...... they just suggested that TSA is the answer to violence in schools.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...e-tsa.html

If you're a NRA member ... burn your membership credentials and join GOA (Gun Owners of America) ... the ONLY pro gun lobby.

Just a note: Nearly 25 percent of the TSA workforce is a veteran or active duty reserve member of the U.S. Armed Forces.

And please tell me you aren't also one of the nutjobs wanting armed teachers!

And of course you seem to have this vendetta lately against the police.

So I guess I'm left wondering who on earth it is you want to safeguard our children while in school?

So tom... we can trust teachers to shape and mold the leaders of tomorrow but not to carry a firearm?

(12-21-2012 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just a note: Nearly 25 percent of the TSA workforce is a veteran or active duty reserve member of the U.S. Armed Forces.

So >75% aren't

Quote:And please tell me you aren't also one of the nutjobs wanting armed teachers!

Lame try to frame the debate. Try some facts first.

Quote:And of course you seem to have this vendetta lately against the police.

Ah, you don't like facts.

Quote:So I guess I'm left wondering who on earth it is you want to safeguard our children while in school?

Can't speak for anyone else, but my thought is people should take personal responsibility. I know, libs hate that.

(12-21-2012 01:46 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just a note: Nearly 25 percent of the TSA workforce is a veteran or active duty reserve member of the U.S. Armed Forces.

So >75% aren't

Quote:And please tell me you aren't also one of the nutjobs wanting armed teachers!

Lame try to frame the debate. Try some facts first.

Quote:And of course you seem to have this vendetta lately against the police.

Ah, you don't like facts.

Quote:So I guess I'm left wondering who on earth it is you want to safeguard our children while in school?

Can't speak for anyone else, but my thought is people should take personal responsibility. I know, libs hate that.

It could be worse. At least the NRA didn't call for T and A at schools, and churches.

Everyone should be armed. I want fully automatic weapons and a shoulder-fired missile.

(12-21-2012 02:08 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Everyone should be armed. I want fully automatic weapons and a shoulder-fired missile.

Frankly, I feel that anyone who owns a gun is suffering from a psychological feeling of inadequacy and therefore are compensating.

The bigger the gun or the larger the arsenal, the smaller your member must be.

(12-21-2012 01:42 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  So tom... we can trust teachers to shape and mold the leaders of tomorrow but not to carry a firearm?

Trust has zero to do with it.

Rebel seems fully trained in weaponry. Would you really want him teaching your children in subjects not based on that weaponry?

Many currently bemoan that our teachers aren't qualified enough just to be teachers...and now some want them trained in weaponry and defense against criminals using that weaponry.

If you can't see that being a recipe for disaster, you're ******* clueless...sorry.

(12-21-2012 02:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 01:42 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  So tom... we can trust teachers to shape and mold the leaders of tomorrow but not to carry a firearm?

Trust has zero to do with it.

Rebel seems fully trained in weaponry. Would you really want him teaching your children in subjects not based on that weaponry?

Many currently bemoan that our teachers aren't qualified enough just to be teachers...and now some want them trained in weaponry and defense against criminals using that weaponry.

If you can't see that being a recipe for disaster, you're ******* clueless...sorry.

As I said the other day:

Find one or two teachers at each wing, make them go through training, and arm them. Some will say, "but what if the teacher goes on a rampage?" To that I say, A) when's the last time that ever happened, and B ) what prevents him/her from doing it now? We know the alternative to teachers NOT being armed now, don't we?

If you don't do something like this, get used to it and stop bitching because people hellbent on this are ALWAYS going to go after soft targets.

(12-21-2012 02:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  anyone who owns a gun is suffering from a psychological feeling of inadequacy and therefore are compensating.

The bigger the gun or the larger the arsenal, the smaller your member must be.

How does that theory apply to female gun-owners?

(12-21-2012 02:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:08 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Everyone should be armed. I want fully automatic weapons and a shoulder-fired missile.

Frankly, I feel that anyone who owns a gun is suffering from a psychological feeling of inadequacy and therefore are compensating.

The bigger the gun or the larger the arsenal, the smaller your member must be.

Haha. So if I have a gun and you don't, who again is inadequate?

(12-21-2012 02:49 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 01:42 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  So tom... we can trust teachers to shape and mold the leaders of tomorrow but not to carry a firearm?

Trust has zero to do with it.

Rebel seems fully trained in weaponry. Would you really want him teaching your children in subjects not based on that weaponry?

Many currently bemoan that our teachers aren't qualified enough just to be teachers...and now some want them trained in weaponry and defense against criminals using that weaponry.

If you can't see that being a recipe for disaster, you're ******* clueless...sorry.

As I said the other day:

Find one or two teachers at each wing, make them go through training, and arm them. Some will say, "but what if the teacher goes on a rampage?" To that I say, A) when's the last time that ever happened, and B ) what prevents him/her from doing it now? We know the alternative to teachers NOT being armed now, don't we?

If you don't do something like this, get used to it and stop bitching because people hellbent on this are ALWAYS going to go after soft targets.

If you're going to have armed protection at schools, I would rather they just be individuals with that type of background and training.

That being said, there was an armed guard on duty at Columbine High School....

(12-21-2012 03:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If you're going to have armed protection at schools, I would rather they just be individuals with that type of background and training.

+1

And I think that is what is going to happen from now on.

Quote:That being said, there was an armed guard on duty at Columbine High School....

I didn't know that. I'd be curious to know the specific actions of that person throughout the ordeal.

Anyway, in this day and age, it may be that one such person on campus is just not enough.

(12-21-2012 02:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:08 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Everyone should be armed. I want fully automatic weapons and a shoulder-fired missile.

Frankly, I feel that anyone who owns a gun is suffering from a psychological feeling of inadequacy and therefore are compensating.

The bigger the gun or the larger the arsenal, the smaller your member must be.

You don't recognize that individuals have a need for self-defense? I'm a former prosecutor and currently an attorney with my state's child protective services. I've put people in prison and taken kids from crazy, horrible parents. There are likely many people out there who would want to harm me for my career. I have no criminal history and don't even have a speeding ticket on my record. I was authorized to carry a firearm on duty as a prosecutor after completing a state law enforcement standard firearms course which tested my ability to quick draw and shoot accurately. I have my civilian concealed carry permit and I fairly regularly practice shooting to keep up my accuracy. Am I crazy for owning a couple pistols and a shotgun? Why should I be denied the means to defend myself and my family? What about for hunting?

Have you ever held a gun? It's just a tool, an inanimate object. I imagine there are more gun owners who are like me than there are who are crazy.

All I know is that no matter what kind of gun he had, there was nothing inside that building that could have stopped him, except what he carried in with him.

Banning this and that will do nothing to alter the above statement which applies to every school.

(12-21-2012 02:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  anyone who owns a gun is suffering from a psychological feeling of inadequacy and therefore are compensating.

The bigger the gun or the larger the arsenal, the smaller your member must be.

How does that theory apply to female gun-owners?

No implants?

(12-21-2012 07:04 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 03:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That being said, there was an armed guard on duty at Columbine High School....

I didn't know that. I'd be curious to know the specific actions of that person throughout the ordeal.

Anyway, in this day and age, it may be that one such person on campus is just not enough.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbi...S_TEXT.htm

There were also armed folks at the Gabby Giffords shooting and remember the Holocaust Museum shooting? A guard was shot first and later died. And the gunman was 88. Yes, he was eventually killed by more guards, but this guy only had a .22 caliber rifle, not a semi-automatic gun with a high capacity magazine or drum.

The point is where do you stop? The only way to truly prevent this is a guard at every entrance decked out in body armor like a SWAT team member or a marine. Is this really the country we want to live in? And you can't stop at schools. You will need them at shopping malls, movie theaters and on and on.

(12-22-2012 09:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Is this really the country we want to live in? And you can't stop at schools. You will need them at shopping malls, movie theaters and on and on.

What, where people are actually able to protect themselves with the tools necessary? Absolutely.

(12-22-2012 11:06 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Is this really the country we want to live in? And you can't stop at schools. You will need them at shopping malls, movie theaters and on and on.

What, where people are actually able to protect themselves with the tools necessary? Absolutely.

Wow...now THERE is some selective reading!