't have the stroke to get many good teams to come here and play. We won't have Syracuse, Georgetown, Gonzaga or Cincinnati coming here. Hopefully we can keep playing Louisville in the future. I was against playing UT, Ole Miss and Ark but we may not have a choice anymore. This non con schedule really stinks.

Actually, MEMPHIS will be playing the bolded team next year as part of the Big East schedule. Throw in Villanova, Marquette, Notre Dame, Temple, and Connecticut as well.

Now, all of these teams will NOT be playing here next year, but about half of them will.

The non conference schedule should include Louisville after next year since Pitino stated he wants to continue the series.

One year maybe 2 at the most. I'm not believing we play any of those teams here until I see them. We will probably have to play them on the road if we do.

Here's what I'm worried about this season though:


Memphis not a lock. “@ferndog03: @ESPNLunardi C-USA 1 bid league or can they get 2 if someone other than Memphis wins conf?”

Time to cut bait with Pastner. He just cannot coach the players he recruits. The press conference he gave after the last game, he claims that the team must work hard and will be here without breaks. Then in the very next sentence he notes that they will have a "couple of days off" and he hopes they are working individually at that time. He obviously doesn't know what to do about his team.

It is not an age thing, do you think Shaka Smart would be struggling with "chemistry" and "team concept" issues with this bunch? Pastner's personality is not cut out for this type of program. After more than 3 years, Pastner is what he is as far as what he will be able to do in Memphis. He has given no reason to think that he will get better, he hasn't in over 3 years here. The people who are pining for him to get better are putting Pastner ahead of the program and the school. I refuse to do so. If Larry Finch of all people can get fired, Pastner sure as heck can be let go, and the program will be just fine.

Too many people on here are settling for mediocrity because they like Pastner's character and charm. But he is not the U of Memphis PR guy or some guy trying to date yor daughter. He's employed as the U of M basketball head coach who cannot coach top talent. Why are we wasting our time debating his future is beyond me.

(12-26-2012 10:56 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  For me the best win was @ UTEP 2 years ago to win the CUSA tournament.

Second was the Xavier game last year. I thought the win @ Gonzaga was good too.

I enjoy any win over UTK.

No matter how you slice it Josh needs to pick it up BUT it doesn't appear that he'll have an opportunity to do that this year until the NCAA tournament........

Precise, concise and exact!!!

Beating UTEP did multiple things for Josh and the program considering the state of the program at the time. We won CUSA in year 2 after Cal (automatic tourney birth), which set up the Arizona game. We went from a disastrous season to enormous hope for the future with the UTEP win and then challenging an Elite 8 team with mostly freshmen.

We were on a roll and needed the Xavier win for credibility. Much like the game with Xavier this year so late in the schedule (providing Xavier gets hot this year).

Joe Jackson almost single-handedly won that UTEP game.

(12-27-2012 11:05 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  Joe Jackson almost single-handedly won that UTEP game.

So we like him now?

(12-27-2012 09:23 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 08:59 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:29 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  The problem is Josh right now doesn't have the stroke to get many good teams to come here and play. We won't have Syracuse, Georgetown, Gonzaga or Cincinnati coming here. Hopefully we can keep playing Louisville in the future. I was against playing UT, Ole Miss and Ark but we may not have a choice anymore. This non con schedule really stinks.

Actually, MEMPHIS will be playing the bolded team next year as part of the Big East schedule. Throw in Villanova, Marquette, Notre Dame, Temple, and Connecticut as well.

Now, all of these teams will NOT be playing here next year, but about half of them will.

The non conference schedule should include Louisville after next year since Pitino stated he wants to continue the series.

One year maybe 2 at the most. I'm not believing we play any of those teams here until I see them. We will probably have to play them on the road if we do.

Here's what I'm worried about this season though:


Memphis not a lock. “@ferndog03: @ESPNLunardi C-USA 1 bid league or can they get 2 if someone other than Memphis wins conf?”

So you are assuming the worst in all things.

Shocking

(12-27-2012 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:05 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  Joe Jackson almost single-handedly won that UTEP game.

So we like him now?

Imo, he is being mishandled badly along with alot of the other players. The guy should be a top flight, reliable point guard by now.

And don't forget Joe also went something like 12-12 at the free throw line down the stretch against Xavier to seal that victory.

(12-27-2012 11:10 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:05 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  Joe Jackson almost single-handedly won that UTEP game.

So we like him now?

Imo, he is being mishandled badly along with alot of the other players. The guy should be a top flight, reliable point guard by now.

And don't forget Joe also went something like 12-12 at the free throw line down the stretch against Xavier to seal that victory.

I just don't think he's a true pure PG.

Not that he cant be a good one at times, but not a pure one at all.

(12-27-2012 11:13 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:10 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:05 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  Joe Jackson almost single-handedly won that UTEP game.

So we like him now?

Imo, he is being mishandled badly along with alot of the other players. The guy should be a top flight, reliable point guard by now.

And don't forget Joe also went something like 12-12 at the free throw line down the stretch against Xavier to seal that victory.

I just don't think he's a true pure PG.

Not that he cant be a good one at times, but not a pure one at all.

Whose falut is that? This team hasn't had a TRUE pg since Kemp. And isn't recruiting one either. Pookie (scoring 25+ppg isn't a TRUE pg either).


Unless he is going after Chiozza, Memphis will have had a SG playing PG for at least 5 straight years.

(12-27-2012 11:15 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:13 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:10 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:05 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  Joe Jackson almost single-handedly won that UTEP game.

So we like him now?

Imo, he is being mishandled badly along with alot of the other players. The guy should be a top flight, reliable point guard by now.

And don't forget Joe also went something like 12-12 at the free throw line down the stretch against Xavier to seal that victory.

I just don't think he's a true pure PG.

Not that he cant be a good one at times, but not a pure one at all.

Whose falut is that? This team hasn't had a TRUE pg since Kemp. And isn't recruiting one either. Pookie (scoring 25+ppg isn't a TRUE pg either).


Unless he is going after Chiozza, Memphis will have had a SG playing PG for at least 5 straight years.

He sure gets a lot of assists for someone who isn't a point guard. Basically I think some folks freaked out over one bad half vs VCU. Including the coach.

I think JJ could be a great PG before its all over with. Most college PGs have their ups and downs and dont really " get it" until some time in their junior season, lets see how JJ and this team finishes out this year.

(12-27-2012 11:15 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:13 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:10 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:05 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  Joe Jackson almost single-handedly won that UTEP game.

So we like him now?

Imo, he is being mishandled badly along with alot of the other players. The guy should be a top flight, reliable point guard by now.

And don't forget Joe also went something like 12-12 at the free throw line down the stretch against Xavier to seal that victory.

I just don't think he's a true pure PG.

Not that he cant be a good one at times, but not a pure one at all.

Whose falut is that? This team hasn't had a TRUE pg since Kemp. And isn't recruiting one either. Pookie (scoring 25+ppg isn't a TRUE pg either).


Unless he is going after Chiozza, Memphis will have had a SG playing PG for at least 5 straight years.

If its anyone's "fault" its Joe Jackson's. He the one out there playing.

I don't think its anyone's "fault". He just isn't that guy. He's more of a scorer.

(12-27-2012 11:18 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:15 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:13 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:10 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  So we like him now?

Imo, he is being mishandled badly along with alot of the other players. The guy should be a top flight, reliable point guard by now.

And don't forget Joe also went something like 12-12 at the free throw line down the stretch against Xavier to seal that victory.

I just don't think he's a true pure PG.

Not that he cant be a good one at times, but not a pure one at all.

Whose falut is that? This team hasn't had a TRUE pg since Kemp. And isn't recruiting one either. Pookie (scoring 25+ppg isn't a TRUE pg either).


Unless he is going after Chiozza, Memphis will have had a SG playing PG for at least 5 straight years.

He sure gets a lot of assists for someone who isn't a point guard. Basically I think some folks freaked out over one bad half vs VCU. Including the coach.

Yes he does. But he don't handle the press well at times and way over dribbles.

That being said, he's still doing a pretty good job this year.

I think you are twisting what is being said. He can play the point and does quite well at times.

(12-27-2012 11:19 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:15 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:13 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:10 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  So we like him now?

Imo, he is being mishandled badly along with alot of the other players. The guy should be a top flight, reliable point guard by now.

And don't forget Joe also went something like 12-12 at the free throw line down the stretch against Xavier to seal that victory.

I just don't think he's a true pure PG.

Not that he cant be a good one at times, but not a pure one at all.

Whose falut is that? This team hasn't had a TRUE pg since Kemp. And isn't recruiting one either. Pookie (scoring 25+ppg isn't a TRUE pg either).


Unless he is going after Chiozza, Memphis will have had a SG playing PG for at least 5 straight years.

If its anyone.s "fault" its Joe Jackson's. He the one out there playing.

I don't think its anyone's "fault". He just isn't that guy. He's more of a scorer.

So it's no ones fault? Joe is just playing the wrong position. How, umm, does he play that position? Do he and the four other guys just play RPS to figure out who plays where, OR does the staff identify particular positions they want guys to play?

If, in fact, the staff has decided on where to play people and the position in which the people playing isn't successful, then the staff should be doing something differently.

So, again, it IS somebodys fault.

(12-27-2012 11:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:19 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:15 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:13 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:10 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  Imo, he is being mishandled badly along with alot of the other players. The guy should be a top flight, reliable point guard by now.

And don't forget Joe also went something like 12-12 at the free throw line down the stretch against Xavier to seal that victory.

I just don't think he's a true pure PG.

Not that he cant be a good one at times, but not a pure one at all.

Whose falut is that? This team hasn't had a TRUE pg since Kemp. And isn't recruiting one either. Pookie (scoring 25+ppg isn't a TRUE pg either).


Unless he is going after Chiozza, Memphis will have had a SG playing PG for at least 5 straight years.

If its anyone.s "fault" its Joe Jackson's. He the one out there playing.

I don't think its anyone's "fault". He just isn't that guy. He's more of a scorer.

So it's no ones fault? Joe is just playing the wrong position. How, umm, does he play that position? Do he and the four other guys just play RPS to figure out who plays where, OR does the staff identify particular positions they want guys to play?

If, in fact, the staff has decided on where to play people and the position in which the people playing isn't successful, then the staff should be doing something differently.

So, again, it IS somebodys fault.

But he HAS been successful at playing the point. He's just not a natural, pure PG. But he is the best option we have unless Geron takes over there.

CJP is also trying to give Joe a career after college and he only can by being a PG at the next level.

Its just not as black and white as you are trying to paint it for the sake of blaming CJP and the staff.